Michael Drejka Update

@fuzzybuddy Don't have all the links from when I initially read about the murder (Yes, I know it's officially manslaughter, but I don't agree.), but looking at it through the lens of southern culture, Drejka knew what he was doing. In every culture, in every part of the globe, there are bad habits. In the South, it's more likely that a black person without a handicapped placard or tag will park in a handicapped spot than other cultural groups. In the South, it's more likely that a white man will shoot a black person thinking he'll get by with it. Those two things came together in this case. IMO, Drejka was targeting a particular cultural behavior looking for a target to shoot. That's my message board opinion based on what I've read and watched. Am pretty sure I'd have had the same opinion as a juror.
 

applecruncher said:
@fuzzybuddy

In this case the truth is easy - this is the truth and this is what convicted Drejka:

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Correct....and the truth is that Drejka had every right to shoot !

And I for one am glad that the thug is no longer with us, and the one that started it all was the thug's girlfriend, when she chose to park in the handicapped space. Had she not?...we would not be having this debate.
 
rgp said:
Correct....and the truth is that Drejka had every right to shoot !

And I for one am glad that the thug is no longer with us, and the one that started it all was the thug's girlfriend, when she chose to park in the handicapped space. Had she not?...we would not be having this debate.
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@rgp Please read my post.
 
I am not interested in culture/ or it's opinions period. We have a system of justice in place, that has in recent years been horribly compromised . We need to get back to using our system as established. As such evidence such as this [the video] should be secured for the jury's eyes only. And not be released to the public to become fodder for argument on either side. When this happens, way too much emotion rule ones opinion. And again , our opinion should not matter....only the opinion of the seated jury should.

IMO if we do not return to our system, mob violence & vigilante justice will prevail. And if that becomes the standard ? .... we all loose.
 
DaveA said:
I hope so but I'll wait 'til we hear the sentence. Might be 6 months home confinement with an ankle bracelet. Then with the lax gun laws he can hit one of the gun shows or buy a piece from his cousin (no backround checks) and be back patrolling the parking areas hoping for violaters to challenge. What a country it's become.:(
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Hmmm.....:unsure: I think home confinement is out of the question. 6 mos? Nah. My guess would be about 10 yrs in prison.
 
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rgp said:
.... As such evidence such as this [the video] should be secured for the jury's eyes only. And not be released to the public to become fodder for argument on either side. When this happens, way too much emotion rule ones opinion. And again , our opinion should not matter....only the opinion of the seated jury should. ...
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I disagree. I'm not emotionally involved in this at all. Just seeing it for what it is in the context in which it occurred.

But this excerpt from your post above does connote emotion.


rpg said:
And I for one am glad that the thug is no longer with us, and the one that started it all was the thug's girlfriend, when she chose to park in the handicapped space. Had she not?
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@rgp

"...And again , our opinion should not matter....only the opinion of the seated jury should. "

Really? Surely you jest. I can think of at least one highly publicized case where the opinion of the seated jury infuriated people. Hint: October 1995.
 
applecruncher said:
@rgp

"...And again , our opinion should not matter....only the opinion of the seated jury should. "

Really? Surely you jest. I can think of at least one highly publicized case where the opinion of the seated jury infuriated people. Hint: October 1995.
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Only the opinion of the seated jury should matter......That is our system, and i hope & prey that we will return to it.

October 1995 ?
 
Trade said:
I'll be rooting for him to get shanked while he's in there.
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So it's OK....to "shank" him just because? But it was wrong of Drejka to "shoot' due to fear ?

That is exactly the kind of vigilante justice i am speaking of, and the exact kind i would hope, as a society we can avoid.
 
Well, it saddens me to say that there are no winners here. We have a young man trying to take care of his family now dead and another man going to prison for several years. Two families torn apart that will now probably struggle to put their lives back together, so that they may be able to move on.
 
Mob rule, public opinion, vigilante justice ...... is exactly the kind of thing that caused young black guys to hanged during the turn of the last century, and beyond. Some groups [notably the KKK] & others were associated with this, and I'm sure way too many individuals were part of it as well.

Young black guys that were accused of walking on the wrong street ...opinion. Black guys that were accused of looking at a white woman the wrong way ... opinion . Black guys that had the audacity to request a loan, at the white bank ... again opinion.

This is just a small example of why a properly selected and seated jury are the only ones that should sit in judgement of the accused. After a fully disclosed and complete preponderance of evidence presented.

When [what should be secured evidence] is shared with the public ...... individuals & special interest groups start putting pressure on the prosecution arm of our system, and as such the system starts to break down.
 
rgp said:
So it's OK....to "shank" him just because? But it was wrong of Drejka to "shoot' due to fear ?

That is exactly the kind of vigilante justice i am speaking of, and the exact kind i would hope, as a society we can avoid.
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You already lost the "vigilante justice" argument when you endorsed Drejka appointing himself as a vigilante, and an armed one at that, in charge of enforcing parking lot violations. What kind of psycho does something like that?
 
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florid...-finds-man-guilty-of-manslaughter-2019-08-23/
The lengthy statute generally says Drejka could shoot McGlockton if a reasonable person under those circumstances would believe they are in danger of death or great bodily harm. But it also says the shooter could not have instigated the altercation.
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This is a no brainer. Number one, Drejka was clearly the instigator by getting in McGlockton's girlfriends face over a parking violation. Number two, the video clearly shows McGlockton taking a step back after Drejka drew his gun.
 
Trade said:
You already lost the "vigilante justice" argument when you endorsed Drejka appointing himself as a vigilante, and an armed one at that, in charge of enforcing parking lot violations. What kind of psycho does something like that?
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There.... you say vigilante I say self protection so............
 
Suppose we take race out of this.

The video shows a man looking for a handicap plate or placard on the parked vehicle. Seeing none he confronts the driver. The driver doesn't re park in any of several open spaces in front of the establishment.

Next in the video is a man coming out of the store. That man confronts the man that was talking to the driver, shoves the man to the ground. The man that did the shoving turns slightly & appears to be taking a step away. Meanwhile the man on the ground draws a gun points and shoots the man that did the shoving.

Without sound all we have to go on is a driver illegally parked. A citizen confronting that driver. A man exiting a store then confronting and shoving the man confronting the driver to the ground.

The man on the ground shoots and hits & the attacker somewhere in the front ending with the attacker dying. In order for that to happen the attacker had to turn at least a little towards the man on the ground. With what intention?

A jury found the shooter guilty of manslaughter. We'll know when the sentence is handed down if justifiable use of deadly force to defend against a felony committed against a person or property will be discarded or mitigate the decision for long term incarceration.
 

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