And the shootings go on and on , and on, and on...

[RadishRose]

May the hilarity continue

I'm checking the fridge
There's a month old half slice of pizza in the somewhere

Nope, I ate it yesterday.

 

[fmdog44]

Didn't someone just say something about asinine comments not helping ?

So far to date intelligent/rational comments have not helped so it's not the comments rather, the cowardice that runs through our govt. that kneels to the NRA.

 

[fmdog44]

I think the goofballs would welcome a shoot out. They would go looking for it to demonstrate their heavy equipment and 100 round magazines.

Walmart should install metal detecting entrances like airports.

Are we there at that stage yet? Check them in. They are already checking them out.

Why just Walmart? Why not every door of every business in the country including churches?

 

[rgp]

So far to date intelligent/rational comments have not helped so it's not the comments rather, the cowardice that runs through our govt. that kneels to the NRA.

I see your point, and to a degree,agree ? As a deceased friend of mine used to say,.......follow the money.

 

[911]

I was listening to Justice Scalia one night on Charlie Rose, which airs on PBS. He was addressing concerns on gun control and of course, the 2nd Amendment begins to be debated.

Justice Scalia made a comment that I thought was very interesting and gave me pause for thought. He said the following, which is not verbatim. “No court has ever defined exactly what a well regulated Militia is. Therefore, I see it as open to interpretation if I should be asked to rule on a case that would come before us. I could just as easily say that it is any one person, which would include you or I.” (Like I already stated, this is NOT verbatim.)

What are your thoughts?

 

[Camper6]

Of course your grandson is your business, but what we do in my country is not. Again, if you are that concerned? And fear for him here ? Move him to be with you.

Don't get me wrong,......I of course wish him a great & peaceful life......I just hope he doesn't grow up to be as bossy as you.........BWAHAHAHA !

Et tu Brutus. I can tell you belong to another forum where they let you get away with snide remarks instead of sticking to the topic.

 

[Aunt Bea]

I was listening to Justice Scalia one night on Charlie Rose, which airs on PBS. He was addressing concerns on gun control and of course, the 2nd Amendment begins to be debated.

Justice Scalia made a comment that I thought was very interesting and gave me pause for thought. He said the following, which is not verbatim. “No court has ever defined exactly what a well regulated Militia is. Therefore, I see it as open to interpretation if I should be asked to rule on a case that would come before us. I could just as easily say that it is any one person, which would include you or I.” (Like I already stated, this is NOT verbatim.)

What are your thoughts?

IMO Scalia and his views on the second amendment were easy to understand and agree with.

Justice Antonin Scalia wrote the Heller majority opinion. “The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home,” Scalia said.

“We are aware of the problem of handgun violence in this country, and we take seriously the concerns raised by the many amici who believe that prohibition of handgun ownership is a solution,” Scalia concluded. “The Constitution leaves the District of Columbia a variety of tools for combating that problem, including some measures regulating handguns. But the enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.”

 

[Camper6]

"Where did I say it was bad for them there? "

You indicate a concern for our gun laws as they are. You indicate a disagreement with our gun lobby , you seem to take the side of those that wish to change/ignore our constitution........doesn't sound to me like you have much trust in us ?


Shocked ? That I support the second amendment of MY constitution ?

No not that you support the second amendment.

Your blase attitude toward the senseless killing of innocents. The gun is the important part to you not the lives.

Trust? Since man to man is so unjust I do not know what man to trust. I have often trusted to my sorrow but if you trust me today I'll trust you tomorrow.

I agree with those who wish to mitigate or eliminate the carnage. It's a blight on the landscape.

 

[Gary O']

open to interpretation

One for the wise

 

[Camper6]

Why just Walmart? Why not every door of every business in the country including churches?

Has it come to that? Is it that bad? Would the populace admit it? Would the populace allow it?
Would the right to privacy enter the picture?

 

[Camper6]

The truth is, Camper, that regardless of your family ties here, there is nothing you can do about "it" since you do not vote in the US.

I should at least be able to comment on this forum without getting hassled.

 

[rgp]

No not that you support the second amendment.

Your blase attitude toward the senseless killing of innocents. The gun is the important part to you not the lives.

