Do you really care?
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Davey Jones
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re:On a similar note, I assume you're an avid gun rights supporter.
AWWW jeez..JIM,lets stick with the topic and save that gun rights for another gun topic,otherwise we'll be here all day once that group gets whiff of the word "guns."
AWWW jeez..JIM,lets stick with the topic and save that gun rights for another gun topic,otherwise we'll be here all day once that group gets whiff of the word "guns."
MrJim
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Yes, it certainly appears that the KKK & the Aryan Brotherhood have slick video propaganda production capabilities, but it is still nothing more than hyperbole & alarmist propaganda nonetheless.
Regarding the above video, below is the review from Snopes.com who rated the video as MOSTLY FALSE:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/demographics.asp
MrJim
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I did that to illustrate the logical flaw in his thinking.
If it's OK for one person to call all members of one religious faith "animals" based on the actions of a small minority of them, then it's OK for another person to use the same logic against any other group, including gun advocates.
IOW, what's good for the goose is good for the gander as the old saying goes.
I was just making that point.
MrJim
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prove it
MrJim
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Probably pre-dates that even.
Probably goes back to the days of neanderthal man & they just never were able to stop fighting with each other.
But then again, given that the temperature over there gets up to 120° in the daytime in that part of the world & they're surrounded by nothing but dirt & sand, it's hard to blame them for being irate & pissed off all the time.
I probably would be too!!!!
Davey Jones
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Sad to say but there are also a lot of crazy Americans animals living next door to us.
There's a lot of truth in many of the opinions that have been expressed in this thread, also a lot of misunderstanding.
Referring to the Israelis and Palestinians as "idiotic countries" shows the ignorance of the writer. The Palestinians are not a country, really; they are the non-Jewish (mostly Muslim) residents of Israel. (A mostly meaningless "State of Palestine" has been created, but it is an idea more than a land.) Most of them are as peace-loving as anyone else. The violence is coming from Hamas, a terrorist group. Calling Hamas a "country" would be like referring to the Mafia as a country. They want violence and killing, that's apparently all they know how to do. They will sacrifice any number of their own people to express their hate of Israel. And yes, this stuff goes back for centuries.
The Israelis are a civilized, modern nation, mostly secular, who are trying to live in the midst of escalating hatred and violence against them. Netanyahu and his followers are pretty right wing, and no doubt have inflamed some of the hatred against Israel, although from what I've seen over the years, Hamas and their ilk don't need much of an excuse. Like many American liberals, I think those settlements are a bad idea. But an Israeli friend of mine points out that Israel made a mistake turning Gaza over, as Hamas is using that place to build tunnels and military installations from which to lob rockets into civilian centers of Israel.
I don't even know what they are fighting over. Israel is a tiny country, about the size of NJ. And it's probably the only place in the middle east that has no oil! I think the fighting is motivated by religious fanaticism, pure and simple.
Making concessions doesn't seem to get any peace for Israel; it just encourages the terrorists, who apparently perceive it as a sign of weakness. Sadly, I don't think there is any solution to this problem, short of WW3.
Referring to the Israelis and Palestinians as "idiotic countries" shows the ignorance of the writer. The Palestinians are not a country, really; they are the non-Jewish (mostly Muslim) residents of Israel. (A mostly meaningless "State of Palestine" has been created, but it is an idea more than a land.) Most of them are as peace-loving as anyone else. The violence is coming from Hamas, a terrorist group. Calling Hamas a "country" would be like referring to the Mafia as a country. They want violence and killing, that's apparently all they know how to do. They will sacrifice any number of their own people to express their hate of Israel. And yes, this stuff goes back for centuries.
The Israelis are a civilized, modern nation, mostly secular, who are trying to live in the midst of escalating hatred and violence against them. Netanyahu and his followers are pretty right wing, and no doubt have inflamed some of the hatred against Israel, although from what I've seen over the years, Hamas and their ilk don't need much of an excuse. Like many American liberals, I think those settlements are a bad idea. But an Israeli friend of mine points out that Israel made a mistake turning Gaza over, as Hamas is using that place to build tunnels and military installations from which to lob rockets into civilian centers of Israel.
I don't even know what they are fighting over. Israel is a tiny country, about the size of NJ. And it's probably the only place in the middle east that has no oil! I think the fighting is motivated by religious fanaticism, pure and simple.
