You have more to fear from a sovereign citizen than from ISIS!
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QuickSilver
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Certainly comes as no surprise to me.. Particularly after the standoff at the Bundy Ranch. We definitely have more to fear from our own hyper-armed citizens.
Jackie22
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Yes, too many crazies, too many guns and too many crazies with guns.
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While Democrats, Gabby Giffords, and groups like Moms Demand Action claim that expanding background checks would end mass shootings, The Washington Post looks across the pond and demonstrates that Europe’s expanded background checks prove useless in the face of a booming black market for guns and radicalized Muslims looking to commit terrorist acts.
After all, Europe has expanded background checks and enacted near-total gun bans in certain countries, but the Paris and Copenhagen attacks still took place.
According to WaPo, in Denmark “handguns and semiautomatic rifles are all but banned.” And hunting rifles can only be owned by people “with squeaky-clean backgrounds who have passed a rigorous exam covering everything from gun safety to the mating habits of Denmark’s wildlife.”
Tonni Rigby is one of the two licensed firearms dealers that exist in Copenhagen and he said the book one must read to prepare for a hunting rifle exam is “about 1,000 pages thick.” He added, “You have to know all of it.”
Yet although Denmark’s gun controls are “restrictive” — GunPolicy.org describes France’s controls as “restrictive” as well — Muslim attackers in Paris and Copenhagen had no problem getting the weapons they needed to kill 19 people and wound many others.
European officials now say “there is no clear solution.”
In other words, gun control failed in Paris and Copenhagen just the way it failed at Sandy Hook Elementary, where Adam Lanza went around gun laws by stealing the weapons he used. It failed like it did in the Aurora theater attack where gunman James Holmes passed the background checks which Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) proposed as a way to end violent public attacks. And yes, it failed the way it did on cold January morning in Tucson when background check proponent Gabby Giffords was shot by Jared Loughner — after he passed background checks to acquire his gun.
Europe’s example is out there for us to learn from. The lesson in both cases is that gun control only controls the actions of law-abiding citizens acquiring guns within legal means, and law-abiding citizens were never a threat to begin with.
should work here
While Democrats, Gabby Giffords, and groups like Moms Demand Action claim that expanding background checks would end mass shootings, The Washington Post looks across the pond and demonstrates that Europe’s expanded background checks prove useless in the face of a booming black market for guns and radicalized Muslims looking to commit terrorist acts.
After all, Europe has expanded background checks and enacted near-total gun bans in certain countries, but the Paris and Copenhagen attacks still took place.
According to WaPo, in Denmark “handguns and semiautomatic rifles are all but banned.” And hunting rifles can only be owned by people “with squeaky-clean backgrounds who have passed a rigorous exam covering everything from gun safety to the mating habits of Denmark’s wildlife.”
Tonni Rigby is one of the two licensed firearms dealers that exist in Copenhagen and he said the book one must read to prepare for a hunting rifle exam is “about 1,000 pages thick.” He added, “You have to know all of it.”
Yet although Denmark’s gun controls are “restrictive” — GunPolicy.org describes France’s controls as “restrictive” as well — Muslim attackers in Paris and Copenhagen had no problem getting the weapons they needed to kill 19 people and wound many others.
European officials now say “there is no clear solution.”
In other words, gun control failed in Paris and Copenhagen just the way it failed at Sandy Hook Elementary, where Adam Lanza went around gun laws by stealing the weapons he used. It failed like it did in the Aurora theater attack where gunman James Holmes passed the background checks which Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) proposed as a way to end violent public attacks. And yes, it failed the way it did on cold January morning in Tucson when background check proponent Gabby Giffords was shot by Jared Loughner — after he passed background checks to acquire his gun.
Europe’s example is out there for us to learn from. The lesson in both cases is that gun control only controls the actions of law-abiding citizens acquiring guns within legal means, and law-abiding citizens were never a threat to begin with.
should work here
Don M.
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Gun control measures are a good way to reduce the number of weapons in the hands of responsible people who will be very unlikely to ever use those weapons in an illegal manner. The criminals and nutcases can Always find all the weapons they need, no matter what kind of laws are in place.
insofar as this recent news release about "Sovereign Citizens" is concerned...this administration is trying every way possible to divert attention away from Obama's recent Weak statements about ISIS and Islamic Terrorism.
insofar as this recent news release about "Sovereign Citizens" is concerned...this administration is trying every way possible to divert attention away from Obama's recent Weak statements about ISIS and Islamic Terrorism.
QuickSilver
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That's for sure!! Just ask Bin Laden..... oh..wait..................................never mind
Did the White House press secretary release this statement? I could not find any sources....except for the hate-Obama websites.
Don M.
