Will War Break Out Between the US and China?

I do not believe China and the United States will go to war. I think that China wants southeast Asia. China has wanted it the last hundred years or so. I think that when Russia falls that China might march in and take over vast areas of the Russian empire.
 
StarSong said:
And shame on us for that.
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Not really. The US had no allegiance to the British Empire nor to the Commonwealth.

Even the British abandoned Australia after the fall of Singapore.
Churchill tried to divert our infantry to India when they were being called home from fighting in North Africa so that they could be used to defend Australia from the advancing Japanese.

America only came to our aid because they had lost the Philippines and wanted to use north Queensland as a base for Macarthur's Pacific campaign.

I know quite a lot about Australian war history and the lesson is that you cannot count on help unless there is something in it for the other party.
 
I don't see China and the US going to outright war - at least not anytime soon.

What would China's objective be? Why conquer their largest customer and destroy its (and their own) economy in the process?

"Owning" and controlling geographically large, well populated countries from thousands of miles away hasn't yet worked over the long haul. Not even when the aggressors have far superior weapons and the populous isn't well armed.
 
Murrmurr said:
The CCP fears the US military, but they're definitely working on that. If they discover a way to effectively cripple the US, I believe they'd do it but not until their economy is stable. And it isn't.
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You hit the nail on the head re: their economy.
 
Some might find this an interesting read. Re: US relations with Taiwan, directly from the US Department of State. Here is an excerpt.

Taiwan is a highly advanced economy producing an estimated $786 billion in goods and services in 2021. The United States and Taiwan have deep and growing commercial, financial, and trade ties, which advance U.S. interests and help create economic opportunities in the United States. Since 2020, the United States and Taiwan, under the auspices of AIT and TECRO, have held the Economic Prosperity Partnership Dialogue to enhance economic and commercial ties, including supply chain security and resiliency, investment screening, health, science and technology, and the digital economy. The Department of Commerce launched the Technology, Trade, and Investment Collaboration framework with Taiwan in 2021 to provide a platform to develop commercial programs and explore actions to strengthen critical supply chains.

Taiwan is the United States’ eighth-largest trading partner, and the United States is Taiwan’s second-largest trading partner. U.S. exports of goods and services to Taiwan supported an estimated 188,000 American jobs in 2019. AIT and TECRO have a Trade and Investment Framework Agreement (TIFA) and recently resumed regular TIFA Council meetings.

Taiwanese cumulative investment in the United States was nearly $137 billion in 2020. Taiwan’s direct investment in the United States is led by manufacturing, wholesale trade, and depository institutions. These investments directly support an estimated 21,000 jobs in the United States and $1.5 billion in U.S. exports.

https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-taiwan/
 
As long as warmongering neoconservatives continue to control our government in both parties, we and the rest of the world are indeed in danger. It is about the several decades seething hatred they have of the other side they won't let go and money that feeds our military industrial complex, just like when I came of age in the late 1960s. And just today another huge weapons sale...

US Plans to Sell Poland $10 Billion in Himars Rocket Launchers and Ammunition

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-07/us-to-sell-poland-10-billion-in-himars-ammunition

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Warrigal said:
It might depend on who occupies the White House.
Military advice might not be heeded.

The ANZUS treaty might not hold, or there could be delays in responding.
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Though a US president holds the title of Commander in Chief, s/he is required to heed advice from the military's top generals and Congress. The Constitution gives Congress sole power to declare war, mainly because they're tasked with funding it.
A president can declare war only if the US comes under direct attack, but s/he still meets with congress to effectively ask permission (and for funding). Under those circumstances, there wouldn't be any argument.

So, in actuality, it depends on who's the majority in Congress.

But, really, we do have a contract (basically) that says we will defend Australia militarily.

an aside; Congress's last formal declaration of war was during World War II. Since then they've created ongoing (and I think amendable) resolutions authorizing the use of military force and helped shape military policy through appropriation of funds and appointing special task forces.
 
