Michael Drejka Update

Snapping a picture assumes he has some way to do that. Another assumption is the police would have responded in time to write out a ticket.

I guess I'm of the opinion decent people would NOT PARK in a handicap parking space, but if confronted would express their regret & immediately re park.
What world do you live in?

What if all the handicap spots are taken? Do I have a conniption fit if a handicap parks in the regular spots reserved for us mere mortals?

Usually anyone parking in a handicapped spot is a quick run in and out.

I would just ignore it. It happens all the time here and there are lots of cars with stickers but the driver is not handicapped.
 

Snapping a picture assumes he has some way to do that. Another assumption is the police would have responded in time to write out a ticket.

I guess I'm of the opinion decent people would NOT PARK in a handicap parking space, but if confronted would express their regret & immediately re park.

I'm of the opinion that decent people wouldn't be trying to rationalize what Drejka did.
 
This "thug" thing is just arguing for the sake of arguing in this case since the meaning of the word is "a violent person, especially a criminal." McGlockton and Drejka both fit the definition based on prior behavior.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/publi...in-stand-your-ground-shooter-s-past_170719109

The Clearwater man who shot and killed a father of three outside a convenience store in a parking dispute last month — setting off a stand your ground debate that has swept Florida and the nation — has a history of road rage.

Since 2012, according to records and interviews, 47-year-old Michael Drejka has been the accused aggressor in four incidents. Investigators documented three cases in police reports.

The other was not shared with authorities at the time but involved the same handicap-reserved parking spot outside the Circle A Food Store near Clearwater and another shooting threat.

Two involved allegations of Drejka showing a gun. In another, a trooper accused him of aggressive driving and cited him after a crash when Drejka braked hard in front of a woman driving with two children.

That's interesting. I wonder if the Drejka apologists will have anything to say about this?

Howabout it rpg, Knight, Win231? What do you have to say about your boy Drejka now?
 
What world do you live in?

What if all the handicap spots are taken? Do I have a conniption fit if a handicap parks in the regular spots reserved for us mere mortals?

Usually anyone parking in a handicapped spot is a quick run in and out.

I would just ignore it. It happens all the time here and there are lots of cars with stickers but the driver is not handicapped.
 
That's interesting. I wonder if the Drejka apologists will have anything to say about this?

Howabout it rpg, Knight, Win231? What do you have to say about your boy Drejka now?


Sure, I'll turn on him, just as soon as you turn on McGlockton .

My argument really has not been to defend one man in one incident , as much as to argue in favor of & defend the stand your ground law. Which this is going to shred. [SYG] is something any of us might need at any time. To defend ourselves, & or our loved ones.

And once again, we need to take "public" "nit-picking" concerning evidence out of the equation. Let the system we have in place do it's job. If we feel it falls short ? Enact legislation to change the system.
 
I'm of the opinion that decent people wouldn't be trying to rationalize what Drejka did.

In the video I saw a citizen verbally confront a person parked in a handicap parking space. I saw a man exit the store and attack him. If by pointing out that McGloughlin shoved Dreika to the ground and Drejka could not know what more McGloughlin might do to him is rationalizing then yes I'm rationalizing.

What I would do or anyone else might do is irrelevant. What both men did in their past I did not know, and matters not to me. I base my posts on what I saw. I've read the various posts dredging up their pasts, mentioning race. Most disgusting to me is excusing the ignorance of the driver. How long to run in and grab what ever as an excuse to park illegally is lame at best. I suggest looking at the open parking directly in front of the store.

Being handicapped I've confronted people a few times that didn't have a license plate or placard & they apologized and moved their car. So yes I have a comparison between people ignorant enough to park illegally but decent enough to move. The video clearly shows the driver was ignorant and didn't move.

Condoning & or excusing the physical attack by so many posting here amazes me. Wanting to deny Drejka's right to confront the driver illegally parked amazes me.

Simple fact if the driver had parked legally this would never have turned into what it has.
 

What world do you live in?

What if all the handicap spots are taken? Do I have a conniption fit if a handicap parks in the regular spots reserved for us mere mortals?

Usually anyone parking in a handicapped spot is a quick run in and out.

I would just ignore it. It happens all the time here and there are lots of cars with stickers but the driver is not handicapped.



"Usually anyone parking in a handicapped spot is a quick run in and out."

So it's OK to break the law "a little bit" ?


You ask ..."Do I have a conniption fit if a handicap parks in the regular spots reserved for us mere mortals?"

Yes I have a fit .... at the mere mortals that filled all the handicapped spots!

"I would just ignore it. It happens all the time here and there are lots of cars with stickers but the driver is not handicapped."

I have seen that as well .........and it irk's me just as much.
 
First, I never mentioned the press.

Second, I never mentioned [secret] trials , I said evidence should be held secure, to be entered @ trial.

"By the way, the burden of proof in a criminal trial is beyond an reasonable doubt, NOT preponderance of the evidence. Preponderance of the evidence is the burden in a civil trial."

Wrong, reasonable doubt, [guilt/acquittal] is arrived at following the preponderance of evidence.

"Finally, the treatment of black people to which you refer is not public opinion, it is flat out racism and white supremacy at its most ugly."

