WW3 Has Begun... says the media today ...

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Ukraine's former military chief has warned that World War Three is already underway - with Vladimir Putin's autocratic allies, North Korea, Iran and China, openly supporting his forces on the battlefield.

Valery Zaluzhny, who is now Ukraine's envoy to the United Kingdom, told the UP100 award ceremony in Kyiv: 'I believe that in 2024 we can absolutely believe that the Third World War has begun.'

The General said that as of this year, 'Ukraine is no longer facing Russia. Soldiers from North Korea are standing in front of Ukraine.'
He made the comments after reports emerged that around 10,000 soldiers had been sent by Pyongyang to fight alongside Russian troops in the Kursk region, as Moscow aims to replenish its forces and reclaim the territory taken from it three months ago.

Zaluzhny went on to highlight the support Putin's armies had received from Tehran, which has sent thousands of Shahed attack drones to Moscow and also assisted it with the technology to build the drones itself, according to reports.

More than 8,000 Iran-developed drones have been launched since the war began two and a half years ago, Kyiv said in September, with many targeting civilian homes as well as military targets.

'Let's be honest. Already in Ukraine, the Iranian 'Shahedis' are killing civilians absolutely openly, without any shame,' Zaluzhny said, adding that Chinese and North Korean weapons were also being used against his country.

It comes after Moscow's ambassador to the UK declared that Britain is now 'directly involved' in the war after Kyiv's Storm Shadow attack on Russian territory.
Valery Zaluzhny, who is now Ukraine's envoy to the United Kingdom, told a ceremony in Kyiv : 'I believe that in 2024 we can absolutely believe that the Third World War has begun.'
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If nothing else this shows how weak minus nukes and missile technology Russia has become since the first Cold War. They were the ones supplying all the puppet states. This is also why NATO countries shouldn't assume Russia will or is even capable of coming for them. It would be a much more complex undertaking of which Russia seems incapable right now.
 

BRICS is an economic and trade alliance, not a military one from what I can tell. Yes, some may be (or become) military partners, but no means all. It's not equivalent to NATO.

I'm not saying anyone suggested that it is, I merely qualifying what the acronym means because I was unfamiliar with it until seeing it here today.

BRICS member states: Brazil, Russia, India, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Egypt, Ethiopia, and the United Arab Emirates. Apparently it is more akin to the IMF and World Bank than NATO.

International relations | Definition, Theory, History, Examples, & Facts | Britannica
 
StarSong said:
BRICS is an economic and trade alliance, not a military one from what I can tell. Yes, some may be (or become) military partners, but no means all. It's not equivalent to NATO.

I'm not saying anyone suggested that it is, I merely qualifying what the acronym means because I was unfamiliar with it until seeing it here today.

BRICS member states: Brazil, Russia, India, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Egypt, Ethiopia, and the United Arab Emirates. Apparently it is more akin to the IMF and World Bank than NATO.

International relations | Definition, Theory, History, Examples, & Facts | Britannica
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Thank you for making this point. Though they a making agreements they are not directly military aid. But them moving away from reliance on the US is significant. I would hate to N Korea being the main support of Russia. That dude is dangerous. I hope cooler heads will prevail.
 
StarSong said:
BRICS is an economic and trade alliance, not a military one from what I can tell. Yes, some may be (or become) military partners, but no means all. It's not equivalent to NATO.

I'm not saying anyone suggested that it is, I merely qualifying what the acronym means because I was unfamiliar with it until seeing it here today.

BRICS member states: Brazil, Russia, India, China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Egypt, Ethiopia, and the United Arab Emirates. Apparently it is more akin to the IMF and World Bank than NATO.

International relations | Definition, Theory, History, Examples, & Facts | Britannica
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They will fall in line if China demands.
 
gruntlabor said:
They will fall in line if China demands.
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Maybe, maybe not. And China isn't Russia. China has plenty of economic and other problems right now - seems doubtful it will spend a lot of economic or political capital to support Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

A true WWIII will bring about mutually assured destruction, and the big players know that. Game over for everyone.

Outside of a rogue jihadist state with intentions of ending the world to get to all those promised virgins, I don't see WWIII happening anytime soon.
 
StarSong said:
Maybe, maybe not. And China isn't Russia. China has plenty of economic and other problems right now - seems doubtful it will spend a lot of economic or political capital to support Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

A true WWIII will bring about mutually assured destruction, and the big players know that. Game over for everyone.

Outside of a rogue jihadist state with intentions of ending the world to get to all those promised virgins, I don't see WWIII happening anytime soon.
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Once China gets you by the short hairs, you don't say no to them.
Watch it happen!
 
