Why we need to end child criminal confidential naming laws

David777

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13-year-old California bakery riot suspect arrested hours after release for robbery

https://www.yahoo.com/news/13-old-california-bakery-riot-140713926.html

Instead criminals throughout our state are using juveniles to commit crimes like car jacking and burglary their adult handlers then use for crimes. Some juveniles are of course repeat offenders that given the same lame judges that are friends with advocates, just let them go because news media never gets to know. In fact, we citizens almost never read stories of what the consequence of such juvenile arrests resulted in after trials. It's a one way game of reporting crime but almost never reading news of post trial punishment if any. So neither the juveniles nor the judges have anything to worry about.

And when news media does find out, courts claim, our juvenile facilities are too crowded, an obvious lie, especially when our legislature has purposely been closing both the juvenile and adult facilities for years in order to play that game, because those running such facilities are appointed by the same people that put blame on general society issues. Of course the same lack of common sense has spread from California across the nation pushed by many psychologists and juvenile advocates.

Enough is enough!
 

Yeah, the kid that stole my car years ago was 15. He was only caught for that because the fingerprints he left on a CD that he apparently forgot he had left in my CD player showed up in the system several months later when he got caught stealing another car.

All he got was a tap.....not even a slap.....on the wrist for stealing my car.

Out of curiosity, I looked him up the other day. He's in prison. Apparently the tap didn't take.
 

David777 said:
13-year-old California bakery riot suspect arrested hours after release for robbery

https://www.yahoo.com/news/13-old-california-bakery-riot-140713926.html

Instead criminals throughout our state are using juveniles to commit crimes like car jacking and burglary their adult handlers then use for crimes. Some juveniles are of course repeat offenders that given the same lame judges that are friends with advocates, just let them go because news media never gets to know. In fact, we citizens almost never read stories of what the consequence of such juvenile arrests resulted in after trials. It's a one way game of reporting crime but almost never reading news of post trial punishment if any. So neither the juveniles nor the judges have anything to worry about.

And when news media does find out, courts claim, our juvenile facilities are too crowded, an obvious lie, especially when our legislature has purposely been closing both the juvenile and adult facilities for years in order to play that game, because those running such facilities are appointed by the same people that put blame on general society issues. Of course the same lack of common sense has spread from California across the nation pushed by many psychologists and juvenile advocates.

Enough is enough!
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I understand your frustration and concern regarding the incident you shared and the broader issue of juvenile crime. However, it's important to have a nuanced conversation about this complex topic, avoiding generalizations and unsubstantiated claims.

Here are some points to consider:

1. Avoiding blanket statements: Attributing all juvenile crime to "criminals" and "adult handlers" can be misleading and unhelpful. While adult influence or manipulation can play a role in some cases, the reasons behind juvenile delinquency are varied and often involve complex individual and societal factors.

2. Evidence-based discussion: Claiming courts are intentionally overcrowding facilities or that psychologists and advocates lack common sense lacks evidence and potentially harmful generalizations. Focusing on specific instances and data-driven arguments would be more productive.

3. Complexities of the justice system: The juvenile justice system aims to rehabilitate and guide young offenders while ensuring public safety. Balancing these goals requires careful consideration of individual circumstances, rehabilitation programs, and the potential for repeat offenses.

4. Responsible media coverage: You're right that post-trial consequences for juvenile cases often receive less attention. However, responsible media coverage needs to prioritize accuracy, protecting juvenile anonymity, and avoiding sensationalism.

5. Constructive solutions: Instead of broad condemnations, focusing on effective solutions for preventing juvenile crime and offering evidence-based alternatives to incarceration could be more impactful. This might involve better access to education, mental health services, and social support programs.

It's crucial to acknowledge the seriousness of juvenile crime and hold individuals accountable for their actions. However, addressing this issue effectively requires understanding the root causes, promoting rehabilitation, and fostering responsible media coverage and public discourse.

Remember, generalizing and blaming entire groups without evidence can be harmful and hinder productive discussions and solutions. Let's focus on building a more informed and constructive approach to addressing juvenile crime and promoting better outcomes for young individuals and society as a whole.
 
Why we need to end child criminal confidential naming laws
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For those interested in and having knowledge of policing and the criminal justice system would be aware that finding the "holy grail" of changing human criminal behavior to law abiding behavior has been very much a "work in progress". And, what "law & order" citizens overlook is that locking every offender up and throwing away the key is incredibly expensive.
When offenders are young is the best time / opportunity to turn-around the criminal tendencies. So the courts and sociologists and the psychology professionals try to formulate strategies to turn around youthful offenders before they become adult offenders.

Children and adults become hardened by incarceration, and unless put to death they will someday be among you, walking the streets.
 
Names can be disclosed under this Juvenile Rule:

Section 204.5 - Minor's name disclosed to public

Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the name of a minor may be disclosed to the public if the minor is 14 years of age or older and found by the juvenile court to be a person described in Section 602 as a result of a sustained petition for the commission of any of the offenses listed in Section 667.5 of inthe Penal Code, or in subdivision (c) of Section 1192.7 of the Penal Code.

The minor in question was only 13.
 
Nathan said:
...When offenders are young is the best time / opportunity to turn-around the criminal tendencies. ...
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:) It's been my experience that professionals (courts, sociologists, psychologists) encourage self-pity and paranoia, unwholesome states of mind. I'm a layperson but I think we should avoid that.
 
