Michael Drejka Update

@Knight

"Man" is a gender. But, what's your point?😒
McGlocklen was backing up when Drejka shot him. We don't need audio to see that.
The trial is over; you/we can't take anything out of anything.
 

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Knight said:
Suppose we take gender & race out of this.

The video shows a man looking for a handicap plate or placard on the parked vehicle. Seeing none he confronts the driver. The driver doesn't re park in any of several open spaces in front of the establishment.

Next in the video is a man coming out of the store. That man confronts the man that was talking to the driver, shoves the man to the ground. The man that did the shoving turns slightly & appears to be taking a step away. Meanwhile the man on the ground draws a gun points and shoots the man that did the shoving.

Without sound all we have to go on is a driver illegally parked. A citizen confronting that driver. A man exiting a store then confronting and shoving the man confronting the driver to the ground.

The man on the ground shoots and hits & the attacker somewhere in the front ending with the attacker dying. In order for that to happen the attacker had to turn at least a little towards the man on the ground. With what intention?

A jury found the shooter guilty of manslaughter. We'll know when the sentence is handed down if justifiable use of deadly force to defend against a felony committed against a person or property will be discarded or mitigate the decision for long term incarceration.
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Your second sentence is where it all went wrong. Drejka became a vigilante the moment he confronted the driver. He was not LEO, did not attempt to contact LEO. In Florida, parking illegally in a handicapped spot is a misdemeanor, not a felony. Florida citizens are allowed by law to make a citizen's arrest, but only to detain someone until LEO arrives if they've witnessed the person committing a felony.
 
None of what any of you are stating now matters. The case has now been adjudicated, unless o/t on appeal.

None of you are going to win your argument, but keep on trying as you may.

No winners here.
 

Trade said:
Dayum!

I'm in agreement with a cop!

I'll try not to do that too often.
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I'm not a cop, lol. Nor am I even kin to one. My college boyfriend's brother was a criminal justice major who when on to become a highway patrolman. 🙃 That's as close a connection I can think of. But I do appreciate what the good ones do, and I do think the good outweigh the bad.
 
rgp said:
Correct....and the truth is that Drejka had every right to shoot !

And I for one am glad that the thug is no longer with us, and the one that started it all was the thug's girlfriend, when she chose to park in the handicapped space. Had she not?...we would not be having this debate.
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True, but an intelligent person who wants to "Right a Wrong" calls police instead of confronting someone. Mr. Thug would not have assaulted a police officer, so no one would have been hurt.
 
I edited my post to remove man, to read. Suppose we take race out of this. as for felony

Felony assault, also called aggravated assault, is a legal term used to describe a specific type of crime. The definition of assault varies by state but is typically definedas the intentional act of causing another person to fear immediate physical harm.May 6, 2018

I don't know about what others think but being attacked & pushed to the ground doesn't sound like a friendly gesture.

Otherwise what part of the events in the video were wrong?
 
rgp said:
Mob rule, public opinion, vigilante justice ...... is exactly the kind of thing that caused young black guys to hanged during the turn of the last century, and beyond. Some groups [notably the KKK] & others were associated with this, and I'm sure way too many individuals were part of it as well.

Young black guys that were accused of walking on the wrong street ...opinion. Black guys that were accused of looking at a white woman the wrong way ... opinion . Black guys that had the audacity to request a loan, at the white bank ... again opinion.

This is just a small example of why a properly selected and seated jury are the only ones that should sit in judgement of the accused. After a fully disclosed and complete preponderance of evidence presented.

When [what should be secured evidence] is shared with the public ...... individuals & special interest groups start putting pressure on the prosecution arm of our system, and as such the system starts to break down.
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I don't see how public opinion equates to mob rule and vigilante justice. The constitution guarantees a free press with the right to report on what is happening in the country.

We also have open trials so the public can see the process of justice being carried out in whatever way it is. A free society doesn't allow secret trials and secret evidence once a matter is on its way to trial. Secret trials and secret evidence are the way of totalitarian states.

By the way, the burden of proof in a criminal trial is beyond an reasonable doubt, NOT preponderance of the evidence. Preponderance of the evidence is the burden in a civil trial.

Finally, the treatment of black people to which you refer is not public opinion, it is flat out racism and white supremacy at its most ugly.
 
rgp said:
Correct....and the truth is that Drejka had every right to shoot !

And I for one am glad that the thug is no longer with us, and the one that started it all was the thug's girlfriend, when she chose to park in the handicapped space. Had she not?...we would not be having this debate.
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Upon what do you base your opinion that the deceased was a thug? That he was black? That his girlfriend parked illegally? Lotta thugs out there if illegal parking is thug-defining behavior.

If Drejka had just minded his own business we wouldn't be having this discussion either.
 
@Butterfly

Yeah, both rgp and win231 call a black victim a thug - in the convicted killer Michael Drejka case and also the (former) police officer convicted killer Michael Slager.
 
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Butterfly said:
Upon what do you base your opinion that the deceased was a thug? That he was black? That his girlfriend parked illegally? Lotta thugs out there if illegal parking is thug-defining behavior.

If Drejka had just minded his own business we wouldn't be having this discussion either.
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Nice try at the race card, but the deceased thug has a long rap sheet - mostly for violent assaults. Good thing he won't be raising his son.
https://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Markeis_Mcglockton_2709475/
 
Butterfly said:
Upon what do you base your opinion that the deceased was a thug? That he was black? That his girlfriend parked illegally? Lotta thugs out there if illegal parking is thug-defining behavior.

