Canada Legalizes Marijuana Nationwide

[Keesha]

Huge boost in the economy like I never dreamed of? That's a myth. I have yet to see it. I could never invest in anything that is harmful.

You haven't mentioned the social cost. You don't even realize hat the government is controlling you. It's easy to control a dumbed down populatin. It certainly doesn't make people smarter.

Yes we know and harmful. So why introduce more. Look at the social cost of alcohol. I'm addicted to gambling since they made it legal. Never bothered with it before. Get my drift?

Yes it has been building up our financial economy.


https://www.google.ca/amp/s/theecon...legalization-will-affect-canadas-economy/amp/


How do you figure the government is controlling me?


The only thing that’s changed for me is that I don’t necessarily have to get a prescription from my doctor since everyone can grow now.


The things with you , is that you ignore all the new info added into the conversation. Canada legalized marijuana and the statistics prove that nothings changed except now Canada is making a lot more revenue.


The fact that Canada legalized gambling isn’t what made you addicted to gambling. You are addicted to gambling because you drink alcohol and have no impulse control so you are projecting your lack of control on an entire country which has no logic to it whatsoever.


It never bothered you before? Get your drift?
No! I DO NOT get your drift?

Canada legalizing gambling didn’t dumb you down to start drinking and gambling.

That was already there already when you decided to take advantage of it. Don’t blame the government for YOUR lack of impulse control.

 

[Camper6]

Yes it has been building up our financial economy.


https://www.google.ca/amp/s/theecon...legalization-will-affect-canadas-economy/amp/


How do you figure the government is controlling me?


The only thing that’s changed for me is that I don’t necessarily have to get a prescription from my doctor since everyone can grow now.


The things with you , is that you ignore all the new info added into the conversation. Canada legalized marijuana and the statistics prove that nothings changed except now Canada is making a lot more revenue.


The fact that Canada legalized gambling isn’t what made you addicted to gambling. You are addicted to gambling because you drink alcohol and have no impulse control so you are projecting your lack of control on an entire country which has no logic to it whatsoever.


It never bothered you before? Get your drift?
No! I DO NOT get your drift?

Canada legalizing gambling didn’t dumb you down to start drinking and gambling.

That was already there already when you decided to take advantage of it. Don’t blame the government for YOUR lack of impulse control.

I have to laugh at you. Your addiction to marijuana has made you loquacious. You just can't seem to stop talking. Either that or you were inoculated with a gramaphone needle.

Now let me explain. Until something is legal a lot of people (unlike you) don't like to break the law to try something.

So when they make pot legal people who haven't tried it before will and some will get addicted.

And it's the same with gambling. Until it was legal gambling was not a forum of entertainment for the majority of the population and many became addicted with financial horrors to their lives.

And it will be the same with marijuana.

And we already know about alcohol. The newspaper is loaded with AA meeting notices.

If you think marijuana is harmless and something to be celebrated you are ignoring the social costs.

Canada 2nd in the world joining a third world country.

 

[Keesha]

Is this a joke? There is no roadside test for marijuana like there is for alcohol. So if a policeman stops a vehicle for speeding and smells marijuana, what test do they apply to determine if there is impairment? Answer. None.

So how can you say they haven't noticed a spike. They don't have a clue. Is anybody that naive that they think that drivers don't drive under the impairment of marijuana and maybe even combine it with a few shots of vodka?

I was against the legalization because medical marijuana has always been available in Canada.

So what have we gained. Because it's legal now, people will try it. Dumbing down the population of Canada is not my idea of making Canada proud. Anything that impairs the mind is harmful and especially in young people. So how do you keep it away from them? The celebration is way too early. We need to wait for the long term effects that we realized in smoking.

And here Canadian government are doing everything they can to minimize smoking tobacco. They even hide the cigaratte packages that are plastered with warnings. It is so hypocritical. Taking anything into your lungs is harmful. You don't have to be a scientist to realize that.

So what are we doing to stop people from smoking weed? And don't give me that other stuff that you can get it in cookies.

The fun is passing a joint around. Talk about unsanitary. Never in a million years would I have thought a party running on the cannabis issue would get elected.

They catered to the lowest common denominator.

If the Liberals get elected again I will move to another country. Perhaps Afghanistan where I can grow my own poppies.

Thanks for letting me vent. I enjoyed every minute of it.

You don’t consider THIS rambling?:lofl:

I have to laugh at you. Your addiction to marijuana has made you loquacious. You just can't seem to stop talking. Either that or you were inoculated with a gramaphone needle.

