Why Tipping Feels Like a Scam Now

I quit tipping on so many things it was used to be to reward good service. now it is just expected.
I worked as waitress at a family restaurant and did well with tips because I put in effort a seasoned staff member always seemed miffed that some regulars who never tipped her would tip me. That system worked the person who did a good job made money. now people feel done with it and not even wanting to reward a good job.

When a nearby city decided they should set wages for service like food delivery...... the orders dropped over 40%. a restaurant owner said an entree which would cost $18 if customer came in all the forced fees to cover city rules same dish is $35.
small mom and pop restaurants moved to suburbs not forced to comply or to another nearby city.
The progressive city has empty store fronts with addicts and homeless and delivery drivers make less now than they did. So if it was a part time to supplement income, they just quit doing it.

they call that progress.... :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
Here in the UK we don't have a tipping culture per se, because all waiting staff are paid a normal wages like anyone else..

However it's habit that we do tip some people.....it's not expected and service is not compromised if we're not likely to tip.... and tables are not turned every hour or hour and a half to make room for new potential tippers.. so no-one has to rush their meals in a restaurant because they're expected to leave after a certain period..

The only real places that get regular tips these days, are hair salons.. and Cab drivers.. but even the latter now has seen a big depreciation in tipss, because of online booking and paying...
 
hollydolly said:
Here in the UK we don't have a tipping culture per se, because all waiting staff are paid a normal wages like anyone else..

However it's habit that we do tip some people.....it's not expected and service is not compromised if we're not likely to tip.... and tables are not turned every hour or hour and a half to make room for new potential tippers.. so no-one has to rush their meals in a restaurant because they're expected to leave after a certain period..

The only real places that get regular tips these days, are hair salons.. and Cab drivers.. but even the latter now has seen a big depreciation in tipss, because of online booking and paying...
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Not all places have small wage and expect tips to make it up that was the way years ago but now not as much now. the tiny wage beg for tips story is very old.
tables are turned here more not for tips but the restaurant wanting more turns of table.
Service sucks anymore as too many built in tips or such in the bill. No effort required and trust me, it shows.
 
hollydolly said:
Here in the UK we don't have a tipping culture per se, because all waiting staff are paid a normal wages like anyone else..

However it's habit that we do tip some people.....it's not expected and service is not compromised if we're not likely to tip.... and tables are not turned every hour or hour and a half to make room for new potential tippers.. so no-one has to rush their meals in a restaurant because they're expected to leave after a certain period..

The only real places that get regular tips these days, are hair salons.. and Cab drivers.. but even the latter now has seen a big depreciation in tipss, because of online booking and paying...
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Sounds like a "dream world" from my American perspective...
 
I don’t even know how much a waiter or waitress makes per hour. Some say it’s between $4 and $5 an hour.
 
In my area there is not such thing as a lower tip wage.

Workers in restaurants for example, get the full minimum wage, plus tips. Why a server should be tipped, but the guys working in the warehouse that stocks restaurant supplies is beyond me. I don’t mind tipping when the servers actually made significantly less per hour. Today, they do not. What is happening is that restaurants are struggling to survive. A new place near me offers a breakfast deal of $19 for a bowl of oatmeal, glass of OJ, muffin, and coffee. Add in tax and tip and it ends up near $25. Needless to say, I eat breakfast at home. If I have to eat out I get an egg muffin from the deal menu at the local fast food chain.
 
Have I mentioned that at my local favorite coffee house, they expect a tip for handing me a muffin and a cup to fill with coffee?

What happens:
I find an empty table. If it’s dirty, I get a few napkins and wipe it off.
I go to the counter where I am handed the muffin and an empty coffee cup.
I take the muffin to my table, walk over to the coffee counter and fill my cup.
Refill time? I walk back to the coffee table and get a refill.
When I leave, I move as many crumbs as I can to my empty cup, and buss the table by taking the dirty napkins, plate and coffee cup and put them in a plastic tub.

Is the above worth even a 15% tip? The staff works hard and treats the customers very well. They are a locally owned shop, and I want them to remain and not close.

But, really their compensation should not depend on my tips. It’s management’s job to evaluate employees and decide what they are worth. Not mine.
 
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911 said:
I don’t even know how much a waiter or waitress makes per hour. Some say it’s between $4 and $5 an hour.
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the thing is regardless of how much they earn, that should be down to the employer to ensure that their staff earns a living wage...not the consumer...

Can you imagine buying a bus or train ticket, and then before you get off your asked to pay a portion of the drivers salary.... or at the supermarket... pay for your groceries but before you leave you have to leave 20 % extra for the cashier... what ?... no-one would stand for it... and rightly so. The employers pay a living wage.. and that should apply to all restaurant and bar staff as it does in every other country
 
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hollydolly said:
the thing is regardless of how much they earn, that sshould be down to the employer to ensure that their staff earns a living wage...not the consumer...

Can you imagine buying a a bus or train ticket, and then before you get off your asked to pay a portion of the drivers salary.... or at the supermarket... pay for your groceries but before you leave you have to leave 20 % extra for the cashier... what ?... no-one would stand for it... and rightly so. The employers pay a living wage.. and that should apply to all restaurant and bar staff as it does in every other country
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Yes!!!
 
hollydolly said:
exactly, and it shouldn't feel like that...Only in the Americas is medication priced so highly most people can't afford it... and that's not fair.....
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I get 3 medications every month. None of them is cheap, but I only pay $4.50 for all 3. My insurance pays the rest; several hundred dollars.

