Who cherishes the men in this world in the age of equality, (married folks excepted)?

grahamg

Old codger
It occurs to me that a great many men in this world probably aren't being cherished by anyone in the world today, with divorce rates so high, and unlikely to fall far when countries like the UK have recently slackened divorce laws even further.

You could argue the same applies to women, yet some wise and knowledgeable women have told me that women in general tend to cope much better following relationship breakdown, (they're better able to network or pour out their feelings I'm told).

Just for my critics I'll throw in how many men get excluded from their children's lives, so little opportunity for your finer qualities to get recognised and appreciated there!

I don't think I'm pretending "men are the victims" (or at least not unfairly), and yes it is very true many men probably are treated just as they deserve by their former partners, maybe even their kids, (though its a moot point for me!), and "the system" has to some extent, be designed to cope with errant dads who'll try to make a mockery if everything, or haven't truly grown up perhaps(?)!

Still my view though that breaking down barriers and old taboos, (like making divorce, and unfaithfulness so acceptable nowadays), that men probably aren't being cherished as much as in former times, when roles were more clearly defined etc. :(
 

Men don't have a corner on the market when it comes jerks and A-Holes. I doubt that anyone who has such a spouse really cherishes them or wants the kids exposed to them. There are unfortunate victims on both sides of the divide. Men who display lack of respect for the women in their lives can hardly expect to be treated with respect in return and vice versa. The way I hear many men - and women - refer to the S/O's in their lives really makes me wonder if they really care obout their spouses - or if pairing is something they do because society expects it of them.
 

It's hard to generalize when you're talking about men and women. Everyone's different. There are some really good men and women out there in the billions of people in this world. But it's like finding a needle in a haystack, a little difficult the older you get.
It may well be getting harder to find someone we might feel we're compatible with, and who might accept us for all our foibles, (as we can manage for them in return), but if the next generation are being taught "self interest is what matters or should matter", its hard to see things getting better in future!!
 
Most of the guys I grew up with are tremendous idiots, just under the surface. Not exactly exempting myself either. The realms of stupidity I have engaged are endless.

Oh...here's a good one. Hiking in the Badlands. Basically no experience whatsoever. As I am about to enter the trail, there is a rattler on the side of the road, about 2 feet from me, up and rattling. Rattling means they are angry and about to strike.

Being the genius I am...that was not warning enough...and I hiked in anyway. Encountered that guy's best friend, sunning himself near a prairie dog lodge. As one might predict, we did not bond over beer and a football game. I recall screaming.... very loudly.

Second encounter, within an hour. Reasoned decision? Oh, let me just spend the night here.

Just a miracle I am still alive.
 
I'm sorry to say that I'm generally disappointed in men. I'm not a lesbian, but I admire the nature of women. They have to endure far more than men, and have much greater responsibilities.
I think the reason why women are treated as inferior is quite simply because men are aware of how powerful women really are, and they want to keep them subjugated.
 
I'm sorry to say that I'm generally disappointed in men. I'm not a lesbian, but I admire the nature of women. They have to endure far more than men, and have much greater responsibilities.
I think the reason why women are treated as inferior is quite simply because men are aware of how powerful women really are, and they want to keep them subjugated.
If you lived in this country you'd maybe reconsider whether or not it is us men having the upper hand, or been married to someone like my "warrior wife", (- her description of herself, the inference being I was a " peasant"- not a term I'm unhappy with these days, though if pushed a fighting spirit is still to be found, under all the apologising for myself I've grown up to use so often!).
 
Why do female spiders murder their mates after the wedding night?

- They are trying to stop the snoring before it starts...
As a contrast you could look at the behaviour of honey bees, living in vast colonies with just one queen paying all the eggs etc., (most harmonious you'd have to say and no worries about snoring some of us suffer from "a little"!).
 
I cherish all decent men, just not the jerks and a-holes. The good ones are worth their weight in the rarest of metals.
You'd be interested in a bit of research backing up your views, (btw I see it rather differently but that's just me!):

Quote:
"What makes a woman cherish a man?
Women cherish smart men who are confident in what they are doing, and who have some interests and hobbies. In addition, women adore men who do what they promise to do. They need to be sure that they can count on their man. Women admire men who take responsibility for their actions."

