Who understands the offside rule?

[OldFeller]

Being a big soccer fan, some offsides calls can be game changers and matter big time! Plus, most of the replays show clearly the penalty for what it is if it wasn't obvious to the live fans. I guess your not a big soccer fan.

Not a fan. Nor of Hockey.

 

[911]

yes but the clue is in the name FOOTball... so you should be kicking that ball, not running around with it like it a baby...

How does that logic apply to the game of BASEball? Do the players throw bases at the runners, instead of tagging them with the baseball to get an out? Or, do pitchers throw bases to the batter to hit?

Baseballs are used in the game of baseball, footballs are used in the game of football, soccer balls are used in the game of soccer, volleyballs are used in the game of volleyball, tennis balls are used in the game of tennis, croquet balls are used in the game of croquet, bowling balls are used in the game of bowling, basketballs are used in the game of basketball, etc. Each game that uses a ball is attached to the game it is played with.

There is no ball in the game of hockey, hence, there is no hockey ball. It boggles my mind as to why they call the projectile used in badminton a shuttlecock or birdie. I would imagine it's not called a ball because all balls are orbs and a shuttlecock or birdie is not an orb. But, what else could it be called?

The game of Rugby is played with a rugby ball. The game of Rugby was changed to the name of football because the league was named the Football Association, but it is played with a rugby ball. Soccer is also called football in some countries, even though it is played with a soccer ball.

From Google: Rugby football became “rugby” in England. Association football became “soccer” in England. Rugby football came to the US and evolved into another version of the game. That game became “football” in the US and rugby football became “rugby”.

It's just a matter of different countries naming the sports differently to their persuasion.

I know some of these terms or explanations don't make a lot of sense, but not everything does.

 

[hollydolly]

HUH?..when was I talking about Baseball ?...football is the English name for kicking a soccer ball. the fact Americans chose to call it something different doesn't make it right...... end of argument...

We don't have soccer in England or the UK..regardless of what you've read on google..it's Football...

Scores & Fixtures - Football - BBC Sport

 

[Pam]

How does that logic apply to the game of BASEball? Do the players throw bases at the runners, instead of tagging them with the baseball to get an out? Or, do pitchers throw bases to the batter to hit?

Baseballs are used in the game of baseball, footballs are used in the game of football, soccer balls are used in the game of soccer, volleyballs are used in the game of volleyball, tennis balls are used in the game of tennis, croquet balls are used in the game of croquet, bowling balls are used in the game of bowling, basketballs are used in the game of basketball, etc. Each game that uses a ball is attached to the game it is played with.

There is no ball in the game of hockey, hence, there is no hockey ball. It boggles my mind as to why they call the projectile used in badminton a shuttlecock or birdie. I would imagine it's not called a ball because all balls are orbs and a shuttlecock or birdie is not an orb. But, what else could it be called?

The game of Rugby is played with a rugby ball. The game of Rugby was changed to the name of football because the league was named the Football Association, but it is played with a rugby ball. Soccer is also called football in some countries, even though it is played with a soccer ball.

From Google: Rugby football became “rugby” in England. Association football became “soccer” in England. Rugby football came to the US and evolved into another version of the game. That game became “football” in the US and rugby football became “rugby”.

It's just a matter of different countries naming the sports differently to their persuasion.

I know some of these terms or explanations don't make a lot of sense, but not everything does.

Correct re Association Football.

I remember my sons (in the 1980s) telling me that they were going out for a game of soccer. It was in very common usage right up to the end of the 80s, beginning of the 90s for football to be called soccer in the UK . Nowadays you don't really hear it, football is the term most commonly used. My sons confirmed this. Our local football team have a clubhouse in their grounds which is called The Soccer Bar. Sir Matt Busby (ex Man Utd Manager) also wrote a book in 1974.




And of course I used to buy annuals for my sons such as this one from 1980....

 

[jujube]

I liked it when there was such a horrible call by a ref that coaches go ballistic. I have seen several players and coaches get ejected from baseball, I was just wondering if that has ever happened in an American football game.?

It has happened though they usually just get fined. It happens more in college. One coach (can't remember who or whether it is NFL or college) wears a thick belt with a handle on the back and has a guy who is constantly right behind him to grab the belt if needed to keep him off the field and away from the officials.

And in basketball, too. Remember Bobby Knight throwing a chair? Ejected. IU started chaining the chairs together after that.

 

[hollydolly]

I grew up with 3 brothers.. One of them played for Celtic FC in the 60's one of the leading Football teams in the country...Neither my player brother, nor my other 2 brothers or father ever referred to it as soccer...

 

[Born_To_Lose]

I was surprised to hear that you officiated in the NFL!! That must have been an exciting experience. What is one of your most remembered "time/s" you experienced?