In Pennsylvania, we had an all boys rehabilitationā€™s school. For years, it was noted as being one of the top rehab schools for young people in the U.S. Then, something went wrong. It was taken over by an outside company that was paid to run the facility. After being in charge of the school for several years, it was closed down due to child abuses that were taking place for quite a few years.

It was shut down for about 5 years and then reopened under a different name, but again, in a few years, the same result. More child abused. I was part of the team that raided the school the day we licked up the place.

The original name was Glen Mills. It was located just outside of Philadelphia. Look it up here on the internet. Thereā€™s lots to read about it. I remember touring the facility not long after I first became a Trooper. I thought it was a great place for young male juveniles that went down the wrong road. It really was a very good place for young kids that had gone astray. However, when the state relinquished the school to a private concern, it all went downhill.

Each time I drive by that place, it breaks my heart. A lot of bad kids went into that school and came out as good kids. Not all of them were that way. Nothing is perfect, but when Glen Mills was run by the state, it was a real plus for the state and the bad kids.

Glen Mills
 
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A 13 year old is a kid. Yes, the fact that kids are quite able to commit crimes is not justification to treat them like adults. Kids are not miniature adults. I don't think we have a real option for repeat kid offenders. Throwing them in "kid's jail" only exposes them to more sophisticated underage felons. It's crime college. We don't have the knowledge, the money, or the will to figure out what truly works with these kids. I don't have any answers.
I believe the laws about childrens' identity shield them from notoriety, but not from the punishment for their crimes- but again, what do you do with a 13 or 17 year old kid?
 
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fuzzybuddy said:
A 13 year old is a kid. Yes, the fact that kids are quite able to commit crimes is not justification to treat them like adults. Kids are not miniature adults. I don't think we have a real option for repeat kid offenders. Throwing them in "kid's jail" only exposes them to more sophisticated underage felons. It's crime college. We don't have the knowledge, the money, or the will to figure out what truly works with these kids. I don't have any answers.
I believe the laws about childrens' identity shield them from notoriety, but not from the punishment for their crimes- but again, what do you do with a 13 or 17 year old kid?
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Go after the parents.
 
Over 30 years ago I worked in a juvenile diversion program in a city of 800k population. When arrested the police would bring in the kids and we had a scoring system that we used to see if they qualified. If the crime was major the police would take them to a juvenile facility.

For kids with minor offenses I would interview the kids and then call the parents and interview them. Then I would write a report for the court with my recommendations. The program worked well and we didnā€™t have a lot of repeat offenders. Most parents donā€™t take their kids getting arrested lightly.
 
gruntlabor said:
:) It's been my experience that professionals (courts, sociologists, psychologists) encourage self-pity and paranoia, unwholesome states of mind. I'm a layperson but I think we should avoid that.
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Actually professionals hold kids accountable while offering help to change the direction of their lives. Often kids make one dumb mistake and donā€™t repeat it. As someone with 3 graduate degrees in the social sciences and professional work experience you really donā€™t know anything about the subject.
 
In my professional experience, what the majority of psychologists actually do is offer to teach their clients efficacious coping skills. Rather different from encouraging self pity. As for paranoia, some clients

present with this in various forms. Often, they have excellent reasons for such a bleak perspective. We endeavour to assist them in working through whatever trauma has likely triggered this. (It is

Interesting to note this is the second instance of psychologist bashing in less than 24 hours. I wonder why?)
 
Teacher Terry said:
Actually professionals hold kids accountable while offering help to change the direction of their lives. Often kids make one dumb mistake and donā€™t repeat it. As someone with 3 graduate degrees in the social sciences and professional work experience you really donā€™t know anything about the subject.
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:) Yes, any authority, any decision making except professional really should be outlawed. We could hang a ribbon on the white house in support of the abolishment of elections. As proof of the infallibility of professionals we need only look to the state of our country and our educational institutions. We can barely keep a plane in the sky.
 
The issue is not that all politicians, all teachers, all government servants, all employee union stewards, all judges, all prosecutors, or all psychologists are the cause of societal dysfunctions, but rather minor numbers that have risen to levels of management (many advocates as I wrote) and effectively hijacked common sense solutions from being reasonably applied to societal issues. And those political divisions that are most responsible for legislation and policy listening to those advocates are now being controlled by those with extreme agendas. Specifically, psychologists, are some of our most intelligent humans with many exceptionally perceptive to subtle non verbal emotions and ways of human thought.

Those citizens center left and center right as this person have lost a voice so are increasingly frustrated by regular news like the above and saying to those making policy, Enough is Enough.
 
Nathan said:
much respect for your human insight.
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Not mine, pard

Gettin' it from here;

Proverbs 22:6 KJV
Train up a child in the way he should go: And when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Don't have to necessarily be a Christian to get some wisdom from the book of Proverbs

But, good stuff is throughout the Bible

Ephesians 6:4 -
And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.

Christian or no
Mending a wayward child takes some humility, devotion, patience
One of the tougher jobs
Seldom much reward
 
Gary O' said:
My heart goes out to any professional assigned to take on an errant youth
Not an easy/quick fix to mend what's been broken too long ago
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My wife has worked in Juvenile Justice system for 25 years. She wishes she had a cattle prod..... for the parents....
NC has just done what they called raise the age... now 17 and 18 year olds are treated as juveniles... has absolutely choked the system down.
 

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