Trust? Since man to man is so unjust I do not know what man to trust. I have often trusted to my sorrow but if you trust me today I'll trust you tomorrow.

I agree with those who wish to mitigate or eliminate the carnage. It's a blight on the landscape.

"Your blase attitude toward the senseless killing of innocents. "



I have no blase attitude toward killing...I do however have a strong attitude toward preserving my constitution !



"The gun is the important part to you not the lives."


Show me exactly where I said "The gun is the important part too me."........Do not put words in my mouth !

 

[Camper6]

I was listening to Justice Scalia one night on Charlie Rose, which airs on PBS. He was addressing concerns on gun control and of course, the 2nd Amendment begins to be debated.

Justice Scalia made a comment that I thought was very interesting and gave me pause for thought. He said the following, which is not verbatim. “No court has ever defined exactly what a well regulated Militia is. Therefore, I see it as open to interpretation if I should be asked to rule on a case that would come before us. I could just as easily say that it is any one person, which would include you or I.” (Like I already stated, this is NOT verbatim.)

What are your thoughts?

If I am allowed to comment, as a foreigner which some on this forum seem to resent, then I will say the word militia is plural in nature. I doubt you could call one person a militia.
You have already stated that the National Guard is regarded or recognized as the militia. I can agree with that. It seems to be a good fit.
I will agree that everyone might be a member of a well regulated militia. It seems to me that the term as written in the Second Amendment has no meaning now as intended by the founders since when it was written there was no standing army.
Once the standing army of the United States was initiated the state doesn't have to depend on a well regulated militia depending on civilians to defend the state.
The Constitution is one of my favourite (British spelling) topics. I study it as much as I can and try to learn about it as much as I can.

 

[Camper6]

"Your blase attitude toward the senseless killing of innocents. "



I have no blase attitude toward killing...I do however have a strong attitude toward preserving my constitution !



"The gun is the important part to you not the lives."


Show me exactly where I said "The gun is the important part too me."........Do not put words in my mouth !

You have accredited a lot to me which I didn't state also. So then just tell me it isn't and I will trust you are telling the truth.

 

[911]

IMO Scalia and his views on the second amendment were easy to understand and agree with.

Justice Antonin Scalia wrote the Heller majority opinion. “The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home,” Scalia said.

“We are aware of the problem of handgun violence in this country, and we take seriously the concerns raised by the many amici who believe that prohibition of handgun ownership is a solution,” Scalia concluded. “The Constitution leaves the District of Columbia a variety of tools for combating that problem, including some measures regulating handguns. But the enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.”

I remember this being a big deal. I think had it not been for Scalia, it may have been possible that the appeal may have been overturned.

 

[win231]

Why just Walmart? Why not every door of every business in the country including churches?

Uh......a dose of reality to think about. Consider the scenario of a church or business with a metal detector:
A psycho plans a mass murder. He arrives at a church. There is a metal detector at the entrance. It goes off as he storms in. He starts shooting. The metal detector did its job; it prevented the churchgoers from carrying a gun into the church, but the shooter couldn't care less; he's determined to kill people & probably plans on committing suicide when he's finished, anyway. I don't think anyone here is stupid enough to think the psycho shooter will run away when the metal detector goes off.

Now, consider a metal detector at the airport or courthouse. What's the difference? There are several armed security people standing next to the metal detector who WILL stop a shooter if he starts shooting.

 

[JimW]

I was listening to Justice Scalia one night on Charlie Rose, which airs on PBS. He was addressing concerns on gun control and of course, the 2nd Amendment begins to be debated.

Justice Scalia made a comment that I thought was very interesting and gave me pause for thought. He said the following, which is not verbatim. “No court has ever defined exactly what a well regulated Militia is. Therefore, I see it as open to interpretation if I should be asked to rule on a case that would come before us. I could just as easily say that it is any one person, which would include you or I.” (Like I already stated, this is NOT verbatim.)

What are your thoughts?

No court may have ever defined what a well regulated militia is, but if you look at the time period in which the constitution was written with no standing military, it's pretty obvious the word militia was never meant to mean one person. Scalia towed the party line on this one.

 

[Trade]

What goes on, happens, in my country is MY business....and not some foreigner's .

