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Keesha said:
And here’s how it reads to me.

We don’t mind politics as long as it’s not American politics because that ‘might’ upset administration and other members who are American.

I’m most certainly not trying to purposely upset any members but this IS how it reads
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As an American, I don't perceive it that way. The current political climate in the US might best be described as incendiary. American political threads would cause the mods a ton of work. I modded a political section of a forum years ago when American political discussions were relatively more civil and went into the early hours of the morning more than once trying to clean up toxic messes.
 

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AnnieA said:
As an American, I don't perceive it that way. The current political climate in America might best be described as incendiary. American political threads would cause the mods a ton of work. I modded a political section of a forum years ago when American political discussion were relatively more civil and went into the early hours of the morning more than once trying to clean up toxic messes.
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Ok the other day there was a thread about a 16 discussing climate changes who was telling off all the political leaders of the world . I wrote one sentence saying that trump said she has anger issues. ( period ).

My post was removed. Reason being that it was considered political but I never voiced any opinions about the one sentence . This clearly shows that it doesn’t matter whether you post your own views or not. It was the very fact that I used the word ‘trump’ which was the problem. To whom it was a problem for, I have no clue which is why I’m confused here. There was no toxic mess.

If political leaders can’t be discussed then that rule SHOULD be across the board for ALL members, not a select few.
 
Trying to get an understanding of the financial & immigration issues that Brexit can cause doesn't strike me as political. Asking for insight/opinion from a member or members from the UK seems to me to be an easier way to get an understanding of what Brexit is.
 

Keesha, Brexit isn't a political leader. It's a movement out of the European Union. Can we discuss capital punishment, church/state issues, women's suffrage, etc.? Those are topics or movements also, and have been discussed (sometimes ad nauseum!) on this forum.

Here's something I just read about the EU. They recently voted to eliminate carbon emissions by 2050. As Greenland is literally melting, the ice caps are disappearing, and the earth faces increasingly devastating flooding, this sounds to me like a very good idea.

But... how much of the carbon emissions are being produced by the countries of western Europe? (I googled European Union members to see who they are; it's 28 countries, mostly in western Europe.) Doesn't include China or Russia, of course. So I wonder how effective the EU rulings are, really? But just thinking about all this for a minute or so convinces me that very little information about it is filtering through to this country.
 
Boris Johnson isn’t a political leader?
My MAIN point being that if there’s a basic rule on this site of no politics then why are Political threads like these even allowed? It sends a mixed message saying some political threads are ok and some aren’t which is a double standard not an actual rule.
 
Sunny said:
Keesha, Brexit isn't a political leader. It's a movement out of the European Union. Can we discuss capital punishment, church/state issues, women's suffrage, etc.? Those are topics or movements also, and have been discussed (sometimes ad nauseum!) on this forum.

Here's something I just read about the EU. They recently voted to eliminate carbon emissions by 2050. As Greenland is literally melting, the ice caps are disappearing, and the earth faces increasingly devastating flooding, this sounds to me like a very good idea.

But... how much of the carbon emissions are being produced by the countries of western Europe? (I googled European Union members to see who they are; it's 28 countries, mostly in western Europe.) Doesn't include China or Russia, of course. So I wonder how effective the EU rulings are, really? But just thinking about all this for a minute or so convinces me that very little information about it is filtering through to this country.
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I don't understand how the polar ice caps can be melting. We're freezing here and I shoveled snow 7 days out of the first eleven in Dec. Meteorologists have said we are experiencing the snowiest December ON RECORD!!!!!!!!!!! And the month is not even half over. I wish someone could explain to me how global warming and polar ice caps melting indicates the earth is warming, when 8 of our last 10 winters have been the most severe on record. just sayin'.
 
StarSong said:
I don't see this as a disqualifying political post because it's a request for a simplified explanation of what's going on, not for people's individual opinions about it.

Sunny isn't asking who likes, approves or is fearful of Brexit, Boris Johnson, Queen Elizabeth, whatever, and whomever. She requested an overview of what's happening (which some have provided and I thank you for those).

It likewise wouldn't necessarily be political if someone asked for an explanation of the steps in US impeachment. A reasonable response would include the process through the House of Representatives and Senate, and could be easily be presented in the mode of US History 101, meaning without opining whether the poster believes the charges have merit.

