Will The Taliban Take Kabul on 9-11?

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Verisure said:
What do the Taliban have to do with it? ANSWER: Nothing. Or are you privy to some special info on the matter?
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You are right.... the Taliban was not involved in 9/11..
BUT 9/11 was the impetus for our invasion...and the Taliban was driven out of power. Seems to me they would love to use that day to show us who is in charge now...
 

Serenity4321 said:
Seems to me they would love to use that day to show us who is in charge now...
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Interesting how the news media and so many commentators continue to refer to Talibani as "insurgents". Insurgents? That would imply treason. Since when are the majority of people and their government committing "treason"? On the contrary, it is the collaborators who worked with the invading USA and West who were the treasonous insurgents.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
Interesting how the news media and so many commentators continue to refer to Talibani as "insurgents". Insurgents? That would imply treason. Since when are the majority of people and their government committing "treason"? On the contrary, it is the collaborators who worked with the invading USA and West who were the treasonous insurgents.
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An excellent point! I am also astounded when hearing suicide bombers referred to as "cowards".
 
Devi said:
I don't know. What's your take on it?
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It is our assumption that the Afghanis were clear on what Taliban philosophy was all about. We don't really know if the Soviet/American ravage of the country has changed their perspective of the Taliban or not but we do know that the Taliban are favoured in Afghanistan today.

It is also our assumption that the American population had some idea of what Democracy is all about but I wonder if their perception of Democracy has changed since the corrupt and illegal invasion of Iraq and if Democracy is favoured in the US as they once understood it to be or if they feel that they have been disillusioned by it and would rather replace it for something else.
 
Verisure said:
It is also our assumption that the American population had some idea of what Democracy is all about but I wonder if their perception of Democracy has changed since the corrupt and illegal invasion of Iraq and if Democracy is favoured in the US as they once understood it to be or if they feel that they have been disillusioned by it and would rather replace it for something else.
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Okay. I don't know who you're referring to with your use of "our", but I'll give a shot at answering.

Sure, I understand what Democracy is about. Whether we (the U.S.) should have gone into Iraq (etc.) is a different subject.

That does not mean I am so disillusioned with Democracy that I want to adopt ... what? ... communism? Or perhaps a lovely dictatorship? I don't think so. But I really don't know what you're vaguely suggesting there.

My approach is that, if something needs to be fixed, fix it.
 
Devi said:
Okay. I don't know who you're referring to with your use of "our", but I'll give a shot at answering.

Sure, I understand what Democracy is about. Whether we (the U.S.) should have gone into Iraq (etc.) is a different subject.

That does not mean I am so disillusioned with Democracy that I want to adopt ... what? ... communism? Or perhaps a lovely dictatorship? I don't think so. But I really don't know what you're vaguely suggesting there.

My approach is that, if something needs to be fixed, fix it.
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We (again I say "we" westerners) are probably of the opinion that Afghanis are familiar with the rules and regulations of the Taliban. Americans have been fed a load of misinformative Democratic values that they can see for themselves are not in use inside the US. It is my suggestion that Afghanis know what they are getting with a Taliban government whereas Americans do not know what is around the next corner with their government(s).

Yes, I agree with you: "if something needs to be fixed, fix it". Knowing what needs to be fixed or what needs to be shitcanned is the crux that the masses have been unable to decipher thanks to propaganda and censorship. Gorbatjov knew what needed to be fixed but he wasn't given the opportunity to do it. Saddam Hussein also knew (partially) what needed to be fixed but we know what happened to him and his nation. The same happened to Mohammad Mosaddegh of Iran. These are three cases where so-called Democracy destroyed the endeavours of those who would "fix it".
 