On the other hand, (quote):
"Who loves harder men or women"?

Answer "Men"

"This is backed up by Marissa Harrison, a psychologist from Pennsylvania State University who thinks that women are much more cautious when it comes to love, while men tend to fall in love harder and faster. Studies show that a man's requirements to fall in love are significantly less stringent than those of a woman."

A second source:
"Reader's Digest claim that men fall in love faster than women, and men are 48% more likely to fall in love at first sight. Men wait just 88 days to utter the 'L' word to their significant other, whereas women wait almost double the amount of time (132 days)."

More stuff here:
https://www.lifehack.org/articles/c...that-youre-highly-cherished-relationship.html
 
Back on track, this is much less controversial, and really heartwarming stuff:
https://www.deseret.com/1992/10/18/...-of-love-must-be-cultivated-and-renewed-daily

Quote:
"Cherishing. The word even has the sound of tenderness, of holding dear, of warmth toward another coming from the soul.

Cherishing is first of all love, but one can love without cherishing. Cherishing is an exalted form of love, the highest, noblest, strongest feeling one person can have for another. Cherishing is a love for the other that has come to maturity, to fruition. It is a bonding not only of the physical, but of spiritual, emotional and intellectual dimensions shared in common with the other. Cherishing requires the sharing of time and space together, and a seasoning of the relationship as it is cultivated, renewed and celebrated daily.

One who cherishes regards another not as an extension of self but as a unique, forever becoming, beautiful person."

Break
"One woman describes her experiences in cherishing and being cherished in her marriage. Speaking of her husband, she says: "I really like him a lot. He's good inside and out. He wears his feelings on his sleeves and he cries in front of me."

"He's funny. He does giggly things that make me laugh. I feel good when he touches me and when I put my head on his shoulder."

"He's a good friend. He knows me better than anyone. And I can tell he likes me. Sometimes it's in the way he talks about me when I'm not there. He tells me often that he appreciates me for what I've done and that he loves me. He's also honest with me. I can trust him."

"Sometimes he has a certain look in his eyes that makes me feel good inside - it fills me up."

"He's a little overweight and he's exercising hard right now. There are irritating things about both of us, but we've learned to overlook them."

"He's important to me. I need him. I would do anything for him. He's dear to my heart. When he's absent, I miss his presence - it's like a big void when he's not with me. I don't want him to go away. It makes me feel better to have him around."

Says another person about couples and cherishing: "You can tell, even when you don't know other people well, whether they cherish each other."
 
I met my husband when I was 15, during a neighborhood snowball fight, I still do not know how he got there as he lived 10 miles away. I can only guess he was brought by an older sibling or friend and dropped off. I tracked him down later at school, mind you there were like 500 in our class. The next time I saw him was going for a ride in a friends pick up and I wound up in his lap on New Years Eve, It wound up with a kiss and a request for my phone number. Mind you, neither of us could drive yet or even had a car. We worked out way thru that problem at school. Things just went from there. We married at 20. He was only 51 when he died after a 5 year cancer battle. There was never any question in my mind. No one can live up to that kind of memory, I cannot build that level of respect and trust with anyone. He knows this, I told him I would come to him after death.
 
I met my husband when I was 15, during a neighborhood snowball fight, I still do not know how he got there as he lived 10 miles away. I can only guess he was brought by an older sibling or friend and dropped off. I tracked him down later at school, mind you there were like 500 in our class. The next time I saw him was going for a ride in a friends pick up and I wound up in his lap on New Years Eve, It wound up with a kiss and a request for my phone number. Mind you, neither of us could drive yet or even had a car. We worked out way thru that problem at school. Things just went from there. We married at 20. He was only 51 when he died after a 5 year cancer battle. There was never any question in my mind. No one can live up to that kind of memory, I cannot build that level of respect and trust with anyone. He knows this, I told him I would come to him after death.
I've no doubt you will, (my mum met my eighteen year old dad aged fifteen, and both were smitten from then on!).
 
It occurs to me that a great many men in this world probably aren't being cherished by anyone in the world today, with divorce rates so high, and unlikely to fall far when countries like the UK have recently slackened divorce laws even further.
You lost me at the title - what age of "equality"? That is a serious question.
 