We are all adults here, and while we have political opinions it is within our abilities to explain a process without slanting them with our personal positions.
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..and I left a link as an explanation right at the start of this thread but it looks like it was pretty much ignored...
 
chic said:
I don't understand how the polar ice caps can be melting. We're freezing here and I shoveled snow 7 days out of the first eleven in Dec. Meteorologists have said we are experiencing the snowiest December ON RECORD!!!!!!!!!!! And the month is not even half over. I wish someone could explain to me how global warming and polar ice caps melting indicates the earth is warming, when 8 of our last 10 winters have been the most severe on record. just sayin'.
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From what I understand (vaguely), global warming cause extremes in weather, hot and cold. Comparisons of ice/snow cover of the past and present show much less cover now. Also, the Antartic, a very solid continent with LOTS and DEEP ice has started breaking up. THAT is proof of global warming.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-global-warming-harsher-winter/
 
Above quote by Matrix:
The initial political ban is to stop the bitter argument around the presidential election and both parties. We don't want to extend the ban too much beyond that.

Many topics such as taxes and health insurance can't avoid politics completely, so, usually if a topic wasn't created to discuss politics, no important political figures or parties involved, we don't want to intervene. There are also discussions about UK and AU politics, but there are no arguments, we didn't moderate them either.

We try to give the members maximum freedom to discuss things while keeping the forum a friendly place.
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Ronni said:
I think Matrix’s explanation above clarifies Admin's stand relating to political discussions. It's just not possible, on a board as diverse and active as this one is, to avoid politics completely and unequivocally.

For example, you can't avoid the subject completely when we discuss things like taxes, health care, financial issues etc where it's plausible that we might legitimately touch on some aspect of politics, however peripherally.

However, airing one's opinions about political figures, elections, parties etc. is different than requesting information or engaging in a factual explanation about the structure of a government or other governing body.
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Thanks Ronni, I think his explanation makes it very clear. Anyone who was here when we had a political forum knows how the discussion of American politics turned this friendly forum into a negative cesspool filled with vitriolic hatred, nasty insults and personal attacks. Mentioning any specific US politicians generally triggers the types of responses I just mentioned, that's why those posts are removed. This is what he's put an end to, not all discussion of the news or what is going on in the world that may affect us in other areas of our lives.

Matrix has gone through all the work and expense of creating this forum for all of us to enjoy. He in no way personally benefited from removing an extremely active political forum from this board. The success of a forum is having a lot of views, members and activity...not taking them away. It was removed to benefit the community as a whole and keep this board a safe and friendly place for seniors to visit.

If the forum owner here decides one day to shut this board down, I personally will not be joining any other senior forum on the net, I've see what's out there and IMO, this is the best I've seen. I want to thank Matrix for doing all it takes to keep this board running smoothly, securely and so far free for all of us enjoy. He has been very fair from the beginning and I will certainly respect his guidelines and his judgment in enforcing them, it is solely at his discretion.
 
Holly, sorry, it's been a busy day, and I completely missed your original link. Thank you for sending it. I've read it now, and am wondering if this Brexit idea is only a British one, or are other countries planning to leave the EU also? In your opinion, is it the free flow of immigration that most alarms people, or is the British economy hurting because of the EU?

Chic, this climate question comes up every year. The fact that the winters may be cold (even record breaking cold!) in some places does not prove anything about global warming. For the record, our winters have been abnormally mild. Last year, I remember only one thin little sprinkle of snow. Which also proves nothing. Global warming measures things on a, well, global scale. It's the big picture that counts, and the gradual changes in climate year by year all over the planet, not how the weather is today. (I'm sorry you're freezing.)

There have been many hair raising articles on the subject. Some are about the thickest glaciers gradually melting off and disappearing. Animal species are endangered, and even a few centimeters of higher tide means massive flooding in coastal communities. Here;s one of the articles:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/climate-environment/climate-change-alaska/
 
Keesha said:
Think I’ll start up some threads on religion.
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Well, since you brought it up ;) I don't say too much about it because for the most part I just don't believe. No point in arguing point counter point about it, because I can see possibilities on both sides, but will stick with my opinion for now.

But getting back to politics.......we have no choice as to "believe" or not, and have little choice as to participation . As such, once again I think it should be discussed.
 
On the chance that I will be attacked for this, I'll open my mouth anyway.