Devi said:
I wonder ... if the U.S. had not gone to Afghanistan, how would the Afghani people look at the Taliban?
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Clearly they favored the Taliban because they (along with their predecessors) removed the Soviets from their land. Nobody wants to have their country occupied by foreign colonialists whether they be from the Soviet Union of the USA. As it was, the Taliban always gave much autonomy to provincial war lords and other tribal groupings who lived outside of the major cities. This is why so many Talibani were safely harbored by those provincials for all these years.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
Clearly they favored the Taliban because they (along with their predecessors) removed the Soviets from their land. Nobody wants to have their country occupied by foreign colonialists whether they be from the Soviet Union of the USA. As it was, the Taliban always gave much autonomy to provincial war lords and other tribal groupings who lived outside of the major cities. This is why so many Talibani were safely harbored by those provincials for all these years.
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That's absolutely right.

* Fidel Castro's socialist revolution freed Cuba from the stranglehold of the American Mafia (with its backing from Washington). Thus Cuba became a Socialist Republic.

* The Ayatollah Khomeini and his Islamic Revolution of Iran freed their country from American control of their oilfields. Thus the nation became the Islamic Republic of Iran.

* Ho Chi Mihn's Communist Revolution freed Vietnam from French occupation and later from the US occupation. Thus Vietnam became the Socialist Republic of Vietnam

* The Taliban (et.al.) freed Afghanistan from Soviet occupation and now the American occupation. Thus Afghanistan will become the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan ruled by the Taliban.

No surprises. It's simple logic. :coffee:
 
Verisure said:
We (again I say "we" westerners) are probably of the opinion that Afghanis are familiar with the rules and regulations of the Taliban.
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This is true, however the majority of Afghan citizens do not like the Taliban's rules and regulations. At all. The Taliban's brutal, medieval brand of Islam isn't what most (almost all) Afghan's practice and it isn't what they want to live. But now they have to. Again. They aren't trying to escape the Taliban, per se, they're trying to escape a lifestyle that will now be imposed on them under the threat of torture and death if they don't fall in line. Basically, they don't want to be slaves.
 
Murrmurr said:
Really?

You don't remember what happened there in the 90s? Do you not know that there are several interpretations of Islam and Islamic law?

In short, the Talib's Islamic laws are extremely fundamental, draconian, barbaric. The average Afghan does not embrace the Talib interpretation of Islamic law. Their theologies differ greatly.
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I like to see actual sources rather than unsubstantiated references.

Taliban soldiers didn't just drop in from the stratosphere. They had been living comfortably in the provinces where they had been more than welcomed. Those provinces had many armed war lords who had absolutely no trouble with the Taliban or their way of life.

By contrast, the supporters of the Ghani puppet regime were concentrated in the cities where they prospered with the the money given to them (your tax dollars, of course) rather than distributed to the poor who needed it the most.



~ Do you not know that there are several interpretations of Islam and Islamic law? ~

I have read the Koran (Rodwell translation, translated in 1861), read Averoës in college, am very well read in Mozarab and Morisco history, and have spent a good deal of time enjoying Andaluçian music. While I am no expert on denominational differences, and in answer to your question, yes I do know there are about as many Muslim denominations as there are in Christianity. But as I said before, that is their concern, not mine or yours or that of Washington, DC.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
I like to see actual sources rather than unsubstantiated references.

While I am no expert on denominational differences, and in answer to your question, yes I do know there are about as many Muslim denominations as there are in Christianity. But as I said before, that is their concern, not mine or yours or that of Washington, DC.
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For someone who isn't concerned, you've had an awful lot to say on the matter.

My "unsubstantiated references" are actual events in very recent history. Like, so recent it's barely even history yet. These events/references are at your fingertips.
 
Psaki: Trump Released THOUSANDS of Taliban - YouTube


Trump put 5,000 Taliban fighters back in battle and tied Biden’s hands in Afghanistan (dailykos.com)

Top Taliban leaders are among the 5000 that Trump released last year over everyone's objections - Alternet.org



I guess that was Trump's planned actions to make Afghanistan great again.



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But, as always, it's more convenient to say BLAME BIDEN!
 
Murrmurr said:
I don't know if Trump even cared, and I'm certain the Talib has other plans, but is there something wrong with Afghanistan being great? 'Cause I think it'd be great.
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You both got it wrong. More disinformation from haters.
 

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