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If you do a search on "Obama statements about Islam", you can find several. Here is just One...in his own words...as broadcast on CNN. It is full of his usual "Um's and Ah's", and really says nothing of substance.
http://therightscoop.com/obama-defe...out-isis-video-burning-jordan-pilot-to-death/
But then, given the heat he took after his "Red Line" regarding Syrian use of chemical weapons, he is probably Very Reluctant to make any concrete statements.
http://therightscoop.com/obama-defe...out-isis-video-burning-jordan-pilot-to-death/
But then, given the heat he took after his "Red Line" regarding Syrian use of chemical weapons, he is probably Very Reluctant to make any concrete statements.
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GeneMO
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I use to have a lot of guns, reloaded, made my own bullets, etc. Alas, all of my guns were stolen by a band of traveling gypsies. I never replaced them. I dont even have a bb gun.
Gene
Gene
Don M.
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You're a rarity in rural Missouri..or anywhere in rural America. Most of the people who live in our heavily forested area are hunters, and virtually every household has firearms. There is one road in/out of this enclave, and should someone ever come down into this area and try to create a problem, there is a good possibility they might not make it back to the highway.
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But maybe with gun control laws seriously strengthened, you at least would eliminate the stupid, accidental deaths that we hear about sometimes. Aren't those lives worth something even at the expense of additional inconvenience for the people who insist on owning guns?
I completely agree, and if the $hit hits the fan with these terrorist attacks in the US, the government and the anti-gun folks will be happy there's some of us who will shoot to kill before they get their heads loped off. If the radical activity starts happening often here at home, those terrorists will be in for a surprise....and that's the way it should be, IMO.
GeneMO
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rt3, man, lots of that going around, I know several folks on other forums that lost their guns in boating accidents. One fool was in a canoe, out on the Chesapeak bay with like 40 long guns, lost em all. Those canoes are not real stable.
Don, have I asked you where you are located? I live near Jefferson City, but my farms are outside of Pilot Grove.
Gene
Don, have I asked you where you are located? I live near Jefferson City, but my farms are outside of Pilot Grove.
Gene
GeneMO
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Debby, that sounds good in theory. So lets try applying your theory to another source of many, many tragic deaths. Automobile accidents.
Using that same logic, maybe people who cannot change their own oil, change a tire, and replace their own brake pads are not mechanical enough to be trusted to drive an automobile.
Maybe people who text, smoke, drink coffee, eat a cheese burger and fard all at the same time should not be allowed to drive.
People over 60 probably do not have the reflexes or agility to drive.
So using that logic, should we ban all those folks from driving??
Gene
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I don't agree Gene. In Canada, you have to actually take a course where you learn all about the safe handling of guns, storage, laws concerning them, etc., and then you write a test. You have to be a member of a local gun club and then the police phone your references to make sure you aren't displaying aberrant behaviour or maybe have other 'issues' that are relevant, probably do a criminal check too ..... and after all that, which can take a few weeks...you get your license to own one. And at no time in the course my husband took did they talk about how to do repairs to their guns. So in Canada anyway, your example would be flawed. It isn't necessary to know how to change the oil to operate a car safely, whereas steering, parking, road laws, etc., are necessary you know what I mean?
I have heard, and I may be mistaken or maybe it's only like this in certain states, I have heard that you can walk into a gun show, pay the man, fill out a form and then fifteen minutes later come back and pick up your purchase. If I'm wrong on that, I'd appreciate the clarification.
In Canada, you even have to get a permit to transport a gun so you wouldn't even be able to legally just walk away with your purchase to go home. My husband had a gun and when he sold it last year, his friend who happens to have been in the RCMP many decades ago, was rather concerned that he hadn't bothered to get a permit to transport it to the gun shop.
GeneMO
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OK, we'll take the safety and mechanical ability out. People who are ticketed for "Careless and Imprudent driving", Driving while drunk, speeding, using a car to flee from police, using a car to commit a crime, and you are banned from owning a car. That more to your liking?
And it appears you are not from the US, so I will let you in on our gun buying methods. Years ago they came up with a National Instant Background Check. You go in to buy a gun, the dealer phones your info in, and they have a link to the crime stats, police records, etc. If you are a crook, you can't buy a gun.
Not to fear if you are a crook, cause they dont follow the rules anyway, they just steal the guns, or buy one already stolen by someone else.
Gene
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Back to the original subject -- I'd a helluva lot rather face somebody with a gun than a bunch of ISIS guys who want to burn me alive!
As long as there are seriously bad guys out there with guns, I'll keep mine, thank you.
AND, BTW, I'm sure all of those seriously bad guys will worry a whole lot about whether or not they have a permit, should one be required.
As long as there are seriously bad guys out there with guns, I'll keep mine, thank you.
AND, BTW, I'm sure all of those seriously bad guys will worry a whole lot about whether or not they have a permit, should one be required.