The so called leaders in WDC in executive, military, and legislature should study the genesis of WW1, WWII and the effects of weakness and appeasement for example Chamberlains notorious Munich "peace" agreements with Hitler and Mussolini.

M. XI and M. Putin as well as the Iranian Mullahs have take great notice and advantage of our weak leaders, and are acting accordingly.

In the last years US technology has rapidly lost the edge in hypersonic flight, space war, satellites, cyberwar, quantum computing and other modern ares of conflict. Thus, we are now lagging behind Chin We have been in an undeclared economic, cyber and naval war for many years. The pentagon focuses on trans/woke indoctrination and cannot recruit qualified seaman, pilots or leaders.


The threats of cyber attack, electromagnetic pulse (EMP), and other forms of new /hybrid warfare are ignored or not addressed yet.

Read the great 2011 book "One second After" by William Forstchen.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0765356864/

Off to the bunker...

Form an optimist in the nuclear age'

Jon
 
Will a direct war between China and the U.S. ever happen ?......I'd say no, China doesn't want to mess with the U.S. (war wise) anymore than than the U.S. wants to mess with them, too costly on both sides.

Is it possible that we might go to war indirectly with China by using a middle man like we're for all practical purposes doing now by fighting Russia using Ukraine ?......let's hope not.
 
I have always believed with the invention of the atomic bomb/ weapons that a war between the major nuclear powers is extremely unlikely.

One simple reason, after the first A-bomb blew up in WWII the world understood for the first time in history, that the guy who starts the next war, the guy that pushes the button or gives the order, cannot be assured of his own survival (or his families). As you cannot hide from or avoid a nuclear weapon if the explosion does not get you the radiation and/or fallout will.

So far, I have been correct!
 
Timewise 60+ said:
I have always believed with the invention of the atomic bomb/ weapons that a war between the major nuclear powers is extremely unlikely.

One simple reason, after the first A-bomb blew up in WWII the world understood for the first time in history, that the guy who starts the next war, the guy that pushes the button or gives the order, cannot be assured of his own survival (or his families). As you cannot hide from or avoid a nuclear weapon if the explosion does not get you the radiation and/or fallout will.

So far, I have been correct!
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Exactly. Mutually assured destruction whether it starts with bombs or EMPs. Super powers with nukes have armed submarines and hidden silos across the planet. Bombs and EMPs cannot disable them all.

The cities and assets of those who first push the button will not escape annihilation.
 
StarSong said:
Exactly. Mutually assured destruction whether it starts with bombs or EMPs. Super powers with nukes have armed submarines and hidden silos across the planet. Bombs and EMPs cannot disable them all.

The cities and assets of those who first push the button will not escape annihilation.
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At least some of us get it! I guess keeping the fear going helps some make more money. I just focus on enjoying each day, as my time here is limited either way...
 
The Chinese are certainly being provocative, and it would seem that they do want war with the West. We are allowing them to spy on us, we rely on their manufacturing the goods we need, we allow them to buy property in our countries. They are making fools of us, thanks to our blinkered, short-sighted governments. How far will we let it go...hard to say.
What we must be careful of is letting our guard down. There is a great threat from Islamic terrorism and we need to keep alert on that scene.
 
MAD sounds logical. But, it's not really a human response. If one side, either the US or China is losing a conventional war, nuclear weapons will be used by the losing side. Who thinks Hitler would not have used nuclear bombs, even when the Russians were planting their flag over Berlin's Reichstag Building.
 
in the tv series "firefly" there is a lot of chinese spoken and I forget why!

In the 1930s my father read comic books about men on the moon and flash gordon. today we do what was in those books,. today we read those comics and watch tv about space travel faster than light and alien cultures, havent gotten there yet but just wait for it. china is heading for the moon, japanese not far behind, india is watching mars and we are still trying to get off the ground!
 

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