I have been asked this question several times. When I first started officiating football, I also signed up for basketball. I did both at the high school level. The procedure to become an official is here: Ohio H.S. Sports Official

After working 2 years in each sport, I asked our Chapter president how I could advance. He told me to get either higher marks from coach's evaluations or attend a camp clinic. I decided to go to a 4 day camp that was held by 4 clinicians from the NCAA and 2 clinicians from the NFL. It was held at Lakeland Community College in Kirtland, Ohio. I was living in Ohio at the time.

After the camp was over, I was offered a job officiating D-I football games in the Big Ten and the American Conference, which I accepted. I made both conferences well aware that I would not be available on Mondays through Fridays due to my work schedule. That was OK with them and they thanked me for my honesty and letting them know well in advance of my closed days. I wasn't interested in doing college basketball games at the same time as football games.

After 4 years of working The Big Ten and the American Conference, I started getting offers from the ACC and the Sun Belt Conferences, which I accepted. After another 6 years of working D-I football games and the NFL officials were talking about going on strike, the NFL offered me a job. I told them I would only be available on Friday nights, Saturdays and Sundays. I had my lawyer read the contract and after making one adjustment. I signed it and it was at that point, I became a part time, fill-in NFL Official on Saturdays and Sundays only. That meant, any full time NFL Official that was unavailable for Saturday or Sunday games, I would be be available to work those vacancies. I signed the contract along with Commissioner Pete Rozelle.

The worse game I encountered was the fight between Cortland Finnegan (Tennessee Titans) and Andre Johnson (Houston Texans) . Both players removed their helmets and a fight broke out. Both players were fined $25,000 and neither player was suspended. Team members from both sides and the officials helped to stop the fight. It was a real bruhaha of a fight. We had several other little scuffles, but this fight was a real knocked down, dragged out fight. I took one hit to the back of my head, which was an accident, I think.

 

[Paco Dennis]

I have been asked this question several times. When I first started officiating football, I also signed up for basketball. I did both at the high school level. The procedure to become an official is here: Ohio H.S. Sports Official

After working 2 years in each sport, I asked our Chapter president how I could advance. He told me to get either higher marks from coach's evaluations or attend a camp clinic. I decided to go to a 4 day camp that was held by 4 clinicians from the NCAA and 2 clinicians from the NFL. It was held at Lakeland Community College in Kirtland, Ohio. I was living in Ohio at the time.

After the camp was over, I was offered a job officiating D-I football games in the Big Ten and the American Conference, which I accepted. I made both conferences well aware that I would not be available on Mondays through Fridays due to my work schedule. That was OK with them and they thanked me for my honesty and letting them know well in advance of my closed days. I wasn't interested in doing college basketball games at the same time as football games.

After 4 years of working The Big Ten and the American Conference, I started getting offers from the ACC and the Sun Belt Conferences, which I accepted. After another 6 years of working D-I football games and the NFL officials were talking about going on strike, the NFL offered me a job. I told them I would only be available on Friday nights, Saturdays and Sundays. I had my lawyer read the contract and after making one adjustment. I signed it and it was at that point, I became a part time, fill-in NFL Official on Saturdays and Sundays only. That meant, any full time NFL Official that was unavailable for Saturday or Sunday games, I would be be available to work those vacancies. I signed the contract along with Commissioner Pete Rozelle.

The worse game I encountered was the fight between Cortland Finnegan (Tennessee Titans) and Andre Johnson (Houston Texans) . Both players removed their helmets and a fight broke out. Both players were fined $25,000 and neither player was suspended. Team members from both sides and the officials helped to stop the fight. It was a real bruhaha of a fight. We had several other little scuffles, but this fight was a real knocked down, dragged out fight. I took one hit to the back of my head, which was an accident, I think.

Really interesting story!! Are you big? I mean I have been on a NFL football field after a game when I was a kid, and of course the guys were like "gods" with their pads on and everything, but they were HUGE! I guess getting hit buy one, or getting run into by one of the guys was
stunning. Thanks for posting!!

 

[oldman]

I have been asked this question several times. When I first started officiating football, I also signed up for basketball. I did both at the high school level. The procedure to become an official is here: Ohio H.S. Sports Official

After working 2 years in each sport, I asked our Chapter president how I could advance. He told me to get either higher marks from coach's evaluations or attend a camp clinic. I decided to go to a 4 day camp that was held by 4 clinicians from the NCAA and 2 clinicians from the NFL. It was held at Lakeland Community College in Kirtland, Ohio. I was living in Ohio at the time.