I have never had good luck with men. Been married three times and not doing that again (though still legally married to the last one). I am in a relationship with one right now and it is very good.........but we do not live together nor do we intend to. I honestly love men though and value them. I try to see a person not based on their sex, race or religion. Just as a person. Some I like, some I don't.
 
It occurs to me that a great many men in this world probably aren't being cherished by anyone in the world today, with divorce rates so high, and unlikely to fall far when countries like the UK have recently slackened divorce laws even further.

You could argue the same applies to women, yet some wise and knowledgeable women have told me that women in general tend to cope much better following relationship breakdown, (they're better able to network or pour out their feelings I'm told).

Just for my critics I'll throw in how many men get excluded from their children's lives, so little opportunity for your finer qualities to get recognised and appreciated there!

I don't think I'm pretending "men are the victims" (or at least not unfairly), and yes it is very true many men probably are treated just as they deserve by their former partners, maybe even their kids, (though its a moot point for me!), and "the system" has to some extent, be designed to cope with errant dads who'll try to make a mockery if everything, or haven't truly grown up perhaps(?)!

Still my view though that breaking down barriers and old taboos, (like making divorce, and unfaithfulness so acceptable nowadays), that men probably aren't being cherished as much as in former times, when roles were more clearly defined etc. :(
I'm not sure what “a great many men in this world probably aren't being cherished by anyone in the world today, with divorce rates so high” means. I'm having a little trouble following exactly what you're trying to get at here, but I'm gonna take a stab at it. Where to start, lol?

Divorce rates are high. Getting a divorce is relatively easy. People get married thinking if it doesn't work out, they'll just get divorced. That strikes me as the wrong way to enter into a marriage. If I thought that way before marrying my husband, I wouldn't have gotten married in the first place. Marriage was a big deal, and we didn't enter into it lightly.

Most women have friends or family they can talk to, and it's acceptable for them to cry about it. Having support helps. I know some men who've gotten divorced, and they quickly moved on. How well either copes depends on the person.

What are the reasons for men being excluded from their children's lives? Maybe after the divorce, she keeps the children from him. Unless there's a good reason for it, there are laws to prevent that. If the father is truly a bad influence, the court will suss that out. Does she hate her ex-husband so much that she's poisoned their minds against him? Maybe so, especially if they're too young to grasp what's happened. If that's the case, fathers need to do all they can to maintain contact with their children and continue to be a part of their lives. If that means duking it out in court to make it happen, so be it. Fathers have a right to a relationship with their children.

In modern society, we no longer have what can be described simply as a set of well-defined roles. In the past, men were traditionally the breadwinners. Today, it's primarily a dual-earner household. Because women have also become providers, with no reduction in household duties or child care, gender roles have become more fluid. What's not to cherish about a man who steps up to the plate to become engaged with household duties and child care because his wife is also working a full-time job?
It may well be getting harder to find someone we might feel we're compatible with, and who might accept us for all our foibles, (as we can manage for them in return), but if the next generation are being taught "self interest is what matters or should matter", its hard to see things getting better in future!!
Let's face it, at this age, we all have a bit of baggage. Finding a partner later in life who wants to accept whatever your load is, big or small, isn't easy. It takes understanding, tolerance, and a willingness to shoulder it along with their own. It would be ideal to be able to share the loads with one another. I'll help you carry yours, and you'll help me carry mine.

If you want to be "cherished", you have to give as good as you get. If you want love, tenderness, affection, and respect, you must give it in return. It's not a one-sided deal. It can only be found if it's mutual.

If the next generation is being taught that “self-interest is what matters or should matter”, it's wrong. While there's nothing wrong with looking out for yourself, you must step outside yourself and learn to care for others. If you're only self-interested, you're going to end up a very lonely person. Gee whiz, I'm so great, why can't I find someone? The first step is to stop being a selfish idiot. Relationships aren't all about your needs.
If you lived in this country you'd maybe reconsider whether or not it is us men having the upper hand, or been married to someone like my "warrior wife", (- her description of herself, the inference being I was a " peasant"- not a term I'm unhappy with these days, though if pushed a fighting spirit is still to be found, under all the apologising for myself I've grown up to use so often!).
As far as having the "upper hand," it's not an effing competition to see who can get on top. That's horse pucky. It's a partnership where no one is jockeying for position. You're on the same side. You support each other. It's you and me against the world, baby! That's how I see it.