Now let me explain. Until something is legal a lot of people (unlike you) don't like to break the law to try something.

So when they make pot legal people who haven't tried it before will and some will get addicted.

And it's the same with gambling. Until it was legal gambling was not a forum of entertainment for the majority of the population and many became addicted with financial horrors to their lives.

And it will be the same with marijuana.

And we already know about alcohol. The newspaper is loaded with AA meeting notices.

If you think marijuana is harmless and something to be celebrated you are ignoring the social costs.

Canada 2nd in the world joining a third world country.

The thing I’ve discovered with debating with you is that you argue with vague claims and no evidence to back up your claims like legalizing cannabis is dumbing down Canada yet show no facts to back up your claims which concludes to nothing but rambling so I find it quite ironic that you’d use some fancy word, which you probably never use, for rambling but that’s ALL you do here.

To declare that legalizing Cannabis has dumbed down the country is grossly discrediting your fellow Canadian.

And I have to laugh at your gullibility if you think most of Canada’s population waited for Cannabis to become legal before trying it which is another reason why debating this topic with you is pointless. Before cannabis became legal Canada was viewed as the top contender for countries using it, meaning millions of people were using illegally. So YES ( just like me ) people WERE breaking the law. Now that it’s legal, nothing has changed.

When gambling was made legal it didn’t encourage me to drink and go out gambling and even if it did I wouldn’t blame the government for a choice that I made which otherwise had bad consequences. You don’t like the consequences of drinking and gambling. I’m ok with doing a bit of cannabis now and again. I’m not hurting anyone nor is it impacting my life negatively.

Another thing is , you are once again , comparing alcohol ,which has claimed millions of lives , to cannabis , which has claimed none.

No comparison in the least.

 

[fuzzybuddy]

I believe people are missing an important point in the grass issue. Canada is making it legal. Cannabis use already exists. Whatever monetary incentives already exists, so there's no big tax windfall for governments. Since people are using it, the social costs already exists. What has changed is that it is no longer acceptable enforcing inane anti-cannabis use laws. It is stupid not to use the realities about human behavior, which Prohibition taught us.

 

[Shalimar]

I have been using cannabis since I was eighteen years old. I find it fun, and, on occasion, very helpful in handling the symptoms of my chronic CPTSD. I don’t feel dumbed down in the least, as I have managed to achieve a doctorate in psychology, and become a licensed therapist. As a psychologist I am also expected to keep up with the current advances in my field.

I don’t seem to have an addictive personality, with the possible exception of fruitcake, brown sugar fudge, and scalloped potatoes.lol. Seriously, though, I believe in moderation in all things, works for me, and the majority of people in my profession. Use of cannabis amongst my colleagues is very common, as it among many high stress professions.

 

[fmdog44]

I wonder how many pregnant women will be smoking pot when it is legalized in their states. How many potheads will join the military the freak out form withdrawals?

 

[Keesha]

I have been using cannabis since I was eighteen years old. I find it fun, and, on occasion, very helpful in handling the symptoms of my chronic CPTSD. I don’t feel dumbed down in the least, as I have managed to achieve a doctorate in psychology, and become a licensed therapist. As a psychologist I am also expected to keep up with the current advances in my field.

I don’t seem to have an addictive personality, with the possible exception of fruitcake, brown sugar fudge, and scalloped potatoes.lol. Seriously, though, I believe in moderation in all things, works for me, and the majority of people in my profession. Use of cannabis amongst my colleagues is very common, as it among many high stress professions.

Ewww... you like fruitcake?layful:nthego:

 

[Shalimar]

I looove it. So glad u don’t. More for meeeee.

 

[Keesha]

I looove it. So glad u don’t. More for meeeee.

Perfect. I’ll send you all the ones I get to you then. :grin:

 

[Camper6]

Yes it has been building up our financial economy.


https://www.google.ca/amp/s/theecon...legalization-will-affect-canadas-economy/amp/


How do you figure the government is controlling me?


The only thing that’s changed for me is that I don’t necessarily have to get a prescription from my doctor since everyone can grow now.


The things with you , is that you ignore all the new info added into the conversation. Canada legalized marijuana and the statistics prove that nothings changed except now Canada is making a lot more revenue.


The fact that Canada legalized gambling isn’t what made you addicted to gambling. You are addicted to gambling because you drink alcohol and have no impulse control so you are projecting your lack of control on an entire country which has no logic to it whatsoever.