Apparently the celebs who aided and abetted this rush to destruction are fleeing to US to hide. None seem to have headed to the regime they back in Ukraine though. Hmm.
 
So, War is really Economic Blight and Fatigued? ... :coffee: ... + Fatageu ?
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WhatInThe said:
If nothing else this shows how weak minus nukes and missile technology Russia has become since the first Cold War. They were the ones supplying all the puppet states. This is also why NATO countries shouldn't assume Russia will or is even capable of coming for them. It would be a much more complex undertaking of which Russia seems incapable right now.
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Actually as a former spec ops soldier that did more tours than I care to say, I have seen the opposite side of the fence many times. I can assure you they are playing really good poker. The smart ones never, ever play your hand early and never show your poker face.
And unfortunately, I have seen/worked for nato, and know the frailties of their abilities.

Once upon a time in Germany at an intel meeting...overheard that russia famous for underground storage bases already, apparently have one nicknamed simply 'specter' (in english) that holds an exact amount of everything of their top current equip at a 1 to 1 ratio. So for every Sukhoi Su-57 fighter made, actually 2 are made and one not put into operation or even registered. Imagine if true (and I highly suspect this is), double their entire T-14 tanks including the rumored T-14X tanks (2022 version), double the Su-57's, double the nuclear subs. Rumor of an underground sub base in northern russia was semi-confirmed around 2015, as was the number of subs doubled as well.

I believe at the current state of nato, Russia would succeed if it were attacked. Add in North Korea, China, Iran-and I believe a few others would jump on that side as well-there is nothing that would stop them, if that side attacked. Speaking conventional warfare of course.. If it goes ballistic (nukes), well, we all lose.

It's one large ridiculous game played, and the only ones that suffer are those not involved.
 
gruntlabor said:
This thread is a discussion of an imminent WWIII. China is an ally of Russia
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I understand the thread.

I neither believe WWIII is imminent, nor do I believe China will step into a nuclear war to back Russia. The US, then Japan, then South Korea are the nations to whom China exports the most goods.

Jeopardizing their 3 largest export markets (total of nearly 1-1/3 trillion $ per annum) to please Russia ($240 million) would be foolhardy, especially since China's economy is somewhat fragile these days.

Say what you will about Xi Jinping, but he's not a stupid man.

From what I can gather, China and Russia have some loose mutual defense agreements, but aren't allies in the NATO sense of the word. Would Xi back Putin as a full ally in a war that Putin starts? Seems unlikely that Xi would risk bombs raining on Beijing for Putin.
 
StarSong said:
I understand the thread.

I neither believe WWIII is imminent, nor do I believe China will step into a nuclear war to back Russia. The US, then Japan, then South Korea are the nations to whom China exports the most goods.

Jeopardizing their 3 largest export markets (total of nearly 1-1/3 trillion $ per annum) to please Russia ($240 million) would be foolhardy, especially since China's economy is somewhat fragile these days.

Say what you will about Xi Jinping, but he's not a stupid man.

From what I can gather, China and Russia have some loose mutual defense agreements, but aren't allies in the NATO sense of the word. Would Xi back Putin as a full ally in a war that Putin starts? Seems unlikely that Xi would risk bombs raining on Beijing for Putin.
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To be honest a lot of agreements with Russia have been kept despite sanctions. China would not jeopardize much, but no way would the US cancel any agreements with China as 78 percent of all US good come from there. So that would be disastrous for the US.
And there is no chance Russia starts anything. Its the US or UK or Nato that does something foolish.
 
Paco Dennis said:
.. I would hate to N Korea being the main support of Russia. That dude is dangerous. ..
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He's dangerous because he's stupid.

BRICS is basically an alliance of developing nations, nations in financial crisis, nations experiencing social chaos, nations with high unemployment, and/or nations whose people are very dissatisfied with their leaders and/or gov't. And the leaders of these nations are more interested in what's it for them, than in sharing what they have, and most of them are back-stabbers to boot.

I don't see much of a threat.
 
Murrmurr said:
He's dangerous because he's stupid.

BRICS is basically an alliance of developing nations, nations in financial crisis, nations experiencing social chaos, nations with high unemployment, and/or nations whose people are very dissatisfied with their leaders and/or gov't. And the leaders of these nations are more interested in what's it for them, than in sharing what they have, and most of them are back-stabbers to boot.

I don't see much of a threat.
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Yeah KJU in NK is a wacko. Unfortunately he is a good tool to have. Like a rabid dog. Point and set him free he would gladly sacrifice his 20 million man army for Xi or Putin.
 

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