I thought I was finished with this comment until I read the rest of what you posted. Oh, boy. Controversial? You said it. 🙄

"A woman is naturally submissive to a man who she trusts to lead ... even if she's an alpha female."

"A truly submissive woman is to be treasured, cherished and protected for it is only she who can give the man the gift of dominance."


Of course, I followed my husband's lead, but he was also brave enough and smart enough to follow mine.

If this is your idea of what traditional gender roles should be and what cherishing your husband means, you want to go back to the dark ages. If a man has the need for a woman to be naturally and truly submissive, there's a problem. Alpha, beta, delta, theta, schmeta. My husband “treasured, cherished and protected” me, but I was not submissive, and he did not dominate me. He was more than worthy of my admiration, love, tenderness, and respect. I still love and cherish my dearly departed husband, and I always will. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't long for him.

Good luck with whatever it is you're after here. :) 😘

Bella✌️
 
If you lived in this country you'd maybe reconsider whether or not it is us men having the upper hand, or been married to someone like my "warrior wife", (- her description of herself, the inference being I was a " peasant"- not a term I'm unhappy with these days, though if pushed a fighting spirit is still to be found, under all the apologising for myself I've grown up to use so often!).

Abusers and horrible people come in all shapes and sizes, and hardly limited to men alone.

I have a gay friend, my former boss. We once discussed what gay relationships are like among women. She told me, flat out, that there is plenty of abuse among gay women.

To be honest, I was actually quite shocked and a little sad that she said that. I figured, you know, maybe at least some people got exempt from the relationship problems the rest of us have...
 
I have never had good luck with men. Been married three times and not doing that again (though still legally married to the last one). I am in a relationship with one right now and it is very good.........but we do not live together nor do we intend to. I honestly love men though and value them. I try to see a person not based on their sex, race or religion. Just as a person. Some I like, some I don't.

very very sorry for your bad experiences. take care now.
 
Divorce rates are high. Getting a divorce is relatively easy. People get married thinking if it doesn't work out, they'll just get divorced. That strikes me as the wrong way to enter into a marriage. If I thought that way before marrying my husband, I wouldn't have gotten married in the first place. Marriage was a big deal, and we didn't enter into it lightly.
It occurs to me that a great many men in this world probably aren't being cherished by anyone in the world today, with divorce rates so high, and unlikely to fall far when countries like the UK have recently slackened divorce laws even further.

I've been married only once. At over 40 years together and counting, we remain in love and a very good match. That said, of course I entered this marriage knowing that if it didn't work out we'd divorce. Marriage isn't a life sentence, nor should it be. You do what you can, put all possible effort in, and if it doesn't work, you dissolve it. I have friends whose marriages started out as soundly as mine, but at some point the spouses became unhappy.

As for cherishing men? I cherish a few men I know well - also some women I know well. Nobody gets automatic cherishing based on gender, nor should they. As for women following men's leads or being submissive, those times are long gone in most of the western world. And good riddance to them.

Graham, your bitterness toward women, your failed marriage, your ex-wife and your non-relationship with your daughter color a high percentage of the threads you start. I'm sorry that you're in so much pain and that you have so much difficulty moving forward.
 
Bless you for all that, Bella. Wish I could have said it so well.
I'm pretty much with Bella too, (the signs or placards she objected to were simply found during s search for the word "cherished" being used in a placard).
We'll disagree with the "what's not to like about men sharing all the homely duties etc.", (this from a guy who changed as many diapers as my child's mum, and woke up to assist at every feed in the night and took more than 50% of the holding our collicky baby up to six or seven months screaming the house down for four hours, before going off for a pretty much perfect sleep!).
My mum wasn't enamoured with the kind of "equality" being lauded so much nowadays, "What are men for, if they're to behave like women" being her view, (and she wasn't alone in that opinion, and my "warrior wife" made much of being willing to be a stay at home mother to the mans children she left me to create!).
Other than that we're all good, and I can't remember whether we agreed as to whether men are sufficiently cherished today or not! :)
 


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