It never bothered you before? Get your drift?
No! I DO NOT get your drift?

Canada legalizing gambling didn’t dumb you down to start drinking and gambling.

That was already there already when you decided to take advantage of it. Don’t blame the government for YOUR lack of impulse control.

You still don't get it. Before it was legal people didn't want to break the law. When it became legal people tried it and got hooked. That applies to everything including gambling and pot and liquor.

Has it helped or hindered development? Why isn't it legal for minors?

Your lack of impulse control allowed yourself to use it illegally.

 

[Shalimar]

Perfect. I’ll send you all the ones I get to you then. :grin:

Please do.

 

[Camper6]

CBD OIl has a negative effect on the liver. According to you Keesha there are no side effects at all to pot and all it's products.

You are living in a fantasy world probably from the effects of long term use of cannabis and all the related products.

 

[Camper6]

You don’t consider THIS rambling?:lofl:



The thing I’ve discovered with debating with you is that you argue with vague claims and no evidence to back up your claims like legalizing cannabis is dumbing down Canada yet show no facts to back up your claims which concludes to nothing but rambling so I find it quite ironic that you’d use some fancy word, which you probably never use, for rambling but that’s ALL you do here.

To declare that legalizing Cannabis has dumbed down the country is grossly discrediting your fellow Canadian.

And I have to laugh at your gullibility if you think most of Canada’s population waited for Cannabis to become legal before trying it which is another reason why debating this topic with you is pointless. Before cannabis became legal Canada was viewed as the top contender for countries using it, meaning millions of people were using illegally. So YES ( just like me ) people WERE breaking the law. Now that it’s legal, nothing has changed.

When gambling was made legal it didn’t encourage me to drink and go out gambling and even if it did I wouldn’t blame the government for a choice that I made which otherwise had bad consequences. You don’t like the consequences of drinking and gambling. I’m ok with doing a bit of cannabis now and again. I’m not hurting anyone nor is it impacting my life negatively.

Another thing is , you are once again , comparing alcohol ,which has claimed millions of lives , to cannabis , which has claimed none.

No comparison in the least.

Well there are some of us still left that refuse to be dumbed down by the use of drugs.

You welcome it with both arms.

From your link.
But the bank also warned that this growth might be an accounting illusion. They warned that some of the cannabis-related trade already happened in the economy, but was never officially recorded in measure of output. Statistics Canada only included “licensed and unlicensed cannabis activity” in their economic calculations after marijuana was legalized, so more time is needed to find out just how much marijuana legalization will benefit the country’s economy.




It might be too early to tell how marijuana legalisation will affect quality of life in Canada. The two countries that legalised marijuana before Canada – the Netherlands and Uruguay – do have relatively high standards of living. Quality of life in the Netherlands has increased over the past 25 years, and Montevideo, capital of Uruguay, is the highest ranking city for quality of life in South America. Much of the studies done have been on mainly on medical marijuana instead of recreational marijuana, and medical marijuana is proven to improve quality of life for people with certain conditions, such as epilepsy.

For medical marijuana I have no problem. If you are on your way out of this world take whatever you want. What difference does it make?

 

[Camper6]

The thing I’ve discovered with debating with you is that you argue with vague claims and no evidence to back up your claims like legalizing cannabis is dumbing down Canada yet show no facts to back up your claims which concludes to nothing but rambling so I find it quite ironic that you’d use some fancy word, which you probably never use, for rambling but that’s ALL you do here.

To declare that legalizing Cannabis has dumbed down the country is grossly discrediting your fellow Canadian.

To date I have not read any scientific papers or anything else indicating that marijuana makes you smarter. So in the absence or any evidence claiming it makes you smarter any mind altering substance is going to make you dumber. I don't need a link for everything I believe in. Links are easy to come by supporting your point of view. If you want to just trade websites be my guest. If you want to debate a topic and use common sense and observation then welcome aboard.

Yep I am discrediting my fellow Canadian especially our Prime Minister. Canada was doing perfectly fine before his short pants theories came into effect merely to get elected.

 

[911]

The Pennsylvania State Police have spent a lot of time training their Troopers about the effects and differences in marijuana, illicit drugs and alcohol. What I could write would only bore everyone to tears and take up a voluminous amount of space. So, just to cut to the chase, I will just state the following. These are NOT my opinions, but what I have learned through the many hours of training.

First, yes, we do have a field test for marijuana when doing a traffic stop. Too long to go into it.