If Drejka had just minded his own business we wouldn't be having this discussion either.
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You're absolutely correct about Drejka - he should have minded his own business. So should Zimmerman have minded his own business.
But as soon as you put your hands on someone during a verbal dispute, you are a thug. And he has a criminal record for assault:
https://florida.arrests.org/Arrests/Markeis_Mcglockton_2709475/
 
Butterfly said:
I don't see how public opinion equates to mob rule and vigilante justice. The constitution guarantees a free press with the right to report on what is happening in the country.

We also have open trials so the public can see the process of justice being carried out in whatever way it is. A free society doesn't allow secret trials and secret evidence once a matter is on its way to trial. Secret trials and secret evidence are the way of totalitarian states.

By the way, the burden of proof in a criminal trial is beyond an reasonable doubt, NOT preponderance of the evidence. Preponderance of the evidence is the burden in a civil trial.

Finally, the treatment of black people to which you refer is not public opinion, it is flat out racism and white supremacy at its most ugly.
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First, I never mentioned the press.

Second, I never mentioned [secret] trials , I said evidence should be held secure, to be entered @ trial.

"By the way, the burden of proof in a criminal trial is beyond an reasonable doubt, NOT preponderance of the evidence. Preponderance of the evidence is the burden in a civil trial."

Wrong, reasonable doubt, [guilt/acquittal] is arrived at following the preponderance of evidence.

"Finally, the treatment of black people to which you refer is not public opinion, it is flat out racism and white supremacy at its most ugly."

Wrong again, it was the opinion of these white supremacist you noted that led to the hangings , etc.
 
Butterfly said:
Upon what do you base your opinion that the deceased was a thug? That he was black? That his girlfriend parked illegally? Lotta thugs out there if illegal parking is thug-defining behavior.

If Drejka had just minded his own business we wouldn't be having this discussion either.
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No my opinion about him comes from the follow up reports about him, his criminal record . There are thugs of all races ,creeds , colors & religions.

IMO, yes parking in a handicapped parking spot without need & permit designation, ..... is bordering on thug behavior.

Granted, perhaps Drejka should have minded his own business , but ! is it not the business of us all to protect & speak out on behalf of those less able?

And the bottom line still is, had the girlfriend not parked there , we would for sure, .... not be having this debate.
 
Knight said:
I edited my post to remove man, to read. Suppose we take race out of this. as for felony

Felony assault, also called aggravated assault, is a legal term used to describe a specific type of crime. The definition of assault varies by state but is typically definedas the intentional act of causing another person to fear immediate physical harm.May 6, 2018

I don't know about what others think but being attacked & pushed to the ground doesn't sound like a friendly gesture.

Otherwise what part of the events in the video were wrong?
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No it's not a friendly gesture but does it merit losing your life? That's what it's all about in law.
 
applecruncher said:
@Butterfly

Yeah, both rgp and win231 call a black victim a thug - in the convicted killer Michael Drejka case and also the (former) police officer convicted killer Michael Slager.
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McGlockton was not the victim, he was the first physical aggressor in the incident.

As for officer Slager , his job was to stop fleeing suspects , that is what he did.

That suspect, any suspect that succeeds in eluding the police can go on to commit any number of crimes, perhaps heinous in nature. There is no way of knowing what the suspect has done, or is capable of doing.
 
AnnieA said:
I'm not a cop, lol. Nor am I even kin to one. My college boyfriend's brother was a criminal justice major who when on to become a highway patrolman. 🙃 That's as close a connection I can think of. But I do appreciate what the good ones do, and I do think the good outweigh the bad.
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Yeah, I screwed up there. I thought that was 911's post. My bad. As for cops, I have met a few good ones. It's just that 98% of them make the other 2% look bad. :)
 
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applecruncher said:
Drejka was first to confront (instead of calling the police).
Or, he could have just snapped a picture of the vehicle and license plate and filed a police report.
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True.... he confronted verbally . The first physical confrontation / attack was made by McGlockton .
 
It appears that Drejka has a number of supporters.

Such people are in my opinion extremely dangerous and bear considerable watching. And their existance, while grotesque and incomprehensible to me, is one of the main reasons why I will never give up my guns.
 
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applecruncher said:
Drejka was first to confront (instead of calling the police).
Or, he could have just snapped a picture of the vehicle and license plate and filed a police report.
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Or you could do what most reasonable people including myself do.

Ignore it.

 
Camper6 said:
No it's not a friendly gesture but does it merit losing your life? That's what it's all about in law.
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No one merits loss of life. due to the wrongful action by another. Looking at the video at no time did Drejka use anything but words to address the situation of a person parking illegally. Like him or not he did have the right to address what he saw as a violation of what society deems necessary to help those less fortunate. After being attacked I can understand why Drejka would feel fear of continued immediate physical harm.

I don't know how anyone can know that the attacker would not continued. Certainly not Drejka.

Sadly it's come down to excusing or ignoring the needs of others less fortunate.
 
applecruncher said:
Drejka was first to confront (instead of calling the police).
Or, he could have just snapped a picture of the vehicle and license plate and filed a police report.
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One important detail. Drejka was first to confront - VERBALLY. Mr. Thug was first to confront - PHYSICALLY. That's what makes him a thug.
Yes, an intelligent person doesn't confront anyone period. Not worth the possibility of tragedy.
 
Snapping a picture assumes he has some way to do that. Another assumption is the police would have responded in time to write out a ticket.

I guess I'm of the opinion decent people would NOT PARK in a handicap parking space, but if confronted would express their regret & immediately re park.
 

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