Wrong again, it was the opinion of these white supremacist you noted that led to the hangings , etc.



Having worked a lifetime in law, I can assure you that preponderance of the evidence is NOT the burden in a criminal trial. Preponderance of the evidence is "more likely than not." Beyond a reasonable doubt is exactly what it says it is. The terms are defined in law, and the burdens are imposed by the law. The two are very unlike.

Here's a little primer on standards of proof from Justia:

Evidentiary Standards in Civil Cases

Preponderance of the Evidence

The plaintiff must satisfy the burden of persuasion. This burden determines which standard of proof the plaintiff must follow in presenting evidence to the judge or jury. A standard of proof determines the amount of evidence the plaintiff or defendant needs to provide in order for the jury to reach a particular determination. In most civil cases, the burden of persuasion that applies is called “a preponderance of the evidence.” This standard requires the jury to return a judgment in favor of the plaintiff if the plaintiff is able to show that a particular fact or event was more likely than not to have occurred. Some scholars define the preponderance of the evidence standard as requiring a finding that at least 51 percent of the evidence favors the plaintiff’s outcome.

Clear and Convincing Evidence


In some civil cases, the burden of proof is elevated to a higher standard called “clear and convincing evidence.” This burden of proof requires the plaintiff to prove that a particular fact is substantially more likely than not to be true. Some courts have described this standard as requiring the plaintiff to prove that there is a high probability that a particular fact is true. This standard sets a higher threshold than the preponderance of the evidence standard, but it does not quite rise to the widely recognized standard used in criminal cases, known as “beyond a reasonable doubt.”

Substantial Evidence

In administrative law proceedings, the standard of proof that most commonly applies is the substantial evidence standard. This standard requires the plaintiff or moving party to provide enough evidence that a reasonable mind could accept as adequate to support a particular conclusion.

Evidentiary Standards in Criminal Cases

Beyond a Reasonable Doubt

The “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard is the highest standard of proof that may be imposed upon a party at trial, and it is usually the standard used in criminal cases. This standard requires the prosecution to show that the only logical explanation that can be derived from the facts is that the defendant committed the alleged crime, and that no other logical explanation can be inferred or deduced from the evidence. The United States Supreme Court in Victor v. Nebraska, 511 U.S. 1 (1994), described this standard as “such doubt as would give rise to a grave uncertainty, raised in your mind by reasons of the unsatisfactory character of the evidence or lack thereof . . . . What is required is not an absolute or mathematical certainty, but a moral certainty.”


As someone on the news always says, "you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts."
 
Having worked a lifetime in law, I can assure you that preponderance of the evidence is NOT the burden in a criminal trial. Preponderance of the evidence is "more likely than not." Beyond a reasonable doubt is exactly what it says it is. The terms are defined in law, and the burdens are imposed by the law. The two are very unlike.

Here's a little primer on standards of proof from Justia:

Evidentiary Standards in Civil Cases

Preponderance of the Evidence

The plaintiff must satisfy the burden of persuasion. This burden determines which standard of proof the plaintiff must follow in presenting evidence to the judge or jury. A standard of proof determines the amount of evidence the plaintiff or defendant needs to provide in order for the jury to reach a particular determination. In most civil cases, the burden of persuasion that applies is called “a preponderance of the evidence.” This standard requires the jury to return a judgment in favor of the plaintiff if the plaintiff is able to show that a particular fact or event was more likely than not to have occurred. Some scholars define the preponderance of the evidence standard as requiring a finding that at least 51 percent of the evidence favors the plaintiff’s outcome.

Clear and Convincing Evidence


In some civil cases, the burden of proof is elevated to a higher standard called “clear and convincing evidence.” This burden of proof requires the plaintiff to prove that a particular fact is substantially more likely than not to be true. Some courts have described this standard as requiring the plaintiff to prove that there is a high probability that a particular fact is true. This standard sets a higher threshold than the preponderance of the evidence standard, but it does not quite rise to the widely recognized standard used in criminal cases, known as “beyond a reasonable doubt.”

Substantial Evidence

In administrative law proceedings, the standard of proof that most commonly applies is the substantial evidence standard. This standard requires the plaintiff or moving party to provide enough evidence that a reasonable mind could accept as adequate to support a particular conclusion.

Evidentiary Standards in Criminal Cases

Beyond a Reasonable Doubt

The “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard is the highest standard of proof that may be imposed upon a party at trial, and it is usually the standard used in criminal cases. This standard requires the prosecution to show that the only logical explanation that can be derived from the facts is that the defendant committed the alleged crime, and that no other logical explanation can be inferred or deduced from the evidence. The United States Supreme Court in Victor v. Nebraska, 511 U.S. 1 (1994), described this standard as “such doubt as would give rise to a grave uncertainty, raised in your mind by reasons of the unsatisfactory character of the evidence or lack thereof . . . . What is required is not an absolute or mathematical certainty, but a moral certainty.”


As someone on the news always says, "you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts."



And you do not see that as a preponderance of evidence ? A consideration of the evidence entered ? Then why is it even offered into evidence ? This is the gun/knife, whatever , that killed the victim, etc. All of this is the preponderance of evidence.



