Botched Execution

Davey Jones

Davey Jones

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AWWW that poor guy had to suffer.
I really dont care how he died as long as he is DEAD.

Clayton Lockett, 38, struggled violently, groaned and writhed after lethal drugs were administered by Oklahoma officials Tuesday night, according to eyewitness accounts. State Corrections Director Robert Patton halted the Lockett's execution, citing vein failure that may have prevented the deadly chemicals from reaching Lockett. He eventually died of a heart attack.


Lockett, who was convicted of shooting 19-year-old Stephanie Neiman and watching two accomplices bury her alive in 1999, was pronounced dead in the execution chamber at 7:06 p.m. CT.
 
I don't know why they can't kill these people with an overdose like they use when they euthanize dogs. Drugs like Phenobarbital will do the job quickly for a person at the right dose. I've had dogs euthanized in the past very peacefully, a sleeping shot can even be given first so there's no chance of stress from the final shot that kills them. The problem here is that doctors aren't administering the shots, from what I understand an unqualified prison guard is doing the job.
 
We've had this discussion before and although I have no problems with the death penalty, doing it as humanly as possible is paramount or we become the monsters, too. Do it quickly, cleanly, quietly without ceremony.
 
We could go back to hanging,thats a fail safe method. All ya need is a rope...oh wait somebody will complain about the type of rope used.
 
Justme said:
Thank goodness we got rid of the death penalty in the UK. No civilised country should have it. Having said that life should mean life for the worst of crimes.
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Can't help but agree with you Justme.
 
Having said that I would want them to go as humanely as my dog...I also believe in doing to a criminal exactly what they have done to their victim. In this case I would have him shot and buried alive, as he did to the 19 year old woman Stephanie. If these people knew that if they were caught, they would suffer with the exact horror that they put their victims through, maybe they'd think twice before committing the crime. At least they would kill in a more humane way, if they knew they may have to follow in their own footsteps.
 
I agree that the death sentence should be able to be done without all that trauma. We have been able to euthanize all sizes of animals from kittens to elephants, for many many years. Ranchers have to have the vet come out and put down an injured horse or cow, and it is done quickly and easily, with no suffering to the animal at all.
Not only that, but we have had lethal injection here for many years, with no problems like this; so I don't understand what has gone wrong now that they can't still do it whatever simple (but effective) way that they have always done it.
As for this murderer, people are saying that maybe it was karma coming back to him, since he killed that poor girl in such a cruel and horrible fashion. I am sure she probably suffered much worse than he did. I don't know if there is such a thing as karma, and I don't believe that an execution should be cruel; but I am glad that it is over and think it was probably just.
 
Davey Jones said:
We could go back to hanging,thats a fail safe method. All ya need is a rope...oh wait somebody will complain about the type of rope used.
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It could be made of hemp - getting the job done while advancing the cultivation of a beneficial weed. ;)

As for the executed individual - good. One less sub-human on the planet.
 
I'm against the death penalty. It has also been proven that the death penalty does not deter crime.

Why don't they administer general anesthesia, then give them the drug that will kill them. It's not like they're putting millions of people to death.
 
Ina said:
Jesus wasn't a murderer, and I believe he was seen to be a good influence on the people around him.
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It has been discovered that a number of executed 'murderers' weren't guilty of the crime either.
Too bad none of them have been able to be resurrected. Collateral damage?
 
Don't joke, Phil. Our government is looking for ways to reduce the cost of caring for seniors.
They haven't thought of executing us yet but don't give them any ideas.
 
Warri, I agree that too many have been wrongly accused, and made to pay the unjust cost. There are extremes in all matters. There are crazy killers out there using their abilities to influence the system into allowing them more chances to harm those around him.
When a system is seen to have become inadequate, it's time we find or build a better system.
 
Back to the topic.

There is apparently no need for this situation.

Physicians have long known that large doses of single drugs — certain sedatives or anesthetics — can take a life painlessly, and with far less distress than the three-drug cocktail causes if the injection is botched.

Since 2010, more death-penalty states — Oklahoma not among them — have moved to use single drugs for lethal injection. Even critics of the death penalty say most of those executions have gone more smoothly than ones involving multiple drugs.

Barbiturates, including sodium thiopental and pentobarbital, infused into the bloodstream can quickly make a person go deeply unconscious, stop breathing and die. Dr. Mark J. Heath, an anesthesiologist at Columbia University and an expert on lethal injection, said that high doses of pentobarbital were routinely used to euthanize animals, from pet rabbits to beached whales.

Barbiturates alone have been used in 71 executions, in Arizona, Georgia, Idaho, Missouri, Ohio, South Dakota, Texas and Washington, said Jennifer Moreno, a lawyer with the Death Penalty Clinic at Berkeley Law School.
Even though Dr. Heath opposes lethal injection, he said, “I have not seen a single complaint, not an unhappy warden or family or anybody, from the single-drug barbiturate approach.”

But he said that switching to a single drug would not fix all the problems with lethal injection because intravenous lines would still be needed. Starting them can be difficult and requires medical skill.

The three-drug combination used on Mr. Lockett was modeled on a plan first developed in Oklahoma in 1977 by Dr. Jay Chapman, then the state’s chief medical examiner. State lawmakers had asked him if there was a more humane way to execute people than methods like electrocution and the firing squad.

Dr. Chapman proposed a large dose of a barbiturate, sodium thiopental, followed by two other drugs: one to cause paralysis and halt breathing, and the other, potassium chloride, to stop the heart. His recipe was adopted by nearly every death-penalty state.

In later years, Dr. Chapman said that if he had it to do over again, he would probably recommend using just a barbiturate, and omit the paralyzing and heart-stopping drugs. But his protocol has lingered

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/02/s...njections-despite-ease-of-using-one.html?_r=0
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It would seem that all that is needed is a single sedative given as an overdose and someone with medical training to find the vein. It that too hard to arrange?
 
Some of the people hanged in the UK, before the death penalty was scrapped, were later thought not to have committed the crimes for which they had been executed.
 
That is the reason that I oppose the death penalty, Justme, but if it is what must be done under the law then the taking of the life is the penalty. There is no excuse for torturing the condemned person before execution, no matter what crime he or she is guilty of.
 
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