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The first that happens when someone is "depressed" is they are prescribed drugs that carry the warning: "This drug may cause suicidal or homicidal tendencies." Almost every school shooter was on Prozac or other anti-depressive
Boy, if that's a fact, that's sure worth pursuing.
 

Violent video games are a scapegoat - another example of blaming an inanimate object that has no will of its own. A simple solution to a complicated problem. Killing is a matter of will, not the availability of objects - like cars, guns, violent movies, fire, or planes.
I saw much-worse violence as a child - & (unlike video games) it was live & real. I have no desire to hurt anyone.
Many people on this forum own firearms. What miraculous intervention prevents them from murdering people?

You’re wrong. Violent video games do have an impact on “some” of our younger people and by that I mean up to about the age of 40 years of age. I don’t think we are going to be able to shut off the flow of these types of games, but the government has the power to add a tax to make these games even more expensive than they are now. That’s not saying that some will not continue to buy them.

Even if we were able to shut off the flow of these violent video games, that alone will not be enough. There really has to be an answer, but what it is, at least for now, is beyond me. What I do know is that I do not and will not leave my home without protection.
 
Violent video games are a scapegoat - another example of blaming an inanimate object that has no will of its own. A simple solution to a complicated problem.
Violent video games played 6 hours a day are not a scapegoat to place blame for mass killings.
Violent video games are a catalyst for mass killings.
 

Boy, if that's a fact, that's sure worth pursuing.

Luvox seems to be the drug most used by young people today. It’s the same as the rest of the drugs in that class.

Before I put my kid on any of those drugs, I would first consider strong counseling without drugs. Even a temporary stay in a mental facility that treats young people with obsessive, compulsive thoughts may be better. Heck, I may even hire a life coach to take care of my child.
 
There several websites that have “pirated” games on them that are available for free downloading. Of course, if you get caught, you better have a big checkbook balance.
 
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I would first consider strong counseling without drugs. Even a temporary stay in a mental facility that treats young people with obsessive, compulsive thoughts may be better.
Mental Health facilities are not working. They are overcrowded and understaffed. In the 1960's, the President shut down most of the mental hospitals. In a later administration more were shut down. The mentally ill hit the streets....thus the reason why we have so many homeless now.
 
The first that happens when someone is "depressed" is they are prescribed drugs that carry the warning: "This drug may cause suicidal or homicidal tendencies." Almost every school shooter was on Prozac or other anti-depressive.
My lady was put on Prozac during our kid's teen years, due to her incessant weeping (she was a stay at home mom).
She turned into a freakin' zombie
Didn't give a sh-t about nuthin'
Told her to go back to weeping
I quit my 2nd the 3rd jobs
We teamed up

They haven't kilt no one yet

I considered takin' them out a time or two
 
Mental Health facilities are not working. They are overcrowded and understaffed. In the 1960's, the President shut down most of the mental hospitals. In a later administration more were shut down. The mentally ill hit the streets....thus the reason why we have so many homeless now.

We have a private mental health facility here in PA that is absolutely wonderful. My brother’s son, my nephew, had severe depression from the time he was 22-28. Finally, my brother asked his psychiatrist about having him housed in a private facility. He recommended Project Transition. My nephew stayed there for about 8 months, continued another year with the psychiatrist and for the last almost 20 years, he has not relapsed. No drugs, but honestly, he did receive some type of medication at the hospital for about 3 months before being weaned off of it.
 
There is also another issue to consider. Being in law enforcement and working both patrol and investigation, I can state to anyone that cares, there has been many times when someone has come forward after a shooting and tell us that they had just spoken to the shooter days before and he talked about shooting someone and they didn’t take them seriously.

As an example, we had a husband kill his wife and denied it right through trial. One of the witnesses had testified that they had spoken with the defendant just a week before his wife was found dead. He stated on the stand that the defendant made the statement that he could just kill Diane for what she is asking for in the divorce.

I do remember after a few of the school shootings that a student did come forward and made the comment that they spoke with the shooter and he made comments that he was going to make his rounds, as they say, but he thought he was just kidding. In schools now, administrators and teachers tell students that if anyone speaks to them about killing kids, they should report it immediately.
 
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He stated on the stand that the defendant made the statement that he could just kill Diane for what she is asking for in the divorce......but he thought he was just kidding.
That's my story too, 911. My first marriage lasted only 8 months. I was 21. During that time, my mother-in-law made it clear she didn't like being married to my husbands step-father who was a very rich man in a prestigious top position. She told me once that her dogs would sleep between them and said to me, "I could just kill him". It made me very uncomfortable but I never thought she meant it for real. The man really was, dare I say, a pompous ass, so I got it that she was unhappy but didn't think she would kill him.