Second, even though MJ gives off many more times the amount of tar and CO and is inhaled more deeply, it is not considered to be a risk causer of COPD and other deep lung tissue diseases because less joints are smoked per day compared to cigarettes. Also, MJ does not contain any nicotine.

MJ is considered to have more health benefits than any other substances.

An MJ impaired driver is less likely to cause a serious accident compared to an alcohol impaired driver because MJ impaired drivers tend to drive much slower than an alcohol impaired driver who normally drives faster. (5000 cases were used for this study)

There is more to this quick overview, but I’ll close by stating that most lab scientists that have been studying the effects of MJ have stated that no long term study has been done on the effects of MJ, so for now, we can only go with what we know for certain and at this time. When a long term study has been completed, these statistics may change.

 

[Camper6]

The Pennsylvania State Police have spent a lot of time training their Troopers about the effects and differences in marijuana, illicit drugs and alcohol. What I could write would only bore everyone to tears and take up a voluminous amount of space. So, just to cut to the chase, I will just state the following. These are NOT my opinions, but what I have learned through the many hours of training

.

Though those are not your opinions you seem to be leaning in the favor of legalization. Many police organizations are opposing legalization.

First, yes, we do have a field test for marijuana when doing a traffic stop. Too long to go into it.

Go into it. According to what I read it's not a simple test like the one for alcohol

Second, even though MJ gives off many more times the amount of tar and CO and is inhaled more deeply, it is not considered to be a risk causer of COPD and other deep lung tissue diseases because less joints are smoked per day compared to cigarettes. Also, MJ does not contain any nicotine.

In my opinion any foreign substance you inhale into your lungs is harmful. I don't agree that it is not considered to be a risk to lung health. And how about an unborn baby still in the womb. Is it safe?

MJ is considered to have more health benefits than any other substances.

Maybe for medical reasons when there is no other choice but we are talking recreational not medicinal.

An MJ impaired driver is less likely to cause a serious accident compared to an alcohol impaired driver because MJ impaired drivers tend to drive much slower than an alcohol impaired driver who normally drives faster. (5000 cases were used for this study)

That I don't believe. Any impaired driver causes a risk to his fellow drivers.

There is more to this quick overview, but I’ll close by stating that most lab scientists that have been studying the effects of MJ have stated that no long term study has been done on the effects of MJ, so for now, we can only go with what we know for certain and at this time. When a long term study has been completed, these statistics may change.

So the jury is still out on it.

There is a difference in the laws in Canada and the U.S. In the U.S. it's state by state.

In Canada it was Federal and when it's Federal there is no choice for a province to opt out. It applies to all. It's forced on everyone whether they like it or not.

Canadian police forces have opposed it and many state police forces have opposed it.

And when they do they get accused of because it's a money grab. Now the issue in Canada is the issue of an off duty police officer being able to indulge. You're supposed to show up ready for work. How long does it stay in the system?

 

[Keesha]

CBD OIl has a negative effect on the liver. According to you Keesha there are no side effects at all to pot and all it's products.

You are living in a fantasy world probably from the effects of long term use of cannabis and all the related products.

I have never , ever said there are no side effects from using cannabis. Not once so if you are going to debate then at least be fair without the personal insults please. I’m not personally insulting you.

 

[Keesha]

Well there are some of us still left that refuse to be dumbed down by the use of drugs.
You welcome it with both arms.

Let’s first clearly define some things


Alcohol is a drug.


It’s classified as an anti depressant that slows down vital functions resulting in slurred speech, unsteady movement, disturbed perceptions and inability to react quickly.
It reduces a persons ability to think rationally and distorts judgment .


Alcohol kills 3 million a year globally
In Canada approximately 4 people are killed due to alcoholic incidents and approximately 90,000 people are hospitalized each year for the same.


You have stated that you have problems with alcohol and gambling. You state that you are addicted and that it’s a problem in your life. YOU state that about yourself. I didn’t.

Studies done on the effects of smoking marijuana done at the National Institute of Drug Abuse shows that there is no conclusive evidence that suggests that it causes lung cancer. It thought to ease pain and inflammation as well as control spasms and seizures. It triggers the brain to release more dopamine , heightens your sense of perception as well as the perception of time. It affects the hippocampus which can impair judgment and short term memory.


It can impair your sense of balance and slows down reaction time. It later increases appetite and causes drowsiness. Addiction is rare but possible.