After the camp was over, I was offered a job officiating D-I football games in the Big Ten and the American Conference, which I accepted. I made both conferences well aware that I would not be available on Mondays through Fridays due to my work schedule. That was OK with them and they thanked me for my honesty and letting them know well in advance of my closed days. I wasn't interested in doing college basketball games at the same time as football games.

After 4 years of working The Big Ten and the American Conference, I started getting offers from the ACC and the Sun Belt Conferences, which I accepted. After another 6 years of working D-I football games and the NFL officials were talking about going on strike, the NFL offered me a job. I told them I would only be available on Friday nights, Saturdays and Sundays. I had my lawyer read the contract and after making one adjustment. I signed it and it was at that point, I became a part time, fill-in NFL Official on Saturdays and Sundays only. That meant, any full time NFL Official that was unavailable for Saturday or Sunday games, I would be be available to work those vacancies. I signed the contract along with Commissioner Pete Rozelle.

The worse game I encountered was the fight between Cortland Finnegan (Tennessee Titans) and Andre Johnson (Houston Texans) . Both players removed their helmets and a fight broke out. Both players were fined $25,000 and neither player was suspended. Team members from both sides and the officials helped to stop the fight. It was a real bruhaha of a fight. We had several other little scuffles, but this fight was a real knocked down, dragged out fight. I took one hit to the back of my head, which was an accident, I think.

All totaled, how many years has it taken you to get to officiate in the NFL? Because you mention you are part time, do you change positions from head lineman to side judge and so on? Isn't that difficult to learn all the positions and don't you have to be in the city you are working on Sunday by Saturday or sooner? This sounds very confusing to me.

 

[Born_To_Lose]

All totaled, how many years has it taken you to get to officiate in the NFL? Because you mention you are part time, do you change positions from head lineman to side judge and so on? Isn't that difficult to learn all the positions and don't you have to be in the city you are working on Sunday by Saturday or sooner? This sounds very confusing to me.

I am not completely sure I understand your question, but from the time I officiated my first high school game until I officiated my first NFL game, it took me 12 years. I was told that to move up the ranks more quickly, I should plan on attending camps and clinics and not to turn down any assignments, unless an emergency arose. Also, any camps that I attend should be held by professionals and
also make sure that they use video to evaluate you with. When you sit down with your evaluator to discuss your video, he will point out to your mistakes and then hope if he same play arises, you correct that mistake.

I still attend camps and I go to the annual NFL meeting and camp every year. This is a "must attend" assignment. Because I am only a fill-in, I will never be a Referee in a game, but I prefer being the Umpire, the Field Judge or the Back Judge. You have a lot of responsibilities working these positions, so you must be mentally alert throughout the play. As the Umpire, I have been run over a few more times than I care to talk about.

 

[MarkinPhx]

I wish you luck with the hip drop tackle interpretation this season. I'm sure all of you do well with it but just like anything else new, the media is going to probably make a big deal about it for the first month or so.

 

[911]

Correct re Association Football.

I remember my sons (in the 1980s) telling me that they were going out for a game of soccer. It was in very common usage right up to the end of the 80s, beginning of the 90s for football to be called soccer in the UK . Nowadays you don't really hear it, football is the term most commonly used. My sons confirmed this. Our local football team have a clubhouse in their grounds which is called The Soccer Bar. Sir Matt Busby (ex Man Utd Manager) also wrote a book in 1974.


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I am only speaking in regards to here in the U.S. Football is still called Football and not Rugby or Soccer or any other name. In all of my years alive, I have never heard the game of Football here in the U.S. called anything, except Football and Soccer called anything else, except Soccer.

I know some colleges, especially "Ivy League" schools have club sports and a few of them play Rugby and Soccer and are played under different names. It's not all that unusual to hear these club sports being played using different names.

From Quora:
The Ivy Rugby Conference has been around since 2009. They play among the 8 Ivy League colleges. Dartmouth was the last champion. I know Harvard has Women's Rugby as a woman from our high school was recruited 2 years ago.

 

[Jace]

Ask Taylor Swift..she'll tell you.

 

[rasmusjc]

The game is called football..it's called that because we kick the ball with our feet.... why the US calls it football when they run around with the ball in their hands... that's Rugby....

Yes Rose..I understand the offside rule...

Interestingly, I've been seeing videos from the YouTube guy "that is finding all of the lost memos in the pond between Britain and America" (Lawrence Brown?) that claims Britain originally coined the terms "Football" and "Soccer" for the sport.

It amazes me how the referees manage to keep straight when a player is offside at the time the ball is kicked to them.

 

[Blessed]

American football in my home.

Offside - when I walked in front of the TV during a game. Hubby called it =The line of death.

Flag on the play - Hubby must put a rolled up pair of socks in his mouth before he screamed!

 

[Lawrence00]

I've seen soccer. It's a game for little kids.