I was cheering for Brexit. With the EU union, the strong countries have to support the weak and corrupt ones. Look how many times Greece had to be rescued, Italy and Portugal (or is it Spain) are also in a precarious position financially. The countries that don't want to accept immigrants are forced to do so. Anyway, that's how I feel, maybe because I have a strong independent streak, I think countries should be responsible for their own glory and their own failings.
 
Catlady said:
From what I understand (vaguely), global warming cause extremes in weather, hot and cold. Comparisons of ice/snow cover of the past and present show much less cover now. Also, the Antartic, a very solid continent with LOTS and DEEP ice has started breaking up. THAT is proof of global warming.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/...htalks-global-warming-harsher-winter/[/QUOTE]
Sunny said:
Holly, sorry, it's been a busy day, and I completely missed your original link. Thank you for sending it. I've read it now, and am wondering if this Brexit idea is only a British one, or are other countries planning to leave the EU also? In your opinion, is it the free flow of immigration that most alarms people, or is the British economy hurting because of the EU?

Chic, this climate question comes up every year. The fact that the winters may be cold (even record breaking cold!) in some places does not prove anything about global warming. For the record, our winters have been abnormally mild. Last year, I remember only one thin little sprinkle of snow. Which also proves nothing. Global warming measures things on a, well, global scale. It's the big picture that counts, and the gradual changes in climate year by year all over the planet, not how the weather is today. (I'm sorry you're freezing.)

There have been many hair raising articles on the subject. Some are about the thickest glaciers gradually melting off and disappearing. Animal species are endangered, and even a few centimeters of higher tide means massive flooding in coastal communities. Here;s one of the articles:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/climate-environment/climate-change-alaska/
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Interesting, but inconclusive IMO. Didn't the late Carl Sagan believe that the Earth was getting colder? It seems like a pick 'em situation.
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Sunny said:
Holly, sorry, it's been a busy day, and I completely missed your original link. Thank you for sending it. I've read it now, and am wondering if this Brexit idea is only a British one, or are other countries planning to leave the EU also? In your opinion, is it the free flow of immigration that most alarms people, or is the British economy hurting because of the EU?

Chic, this climate question comes up every year. The fact that the winters may be cold (even record breaking cold!) in some places does not prove anything about global warming. For the record, our winters have been abnormally mild. Last year, I remember only one thin little sprinkle of snow. Which also proves nothing. Global warming measures things on a, well, global scale. It's the big picture that counts, and the gradual changes in climate year by year all over the planet, not how the weather is today. (I'm sorry you're freezing.)

There have been many hair raising articles on the subject. Some are about the thickest glaciers gradually melting off and disappearing. Animal species are endangered, and even a few centimeters of higher tide means massive flooding in coastal communities. Here;s one of the articles:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/climate-environment/climate-change-alaska/
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I'm sure. But scientific meteorological records have only existed since the 1880s and when you think how old the Earth is that's not long enough to make a judgement. If we throw out the climate changes of certain regions, let's throw out the poles, instead of N.E. and the Midwest. Then we'd say the earth is getting colder. Or, for the sake of argument, let's throw out all 4 regions and say everything is the same. We cannot know for certain that the polar ice caps didn't melt for a century in past millenia.

While I do agree emissions cause pollution, measures being taken seem extreme/ineffective. We all know what's causing this. Cars and industry. So what do we do? Take everyone's car away and hand out bikes to people in Southern climes and sleds with mushers in Northern areas? The largest contributors to this type of pollution are major corporations and they will get away scot free as they always do. True, we do need a solution, but I do not have one. And I think things like the paper vs plastic bags enforcement is like handing a bandaid to a corpse.

I'd like to see a reasonable solution to these issues based upon long term scientific study and that is something we do not have compared to the earth's age.
 
The OP wanted a brief on Brexit, but very few (two at my count) provided it!

Those who wish to discuss editorial, policy should start a new thread and those expressing partisan views are simply trying to stir up trouble.

It's over, apart from Scotland which is a different (and very much a political!) case, and the PM will take us out..

Get over it.
 
Laurie said:
Those who wish to discuss editorial, policy should start a new thread and those expressing partisan views are simply trying to stir up trouble.

It's over, apart from Scotland which is a different (and very much a political!) case, and the PM will take us out..

Get over it.
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Those who wish to discuss editorial, policy should start a new thread ?

Do you mean start a ‘new’ thread about the rule regarding ‘no politics allowed?’

Talk about an oxymoron. 🙄
 

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