Woman dead for 8 minutes reveals consciousness continues

A guy goes on Monday morning to see his Doctor...

Doctor: "Do you want the good news or the bad news?|

Patient:" Give me the good news."

Doctor: "The good news is you've got 3 days to live."

Patient: "What?! Then what's the bad news!!?"

Doctor: "Your file has been on my desk since Friday afternoon."
 

papa tiger said:
Most likely the eye lids open, the eyes continue to transmit images and light long after the heart stops beating.
Thats what those are aware of as going towards the light. Even if the eyelid's are pushed closed the eye still is
aware of the bright lights shined at them.
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As a child I would often dream of a bright blinding light, like a sun in my eyes and would wake up complaining about it to my mother.
I think it was the hall light shining through my eyelids from the position of my bed.

We now know that such lights on a growing eyeball can cause the extreme near sightedness my brother (who I slept with) and I had. The other brother with the light behind his bed, never needed glasses at all.
 
@Babs2u @Marcy Sheiner and anyone else able to consider possibilities:
i highly recommend, as i have else on SF, "The Field" by Lynne McTaggart. It touches on the concept of 'collective' or universal consciousness without insisting on a specific label. Part of what appealed to me about it was the experiments conducted that suggest it's existence.
 
@Marcy Sheiner
Couldn't find the detailed description i remember posting not that long after i joined, likely in a thread started by OneEyedDiva. In some ways it as surreal in that i felt myself mental/emotionally i couldn't feel or perceive my body. Other parts were almost like movie or stage play sets.

The books "The AfterLife of Billy Fingers" which is billed as after death experiences a spirit shared with his sister has some of the elements, and Richard Matheson's "What Dream's May Come" which was made into a movie with Robin Williams both illustrate some of the fluidiy.

I'm thinking in next week or so i will try to write as clear and sequential an account as i can as a 'Diary' forum entry so it will be easier to find since new influxes of members often mean revisiting of the topic. In the meantime, i did find a post about when i felt i'd revisited that other state of being that gives some info.

"...about 4-5 yrs later at a time in my life when i was meditating a minimum of 3 times a day, and taking a course in Past Life Regression from the Silva Method people (i actually won it at a convention the previous summer) i 'revisited' my NDE somewhat.

In Silva classes they often have people work in pairs (one as an 'Orienter' and observer, one as the person going to 'level'--functioning/producing Alpha brain waves) when doing things like remote healings or past life regressions. But the instructors will sometimes pause to respond to an Orienter's question. Me, i go deep, fast and can keep tabs on what's happening in the room while also 'drifting' or exploring the mental/emotional 'space' i'm occupying. This time the pause was when the active participants were already taken to the 'Bardo' or 'between lives' place.

For me it was kind of like being out in the universe (as original NDE had been too with some 'physical' places manifesting too). i was floating about exploring when a bright light caught my attention, moving toward it looked like a sphere of mostly white light with dots of light moving in and out of it. As i got closer i could tell the white light perception was created by millions of lights of all colors, that blending from distance made white light.

When i crossed the 'edge' of the sphere i was overwhelmed by unconditional love, like during my NDE. i realized i was in that 'place' where i'd been. Tears of joy rolled down my face. My Orienter became concerned and asked if i was ok. i was able to reply in the affirmative, said i would explain later as i wanted to enjoy where i was until class was moving on. When it did i withdrew from that 'place' and focused on the class work. But this was so significant for me because i realized i could go 'there' whenever i wanted. Feel that peace, joy, love."
 
feywon said:
@Babs2u @Marcy Sheiner and anyone else able to consider possibilities:
i highly recommend, as i have else on SF, "The Field" by Lynne McTaggart. It touches on the concept of 'collective' or universal consciousness without insisting on a specific label. Part of what appealed to me about it was the experiments conducted that suggest it's existence.
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Thanks. Also the writings of Carl Jung.
 
