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My state requires masks to enter stores, businesses, etc., and requires businesses to ensure that customers comply. The matter was litigated all the way up to our state supreme court, which ruled (fairly quickly for a change -- it usually takes them forever to rule on a case) that under our state constitution the governor has the authority to so order during a pandemic and to assess and collect fines against those who do not comply (both the business and the customer).
 

Murrmurr said:
True, when refusing customers is based on the business owner's bias, the business owner runs the risk of losing business. The success of ones business relies heavily on getting and keeping customers. If you want to stay in business you have to offer what customers want, and you have to set your biases aside and take care of them.

But also you have to keep your shop safe and clean, and that's exclusively what the shirt, shoes, and mask signs are all about.
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What about all the mask-wearing customers who chose to take their business elsewhere, because one shop-owner DIDN'T enforce the rule?
 

Yes they are right to refuse service to unmasked people.

Unfortunately it cannot be policed properly, one of the
supermarket chains here, the Cooperative, told the staff
to refuse service to those without and that led to upsets
and in one case a cashier was slapped.

They, the Cooperative, then changed the policy and since
then, people wearing masks are unhappy that the staff are
serving those without.

That is a "No-Win" situation.

Still wear a mask, PLEASE.

Mike.
 
Rosemarie said:
What about all the mask-wearing customers who chose to take their business elsewhere, because one shop-owner DIDN'T enforce the rule?
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It's the state and/or county health departments who define the mandates, and the sheriff's office that enforces the mandates. When the signs were first posted where I shop for groceries, a police car sat right outside the door for a few months and there are 2 or 3 parked at Walmart at all times.

Small "essential" businesses that don't enforce it themselves run the risk of being closed down. As for taking ones business elsewhere, that's always an option.
 
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Mike said:
Yes they are right to refuse service to unmasked people.

Unfortunately it cannot be policed properly, one of the
supermarket chains here, the Cooperative, told the staff
to refuse service to those without and that led to upsets
and in one case a cashier was slapped.

They, the Cooperative, then changed the policy and since
then, people wearing masks are unhappy that the staff are
serving those without.

That is a "No-Win" situation.

Still wear a mask, PLEASE.

Mike.
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At least in my state and county, proper policing isn't a problem.
A federal agency called OSHA and all state and/or county health departments inspect all businesses to make sure they adhere to health and safety laws, including COVID-19 guidelines.
Any person who slaps a store or shop employee for any reason is subject to being arrested and charged with assault.
 
rgp said:
So then you agree with baker & the photographer that refused to do business with the gay guys a few years back ?

Last I heard, both were forced out of business.
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No, I would check on that about being closed. They refused for religious reasons so it is fine with me. The food chain Chick-fil-A is closed on Sundays and stood up against pressure from the gay movement. In response to threats from the gay community the restaurants were packed with customers in an effort to shut the gays up and it worked just fine as they are all still open doing very well and still closed on Sundays :)
 
horseless carriage said:
Charry, all retail stores and places of public retail like cinemas, theatres, heritage railways, travelling circus and many more, have the right to refuse entry to anyone. But in practice such establishments may leave themselves open to litigation against all the various groups that have fought for their rights over the years. The right to refuse anyone is usually only as a last resort to someone such as a persistent shop lifter or fare.
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As a matter of law, they just can't refuse service to "anyone", restrictions apply, if we are talking in the United States that is.
 
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Throughout the Coronavirus, I have been a faithful user and advocate for wearing masks. As we embark on receiving vaccines and am now being warned that wearing masks may not subside, I am beginning to think a little differently. Wasn't the whole idea behind getting the vaccine was that we would have our freedom back and the need for wearing a mask would go away? What happened to that intention?
 
I have a medical exemption but have not been able to shop in a grocery store in my own state since last April. A friend of mine who is the manager of a local Whole Foods where I used to shop invited me in to shop mask free, no questions asked, in her store last summer and this made me wonder how strict this rule really needs to be, but I declined because I'm sick of being treated like a villain and I'm sure some other customers would feel like many of you do here that I have no right to shop at all unless I wear a mask which I cannot do.
 