My then husband, her son, was overly controlling and also shared about some violent quarrels his mother had in the past with his real father. I still didn't think either were capable of murder. We divorced. He called me shortly after and told me that his mother shot his step-father 7 times in the front doorway...claiming she thought he was a burglar even though he lived there. I was never asked to testify. I was scared for my own life at that point, figured they'd find her guilty without my help, and young. She got off because she used lots of her late husbands money to get the best lawyer.

She called me a couple of years later to have lunch with her. It scared the hell out of me. I had a fiancé so had a good excuse. Then her son called me shortly after. Then he called me when I was 40 and said he wanted to get together and still had feelings for me. I asked him how he found me since I'd moved several times and he said, "I worked for the CIA so I can find anybody". That was before computers were full of personal information or social media. If I was ever a gold-digger that was my opportunity but no thanks. He's at least a multi-millionaire...more likely a billionaire, no kids, never married, super handsome...but no thanks. That was NOT a good chapter in my life.
 
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Just so you know, the first two sites linked in win231's post#61 are Scientology websites. If that's your thing, so be it, but I believe that significant fact needed to be pointed out. If you're not familiar with Scientology''s controversial and radical views, just google them!
 
The media has comments like beware of persons walking in wearing trench coats but look at the picture of the kid walking right in the front walk-in doors in a T-shirt wearing ear phones. So he gets out of his car, grab his AK47 and begins walking through the parking lot and no one calls 911??!!
 
There's just too much shooting and killing going on! What kind of world are we living in??!! These mass killings....just horrible. My husband used to ask me didn't watching shows about monsters and paranormal creatures scare me. My answer was no...it's the real life monsters that scare me.
 
how similar are the comments on this thread to ones after previous mass shootings? and future ones ...
will change really occur? what does it take? 1000 victims? 10 000 victims?
more?
 
Just so you know, the first two sites linked in win231's post#61 are Scientology websites. If that's your thing, so be it, but I believe that significant fact needed to be pointed out. If you're not familiar with Scientology''s controversial and radical views, just google them!
I don't know about the connection to Scientology, but the warnings about homicidal & suicidal tendencies do not come from Scientology; they're required by the FDA.
 
Just so you know, the first two sites linked in win231's post#61 are Scientology websites. If that's your thing, so be it, but I believe that significant fact needed to be pointed out. If you're not familiar with Scientology''s controversial and radical views, just google them!
Thank you for digging into the sources. The NY Times, WA Post, Chicago Tribune, LA Times, The Atlantic, Bloomberg News, BBC, The Guardian, and myriad other deep-dive investigative news sources are noticeably absent from this list.

Perhaps anti-depressants are a factor in some of these mass shootings. I don't doubt it. That said, we are not the only country with a fair number of young people taking these medications, but seem to be the only Western country dealing with this ongoing random slaughters.

The difference between us and the rest is our public's ease of access to military style weaponry.
 
how similar are the comments on this thread to ones after previous mass shootings? and future ones ...
will change really occur? what does it take? 1000 victims? 10 000 victims?
more?
Hypo, when the NRA and its supporters would not bend following the massacre of 20 little children (6-7 years old) and 6 staff members, many of us despaired that any level of horror could change their hearts.

How high is the fear level in this country? Check out what's in the back-to-school section of many stores:
 

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There are some big gaps in the news coverage of this story, or maybe I just missed it, but how was he stopped, and arrested? One article said no shots were fired by law enforcement, and it didn't say anything about him being wounded, so how did the arrest take place?

Assuming that he was not wounded, one helpful aspect about all this (if I can put it that way) is that questioning him may provide some useful information. Maybe we could learn what, if any, antidepressant medication he was on, and what violent video games he played. How much of an influence was that horrible web site that he posted his manifesto on? In other words, what can we learn about what makes so many young people go off the rails in this way, over and over again? Many of them are killed themselves, but at least maybe this one can answer some questions.
 
Hypo, when the NRA and its supporters would not bend following the massacre of 20 little children (6-7 years old) and 6 staff members, many of us despaired that any level of horror could change their hearts.

How high is the fear level in this country? Check out what's in the back-to-school section of many stores:

I place blame for the Sandy Hook massacre squarely on Adam Lanza's brain-dead mother, who knew her son was mentally ill & bought him firearms & ammunition & even took him to shooting ranges. She bypassed regulations that prevented him from legal gun ownership.
At least her son did one thing right before going to the school.
 
There are some big gaps in the news coverage of this story, or maybe I just missed it, but how was he stopped, and arrested? One article said no shots were fired by law enforcement, and it didn't say anything about him being wounded, so how did the arrest take place?

Assuming that he was not wounded, one helpful aspect about all this (if I can put it that way) is that questioning him may provide some useful information. Maybe we could learn what, if any, antidepressant medication he was on, and what violent video games he played. How much of an influence was that horrible web site that he posted his manifesto on? In other words, what can we learn about what makes so many young people go off the rails in this way, over and over again? Many of them are killed themselves, but at least maybe this one can answer some questions.
My understanding is that he gave himself up. That was part of the plan.
 


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