"As someone on the news always says, "you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts."

Back at'cha
 
In the video I saw a citizen verbally confront a person parked in a handicap parking space. I saw a man exit the store and attack him. If by pointing out that McGloughlin shoved Dreika to the ground and Drejka could not know what more McGloughlin might do to him is rationalizing then yes I'm rationalizing.

What I would do or anyone else might do is irrelevant. What both men did in their past I did not know, and matters not to me. I base my posts on what I saw. I've read the various posts dredging up their pasts, mentioning race. Most disgusting to me is excusing the ignorance of the driver. How long to run in and grab what ever as an excuse to park illegally is lame at best. I suggest looking at the open parking directly in front of the store.

Being handicapped I've confronted people a few times that didn't have a license plate or placard & they apologized and moved their car. So yes I have a comparison between people ignorant enough to park illegally but decent enough to move. The video clearly shows the driver was ignorant and didn't move.

Condoning & or excusing the physical attack by so many posting here amazes me. Wanting to deny Drejka's right to confront the driver illegally parked amazes me.

Simple fact if the driver had parked legally this would never have turned into what it has.

Well Knight, Clearwater Florida is my home town. I was born and raised there. And I am happy as a pig in slop that Drejka is no longer free to roam the streets of my home town packing heat and looking for trouble.
Kudos to the jury for finding him guilty. :)

 
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I've never even suggested that I condoned what McGlocklin did.

You on the other hand have been an ardent defender of Drejka thoughout this thread.


Wrong .... i have been an ardent defender of a man protecting himself.

As for those involved in general ......... I want nothing to do with any of them.
 
That's interesting. I wonder if the Drejka apologists will have anything to say about this?

Howabout it rpg, Knight, Win231? What do you have to say about your boy Drejka now?
Hi, again. I already said Drejka was STUPID. Anyone who confronts anyone about anything that's not a life/death matter is stupid. But Mr. Stupid Drejka did not put his hands on anyone. Mr. Stupid Thug McGlockton did. That's why he is where he is.
 
Snapping a picture assumes he has some way to do that. Another assumption is the police would have responded in time to write out a ticket.

I guess I'm of the opinion decent people would NOT PARK in a handicap parking space, but if confronted would express their regret & immediately re park.
A decent person would never need to express regret or re-park because a decent person would never park in a handicap space to begin with.
 
I am so thankful that my brother was able to retire last year in Miami alive and well. He had his share of arresting thugs and having them back on the street in a few weeks to deal with again.
I have handicapped license plates and have a problem with folks parking in handicapped spots running in stores with 2 good legs and not thinking twice about it. Before my stroke I would never consider parking in those places. Now I thank God when I can get one at Krogers and do my shopping by myself.
 
And you do not see that as a preponderance of evidence ? A consideration of the evidence entered ? Then why is it even offered into evidence ? This is the gun/knife, whatever , that killed the victim, etc. All of this is the preponderance of evidence.


"As someone on the news always says, "you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts."

Back at'cha

Nope, that's the weight of the evidence.

You cannot change the legal definition of legal terms at will. You can call it whatever you want to -- but the law defines what the term means in a trial court, and that's all that matters in a court of law. A criminal trial verdict must be reached to a reasonable doubt, by law -- that's the legal standard, like it or not.



 
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EVIL
Richard Speck (Chicago), remember he was not arrested for a few days-How, Why...
The Texas Tower (Austin), Nah, impossible, not in Tx.
These two incidents are bookmarks of when the world went to hell.
Then Mason, Jonestown
Serial Killers- Nah, couldn't be

The killing of children in schools
Not my world, if not my world-then whose?
There are several threads on this site that mention, discuss evil (The state trooper discussing the Amish killings is particular chilling) Evil,is there any doubt something is wrong, wrong, wrong!
If these events are beyond comprehension, what then?
Each person has an explanation...Terminating this post, the topic is overwhelming
 
EVIL
Richard Speck (Chicago), remember he was not arrested for a few days-How, Why...
The Texas Tower (Austin), Nah, impossible, not in Tx.
These two incidents are bookmarks of when the world went to hell.
Then Mason, Jonestown
Serial Killers- Nah, couldn't be

The killing of children in schools
Not my world, if not my world-then whose?
There are several threads on this site that mention, discuss evil (The state trooper discussing the Amish killings is particular chilling) Evil,is there any doubt something is wrong, wrong, wrong!
If these events are beyond comprehension, what then?
Each person has an explanation...Terminating this post, the topic is overwhelming
If you want to know or read about evil read the bible. Kids, various people, a son & supposedly the entire human population except for Noah were wiped out by a loving, caring supernatural being. Good read about those mysterious ways.
 
"Evil", Jerry, is hardly a new invention of modern times.

I think what I was attempting to say was evil is proportional to one's personal safety.

Random violence in our times is personal and terrifying:

The mind searches for a reason: if a person can slaughter school children, then how safe am I when I go to Walmarts? Thus, fear has been induced into the general population. We are vulnerable:

I could be kilt and that is terrifying, it’s plumb evil.
 


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