People's organs don't all die at the same instant. The brain can be "alive" about 6 minutes after the heart stopped. And even the brain is not a single organ, it is composed of multiple lobes and sections, which all "die" at certain rates. Having no pulse or breathing is "clinical death", recovery is possible. Brain death is considered being "dead", no recovery of any higher functions is possible.
 
I am not a doctor. Let me be clear about that.

But I have enough education to know that a dead cell is dead, and under normal conditions, if you're not breathing for 5 minutes, you're either gone or hopelessly brain damaged.
 
Luce said:
I am not a doctor. Let me be clear about that.

But I have enough education to know that a dead cell is dead, and under normal conditions, if you're not breathing for 5 minutes, you're either gone or hopelessly brain damaged.
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Near-death experiences (NDEs) occur in patients who have been close to death, sometimes during periods of low oxygen. However, the preservation or restoration of brain activity is essential for generating and retaining NDE memories. While the occurrence of complex conscious experiences (such as NDEs) despite severe brain stress has been studied, the underlying brain function during the event has never been completely absent.

However, it has been suggested that during NDEs, the brain's inhibitory functions diminish or fail, leading to heightened perception or exaggerated neural activity. This theory is plausible and supported by scientific research. Studies indicate that, as the brain undergoes oxygen deprivation and energy conservation during the process of dying, it loses normal inhibitory control, particularly in areas such as the visual system. This loss of inhibition, or 'disinhibition', can cause the overactivation of brain circuits, resulting in phenomena such as the perception of bright light or other vivid sensory experiences reported in NDEs.

Disinhibition may also affect memory and emotional areas of the brain, which could explain reports of life review, out-of-body sensations and profound feelings of peace. The neurochemical environment changes dramatically during this process, including surges in neurotransmitters such as serotonin, which can produce experiences resembling hallucinations or mystical visions.

Neurophysiological recordings in animal models reveal increased high-frequency brain oscillations and cortical activity during the dying process, alongside loss of normal inhibitory function. These findings provide a mechanistic basis for how unconscious or near-unconscious brains might generate such experiences.

Therefore, the idea that a failing inhibitory system in the dying brain leads to amplified sensory and cognitive phenomena is well-grounded in current neuroscience and is a plausible explanation for many NDE characteristics.
 
Stoppelmann said:
Near-death experiences (NDEs) occur in patients who have been close to death, sometimes during periods of low oxygen. However, the preservation or restoration of brain activity is essential for generating and retaining NDE memories. While the occurrence of complex conscious experiences (such as NDEs) despite severe brain stress has been studied, the underlying brain function during the event has never been completely absent.

However, it has been suggested that during NDEs, the brain's inhibitory functions diminish or fail, leading to heightened perception or exaggerated neural activity. This theory is plausible and supported by scientific research. Studies indicate that, as the brain undergoes oxygen deprivation and energy conservation during the process of dying, it loses normal inhibitory control, particularly in areas such as the visual system. This loss of inhibition, or 'disinhibition', can cause the overactivation of brain circuits, resulting in phenomena such as the perception of bright light or other vivid sensory experiences reported in NDEs.

Disinhibition may also affect memory and emotional areas of the brain, which could explain reports of life review, out-of-body sensations and profound feelings of peace. The neurochemical environment changes dramatically during this process, including surges in neurotransmitters such as serotonin, which can produce experiences resembling hallucinations or mystical visions.

Neurophysiological recordings in animal models reveal increased high-frequency brain oscillations and cortical activity during the dying process, alongside loss of normal inhibitory function. These findings provide a mechanistic basis for how unconscious or near-unconscious brains might generate such experiences.

Therefore, the idea that a failing inhibitory system in the dying brain leads to amplified sensory and cognitive phenomena is well-grounded in current neuroscience and is a plausible explanation for many NDE characteristics.
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Kinda like a 🐔 with its head cut off. I agree. :)
 
jokizz999 said:
That’s wild to think about. If consciousness really keeps going after death, it kinda changes how we see everything, right
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It would definately change how I feel about being cremated.:oops:
 

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