There are 2 reasons medication is so expensive here. 1) Most are created here, which involves research, testing, trials, and submission and approval, and that isn't cheap. 2) Many are produced here, so there's the cost of laboratories, factories, and employees, as well as the cost and procurement of ingredients, sometimes from another country.

But insurances cover most of your drug costs with few exceptions, and drug companies will charge them as much as they legally can to cover business costs and still make massive profits.

That's where the scam is.
 
Murrmurr said:
I get 3 medications every month. None of them is cheap, but I only pay $4.50 for all 3. My insurance pays the rest; several hundred dollars.

There are 2 reasons medication is so expensive here. 1) Most are created here, which involves research, testing, trials, and submission and approval, and that isn't cheap. 2) Many are produced here, so there's the cost of laboratories, factories, and employees, as well as the cost and procurement of ingredients, sometimes from another country.

But insurances cover most of your drug costs with few exceptions, and drug companies will charge them as much as they legally can to cover business costs and still make massive profits.

That's where the scam is.
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we also have huge manufacturing paharmaceutical companies here too... none less than Glaxosmithklein..... we alos have research/testing/trials.. galore in fact my daughter before she moved to Spain was one of the planners for Roche... a huge pharmaceutical manufacturing company
they all make or made massive profits.. despite us not paying the huge sums you do in the USA...nor does it happen in any of the other European countries...
You're having to pay goodess knows how much every month in Insurances to get your meds for $4.50... we don't have to do that..... especially us seniors who no longer pay into the system via our salaries.. ..our prescriptions are free.. that's zero..nada.. nothing... and as we age we need more and more mediccation... this costs us Nothing at all..no insurances, no payments.. nothing !

Our dental is also vastly reduced in price compared to the US and for those on a very low income over 65 .. dental is free... eye tests are also free.. over 60 years old...
 
Paladin1950 said:
I can't remember the last time I tipped anyone. Probably I did in the last century.:unsure:
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good I'm all for that.. the more people do that the more Employers will have to step up and pay a proper salary.

Don't get me wrong, if someone does sometihing over and above what I their job is.. or they go out f their way to be helpful, I'll happily tip someone, but for doing their job?..no... ! It's not down to me to pay their bills.. it's down to their employer
 
We went to Swiss Chalet a while back while our dogs were getting groomed and our bill was $64 and change. We tipped 15%.
I don’t mind tipping waitresses. I DO mind tipping over the counter food places. I agree with the others that everyone these days is expecting to be tipped.
 
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hollydolly said:
we also have huge manufacturing paharmaceutical companies here too... none less than Glaxosmithklein..... we alos have research/testing/trials.. galore in fact my daughter before she moved to Spain was one of the planners for Roche... a huge pharmaceutical manufacturing company
they all make or made massive profits.. despite us not paying the huge sums you do in the USA...nor does it happen in any of the other European countries...
You're having to pay goodess knows how much every month in Insurances to get your meds for $4.50... we don't have to do that..... especially us seniors who no longer pay into the system via our salaries.. ..our prescriptions are free.. that's zero..nada.. nothing... and as we age we need more and more mediccation... this costs us Nothing at all..no insurances, no payments.. nothing !

Our dental is also vastly reduced in price compared to the US and for those on a very low income over 65 .. dental is free... eye tests are also free.. over 60 years old...
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(my insurance is free, but that's irrelevant)

But your taxes pay for all that, yes? I'm not positive, but pretty sure American workers pay the lowest income tax in the developed world.
 
hollydolly said:
Here in the UK we don't have a tipping culture per se, because all waiting staff are paid a normal wages like anyone else..
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Same in California. Restaurant employees (waitstaff included) must be paid no less than minimum wage, $17.87/hour BY THEIR EMPLOYERS. Tips CANNOT be factored in.
911 said:
I don’t even know how much a waiter or waitress makes per hour. Some say it’s between $4 and $5 an hour.
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Check your state and county laws.
Brookswood said:
Workers in restaurants for example, get the full minimum wage, plus tips.
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Exactly. I was once a heavy tipper but have cut waaaay back because everyone and his brother wants a tip, usually for doing very little.

"Baristas?" Spare me. It's your JOB to pour my coffee, you're not delivering it to my table or doing me a special favor. Same with take-out food.

I've increasingly moved toward cash transactions in restaurants so I don't have to deal with the tip screen BS.

Great video with lots of info I didn't know. Thanks, @hollydolly!
 
ohioboy said:
In Ohio it's $5.50 an hour for Tipped employees.
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..and the reason people go and work for those low wages is because they know they'll make lots of tips... and that will make up a proper wage.. but if everyone stopped tipping then the employer would have to pay a living wage or go bust...

if they can do it everywhere in the world.. and they also do it in California, why are they not doing it in all of the USA ?..rhetorical question obviously
 
hollydolly said:
for what age ? ..do you mean the national wage, or wages for waiting staff ?
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The US national minimum wage hasn't gone up since 2009, and is set at $7.25. Some states, counties & cities have minimum wage laws of their own (like CA and Los Angeles) requiring higher wages be paid. CA minimum is $16.90, but Los Angeles's is $17.87/hr.

 
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