Murrmurr said:
At least in my state and county, proper policing isn't a problem.
A federal agency called OSHA and all state and/or county health departments inspect all businesses to make sure they adhere to health and safety laws, including COVID-19 guidelines.
Any person who slaps a store or shop employee for any reason is subject to being arrested and charged with assault.
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What about the security guard who was shot and killed for trying to enforce the law? Police can't be outside every store and while they may show up after the fact what good does that do the dead security guard? The mask mandate is a good idea, imo without a good way to enforce it.
 
Murrmurr said:
At least in my state and county, proper policing isn't a problem.
A federal agency called OSHA and all state and/or county health departments inspect all businesses to make sure they adhere to health and safety laws, including COVID-19 guidelines.
Any person who slaps a store or shop employee for any reason is subject to being arrested and charged with assault.
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garyt1957 said:
What about the security guard who was shot and killed for trying to enforce the law? Police can't be outside every store and while they may show up after the fact what good does that do the dead security guard? The mask mandate is a good idea, imo without a good way to enforce it.
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I was addressing a physical assault. Assaults happen every day, all over. They're volatile situations. I wonder if the the place where that security guard got shot now has police presence. Or maybe they no longer insist their customers wear a mask.
 
oldman said:
Throughout the Coronavirus, I have been a faithful user and advocate for wearing masks. As we embark on receiving vaccines and am now being warned that wearing masks may not subside, I am beginning to think a little differently. Wasn't the whole idea behind getting the vaccine was that we would have our freedom back and the need for wearing a mask would go away? What happened to that intention?
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One of several reasons thinking people aren't buying what they're feeding us.
 
Think wearing the mask "after full vaccination" is to be sure the person isn't transferring viral infections to others. Once the virus load gets beat down enough, masks will probably be optional.

Moderna has done some research on this, as the vaccine makers didn't specifically look for it when doing clinical testing:


Moderna did test trial volunteers on the day they got their second shots. And the findings

suggested that there were fewer asymptomatic infections among participants who'd received the real vaccine than

among those who got a placebo. Just 14 people of the 14,000-plus in the trial's vaccine group had asymptomatic cases

that day, compared to 38 of the similarly sized placebo group.
 
oldman said:
Throughout the Coronavirus, I have been a faithful user and advocate for wearing masks. As we embark on receiving vaccines and am now being warned that wearing masks may not subside, I am beginning to think a little differently. Wasn't the whole idea behind getting the vaccine was that we would have our freedom back and the need for wearing a mask would go away? What happened to that intention?
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The problem is you gave up your freedom.
They don't want to give it back.
 
Think the scientists are trying to get a handle on this nasty killer any way they can. When its viewed from a personal nature by those of us that have been cooped up for a year now, it can certainly seem freedom is being infringed upon. Still think when we beat the bug down - get the R factor to miniscule figure and it will be a whole different ball game. Hopefully it will be in our rear view mirror. These are definitely the historical times. Will be written about for many many years to come, we are living in the days history will record. Sure hope it helps our grandkids!
 
Murrmurr said:
I was addressing a physical assault. Assaults happen every day, all over. They're volatile situations. I wonder if the the place where that security guard got shot now has police presence. Or maybe they no longer insist their customers wear a mask.
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The state mandates you wear a mask in stores, here. But they unfairly leave enforcement to the stores. So that poor security guard barely making minimum wage gets shot. The grocery store near me has an employee at the entrance checking for masks. The other day it was some little older guy. All it takes is one A-hole who gets mad and gives him a shove. The guy falls and hits his head and if he doesn't die he might be incapacitated for life. For $12 an hour? Sure the attacker will be prosecuted but what good does that do the worker? Again, is the mask mandate a good thing? IMO, yes it is. But enforcing it is the problem.
 
garyt1957 said:
The state mandates you wear a mask in stores, here. But they unfairly leave enforcement to the stores. So that poor security guard barely making minimum wage gets shot. The grocery store near me has an employee at the entrance checking for masks. The other day it was some little older guy. All it takes is one A-hole who gets mad and gives him a shove. The guy falls and hits his head and if he doesn't die he might be incapacitated for life. For $12 an hour? Sure the attacker will be prosecuted but what good does that do the worker? Again, is the mask mandate a good thing? IMO, yes it is. But enforcing it is the problem.
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Here in Sacramento, Calif, there was a city cop at many but not all of the chain grocery stores and some downtown businesses during the first few months. I guess Sac could afford it...maybe only in the rougher areas.
 

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