Sooo we both use drugs that slow down the mind.
One of them has a historical record of killing people. The other doesn’t.

 

[Keesha]

Is this a joke? There is no roadside test for marijuana like there is for alcohol. So if a policeman stops a vehicle for speeding and smells marijuana, what test do they apply to determine if there is impairment? Answer. None.

So how can you say they haven't noticed a spike. They don't have a clue. Is anybody that naive that they think that drivers don't drive under the impairment of marijuana and maybe even combine it with a few shots of vodka?

.

How the police check for drug induced drivers?


If police have reasonable suspicion that a driver is under the influence of drugs the police can demand that the driver complete a standardized field sobriety test ( SFST ) or provide an oral fluid sample test which of part of the bill C - 46 legislation.


If the driver fails then a drug recognition evaluation test will be completed by a specially trained officer and demand a blood
sample for testing.

 

[Camper6]

I have never , ever said there are no side effects from using cannabis. Not once so if you are going to debate then at least be fair without the personal insults please. I’m not personally insulting you.

I am being fair. And your claim that you don't personally insult me is not accurate.

This is one of your comments "concludes to nothing but rambling so I find it quite ironic that you’d use some fancy word, which you probably never use, for rambling but that’s ALL you do here. "

There are other 'shots' that you take. It's called shooting the messenger.

 

[Keesha]

The Pennsylvania State Police have spent a lot of time training their Troopers about the effects and differences in marijuana, illicit drugs and alcohol. What I could write would only bore everyone to tears and take up a voluminous amount of space. So, just to cut to the chase, I will just state the following. These are NOT my opinions, but what I have learned through the many hours of training.

First, yes, we do have a field test for marijuana when doing a traffic stop. Too long to go into it.

Second, even though MJ gives off many more times the amount of tar and CO and is inhaled more deeply, it is not considered to be a risk causer of COPD and other deep lung tissue diseases because less joints are smoked per day compared to cigarettes. Also, MJ does not contain any nicotine.

MJ is considered to have more health benefits than any other substances.

An MJ impaired driver is less likely to cause a serious accident compared to an alcohol impaired driver because MJ impaired drivers tend to drive much slower than an alcohol impaired driver who normally drives faster. (5000 cases were used for this study)

There is more to this quick overview, but I’ll close by stating that most lab scientists that have been studying the effects of MJ have stated that no long term study has been done on the effects of MJ, so for now, we can only go with what we know for certain and at this time. When a long term study has been completed, these statistics may change.

Thank you very much for adding your ‘professional’ information.
It certainly mirrors the research I’ve done on the subject.

 

[Camper6]

How the police check for drug induced drivers?


If police have reasonable suspicion that a driver is under the influence of drugs the police can demand that the driver complete a standardized field sobriety test ( SFST ) or provide an oral fluid sample test which of part of the bill C - 46 legislation.


If the driver fails then a drug recognition evaluation test will be completed by a specially trained officer and demand a blood
sample for testing.

Source Globe and Mail

“With oral-fluid screening, there are some fundamental problems with it,” said Superintendent Scott Baptist, Toronto Police traffic services district commander and co-chair of the Ontario Association of Chiefs of Police traffic-safety committee. “All it’s going to do is confirm that there’s THC in the saliva, that’s it – it doesn’t give an indication of the level of impairment.”

 

[Keesha]

I am being fair. And your claim that you don't personally insult me is not accurate.

This is one of your comments "concludes to nothing but rambling so I find it quite ironic that you’d use some fancy word, which you probably never use, for rambling but that’s ALL you do here. "

There are other 'shots' that you take. It's called shooting the messenger.

That’s not an insult. You merely had a fancy word for the term rambling which I pointed out.
Ok next? :shrug:

If anyone is shooting the messengers here, it’s you. You even had an actually police office who posted actual results from recent tests and studies done on this very topic , which you also criticized and belittled.

 

[Camper6]

Thank you very much for adding your ‘professional’ information.
It certainly mirrors the research I’ve done on the subject.

Would you smoke it while pregnant?

 

[Camper6]

That’s not an insult. You merely had a fancy word for the term rambling which I pointed out.
Ok next? :shrug:

If anyone is shooting the messengers here, it’s you. You even had an actually police office who posted actual results from recent tests and studies done which you also criticized and belittled.

Well now. It was obvious to me if not to you that the poster was obviously in favor of legalization.

I am perfectly entitled to comment on another posters comments. You are being unfair calling it belittling.