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old medic said:
Like I said... I may not agree with the reasoning behind it... But agree the owner of a private business should not be forced to provide
Goods and or services against their beliefs or will....
The fact the government was allowed to step in and ultimately forced them out of business scares the hell out of me.
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I understand & agree !
 

Sunny said:
That baker and photographer who refused service to a gay couple is completely off the subject of this thread! Why not start a separate topic if you want to discuss that?
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That is your opinion, to which I disagree.
 

Frankly I see no reason why they aren't well within their rights to ask customers for the no shirt no shoes no mask policy. If the workers have to wear masks to protect you we have the same right to be protected against you when you come in for services.

You guys have the option to stay home. We don't. You have no idea what we're going through to continue serving you.

Frankly I wish more people would stay the hell home. Covid can kill you. Staying home isn't gonna kill you.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
If you want to live in a civilized society, you have to abide by the rules. Nobody says you have to enjoy the rules, only the benefit of what a civilized society provides. If you want unbridled freedom to do whatever you feel, you live alone in the jungle. You can't do both.
And quite frankly, wearing a mask to stop more millions from getting the virus, is not a bone crushing request. It don't believe anyone's life has been upended by that request, and I doubt that wearing a mask will cause significant post traumatic stress symptoms.
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Beautifully said.
 
Chet said:
In a related issue, social media sites like Facebook apparently have a right to control free speech because they are a private business, which should settle the facemask issue right there about what private businesses can do.
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They are in no way infringing on anyone's right to free speech. Just because someone wants to say it doesn't mean they must be forced to broadcast what they have to say. The person can still say it, email it, send it in snail mail or call people and tell them what they have to say. I feel Facebook and other social media sites and businesses are well within their rights to restrict messages to one they feel are appropriate for their business.
 
old medic said:
Like I said... I may not agree with the reasoning behind it... But agree the owner of a private business should not be forced to provide
Goods and or services against their beliefs or will....
The fact the government was allowed to step in and ultimately forced them out of business scares the hell out of me.
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The government didn't force them out of business, their customers decided to vote with their feet and wallets, and spent their money elsewhere.

Owners of private businesses must operate within the laws of the land - and there are plenty of them.

Segregation, including separate lunch counters, drinking fountains and restrooms were occurring within private businesses until the government stepped in and said, NO MORE!
 
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StarSong said:
The government didn't force them out of business, their customers decided to vote with their feet and wallet, and spent their money elsewhere.

Owners of private businesses must operate within the laws of the land - and there are plenty of them.

Segregation, including separate lunch counters, drinking fountains and restrooms were occurring within private businesses until the government stepped in and said, NO MORE!
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True, when refusing customers is based on the business owner's bias, the business owner runs the risk of losing business. The success of ones business relies heavily on getting and keeping customers. If you want to stay in business you have to offer what customers want, and you have to set your biases aside and take care of them.

But also you have to keep your shop safe and clean, and that's exclusively what the shirt, shoes, and mask signs are all about.
 
Murrmurr said:
True, when refusing customers is based on the business owner's bias, the business owner runs the risk of losing business. The success of ones business relies heavily on getting and keeping customers. If you want to stay in business you have to offer what customers want, and you have to set your biases aside and take care of them.

But also you have to keep your shop safe and clean, and that's exclusively what the shirt, shoes, and mask signs are all about.
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Absolutely true. My husband and I owned a manufacturing business that also had a retail component for many years. I also worked retail during my teens and early twenties.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
If you want to live in a civilized society, you have to abide by the rules. Nobody says you have to enjoy the rules, only the benefit of what a civilized society provides. If you want unbridled freedom to do whatever you feel, you live alone in the jungle. You can't do both.
And quite frankly, wearing a mask to stop more millions from getting the virus, is not a bone crushing request. It don't believe anyone's life has been upended by that request, and I doubt that wearing a mask will cause significant post traumatic stress symptoms.
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Exactly! Somehow, I missed this one earlier. I seem to skip around in the forum when the number of new posts goes beyond a certain point. I am glad other folks caught this post and quoted it so I couldn't miss it. :)

Tony
 
Murrmurr said:
True, when refusing customers is based on the business owner's bias, the business owner runs the risk of losing business. The success of ones business relies heavily on getting and keeping customers. If you want to stay in business you have to offer what customers want, and you have to set your biases aside and take care of them.

But also you have to keep your shop safe and clean, and that's exclusively what the shirt, shoes, and mask signs are all about.
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Besides very few people want to see other people without shirts on. 🤮
 
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