Thank you so much for making the United States look bad with your ignorant comments like the one above. I can't begin to tell you how much I appreciate that.

 

[rgp]

Thank you so much for making the United States look bad with your ignorant comments like the one above. I can't begin to tell you how much I appreciate that.

Well, your very welcome.....True ignorance lies in your response.

 

[Camper6]

Uh......a dose of reality to think about. Consider the scenario of a church or business with a metal detector:
A psycho plans a mass murder. He arrives at a church. There is a metal detector at the entrance. It goes off as he storms in. He starts shooting. The metal detector did its job; it prevented the churchgoers from carrying a gun into the church, but the shooter couldn't care less; he's determined to kill people & probably plans on committing suicide when he's finished, anyway. I don't think anyone here is stupid enough to think the psycho shooter will run away when the metal detector goes off.

Now, consider a metal detector at the airport or courthouse. What's the difference? There are several armed security people standing next to the metal detector who WILL stop a shooter if he starts shooting.

I understand but if the detector goes off and a good guy is carrying
Isn't that what you want so you let him in.

 

[Camper6]

What goes on, happens, in my country is MY business....and not some foreigner's .

And where people want to live it's their business.

 

[Ruthanne]

I think we need some...

 

[rgp]

And where people want to live it's their business.

Exactly right....and you do not live here. If you change your mind ? accept our gun law, come in legally. Then your opinion will mean something. Then work to change what you may not like, & I will accept the results.

 

[Sunny]

Stirring the flames ? Really ? ........why, because I do not agree with you ?

Germany did nothing of the sort.....that was the Nazi's

And since you're going down the road of name calling ..[curmudgeonly muttering]..... your post sounded very much like the uneducated babble of an airhead .

Oh boy, sounds like the logic of my answer really got to you, rgp!

Of course it was the Nazi's! What on earth difference does that make? Germany did nothing of the sort? So then, what country did all the horrors of the Holocaust take place in? You are trying to get people from ANOTHER COUNTRY to refrain from criticizing the US (obviously because they don't agree with you; I'm sure if they agreed with you it would be perfectly fine to express their opinion). In the analogy I made, I showed that by your logic, the rest of the world did not have the right to "disagree" with Germany and their election of Hitler (and he WAS elected!) because they were not Germans. Interesting twist of logic, changing Germany to the Nazis, as if that changed the point I was making!

If you want to insist that it was not Germany who killed all those people, it was the Nazis, I can make the same point. It is not the US that is preventing gun control, it is only a small contingent which has an irrational amount of power. Most Americans are strongly in favor of increasing gun control measures, especially when it comes weapons of mass assault. So the people from other parts of the world who are rightfully horrified, and expressing their opinion, are not criticizing the US, they are criticizing the blind ignorance of those who choose not to see.

So, let's try again - I can't wait to see the logic of your answer! This country is being held hostage to the terror inflicted by an evil organization that has bought off enough corrupt politicians to get their way. Enough sychophants have bought into the macho sexual symbolism to support this evil organization. That is more important to them than worrying about the number of innocent people, many of them children, being mowed down every day. You say people outside of this country cannot criticize our choices (why? because you said so?) which is exactly the same as saying that no one had the right to criticize the choices the Germans made.

But I'm just an airhead, so who cares what I think? Time to grab yer rootin' tootin' firearm and start shootin'!

 

[Camper6]

Exactly right....and you do not live here. If you change your mind ? accept our gun law, come in legally. Then your opinion will mean something. Then work to change what you may not like, & I will accept the results.

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Exactly right....and you do not live here. If you change your mind ? accept our gun law, come in legally. Then your opinion will mean something. Then work to change what you may not like, & I will accept the results.

No I don't live there but I have joined this forum to discuss topics of interest.
I was welcomed here and I follow the rules of the forum. It's supposed to be a friendly forum and that's why politics were eliminated. We discussed it and I agreed with it. Other than you no one has told me that I have no business commenting on anything that happens in the U.S. or the world for that matter. It's a global forum.
I have no intention of moving there but no one is going to browbeat me into not expressing my opinion on gun laws or anything else that happens in the U.S. on this forum.
If you don't like it, then it's just too darned bad isn't it?