Making concessions doesn't seem to get any peace for Israel; it just encourages the terrorists, who apparently perceive it as a sign of weakness. Sadly, I don't think there is any solution to this problem, short of WW3.
Falcon
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Good explanation there Sunny. Thanks for putting everything straight.
Saves a lot of argumentation.
Saves a lot of argumentation.
MrJim
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No problem.
To help my own understanding I like to check footnotes and crunch numbers. You've all heard it right? It's all over the blogosphere. It's in all the Rifqa Bary articles. Atlas Shrugs knows it. Jihad Watch knows it. The United Nations Population Fund estimates that 5,000 Muslim women are victims of honor killings annually. Wow! That's a major problem.
Let's start with the footnote.
UNFPA: Chapter 3: Ending Violence against Women and Girls"Throughout the world, perhaps as many as 5,000 women and girls a year are murdered by members of their own families..."
It's not 5,000 Muslim honor killings. It's 5,000 women and girls murdered by members of their own family. Huge difference! Women murdered in America would be included as part of that statistic. The report does say many (not most) of them are honor killings, and the majority of honor killings are in Muslim majority countries, but it makes no estimate as to how many that is. I'm not trying to diminish the issue, just refine the statistics. Honor killings are a major problem.
Now, let's give it some perspective.
Let's accept the 5,000 number as our first sample, flawed as it is. We'll presume all 5,000 women and girls murdered by members of their own families are Muslim, even though we know that's not true, and put motive aside for the moment. A recent report from the The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life found that there are an estimated 1.57 billion Muslims in the world, which is approaching 25% of the world population. We'll use that as our second sample. That's 3.2 per Million Muslim women murdered by their family annually.
Now, lets look at America.
According the FBI Expanded Homicide Data There were 14,180 US murders in 2008. Of those, 930 were women and girls murdered by their own families. We'll use that as our first sample. According to The Bartleby World Factbook for 2008 the United States had approximately 301 million people the year these statistics were gathered. So, let's accept that as our second sample. That's 3.1 per Million American women murdered by their family annually.
So the difference between the rate at which Muslims murder women in their family and Americans murder women in their family is 1 per 10 Million. That's a statistically insignificant difference, especially considering we know the 5,000 sample would actually include the 930 American murders.
http://www.examiner.com/article/honor-killings-lies-damn-lies-and-statistics
majority of Muslims hate the Jews because the holocaust gets more worldwide attention than they. pure jealousy. add to it in WW2 Hitler enlisted muslims to hunt down the jews
MrJim
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Many good points.
Re: the part in bold, supposedly what they are fighting over is the land that used be Palestine, but in 1948, was annexed by the UN & became the country of Israel.
The Arabs feel that it was stolen from them & demand it back.
It is a situation that is so tangled up, complex & convoluted that many ME scholars don't fully understand it.
MrJim
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Prove it.
that's a horrible copy and paste. add to it your links don't work. 404 errors, page cannot be display. and it has NOTHING to do with muslim honor killings what so ever. wanna try again ???
say what huh???
MrJim
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Horse crap. Try reading it again. The article accurately & factually addressed the issue. You can feel free to accept it or not, makes no difference to me.
I don't know why the link doesn't work, but if you do a Google search of the following - lies damn lies & statistics sf examiner article - the article I posted will be the first result.
I don't know where you got that bit about prostitution, but it wasn't in anything I posted.
Davey Jones
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Grab a face cover and a few rocks and ill show what they are fighting over. Last I heared they were killing each other over 3 dead teenagers and you say "The Israelis are a civilized nation" I dont think so.
We probably have 3 dead teenagers killed every day in car crashes,so do start throwing stones at General Motors because its their fault?
I dont think so.
MrJim
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Well, that was a waste of five or six minutes being told what I already knew.
But where in that video was there one word of proof of your statement... "majority of Muslims hate the Jews because the holocaust gets more worldwide attention than they. pure jealousy."?
Didn't hear one word.
MrJim
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OK fine, so I didn't check out every link in the article.
But as far as the statement you quoted from it about Indian prostitutes, are you saying it's not true?
Or do you have some other issue with it?
it was in your link. you tell me
MrJim
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Given all the news reports I've seen about forced prostitution in various countries around the world, I have no reason to doubt it.
But since that particular subject has nothing to do with what we were talking about, there is no reason to discuss it here.
Trying to change the subject, are ye?