This is insanity plus

Yes, Justme; but again, that is a generalisation, just as Uk has been generalised in other topics.
some parts of US are very strange....but not all....I hope and believe!
surely that is why we are here; to be able to debate and try and understand a different point of view; even if we don't agree with it!

I am a little philosophical this morning.....and no; I haven't been drinking.
So I will go away...
 

It is nice to see some furriners like Vivjen understand and appreciate the us of the US...
 

I am sure he can; which is why I join in!
but it makes me think; then my mind wanders off...
 
certainly regrettable, correct teaching technique would have placed the instructor/range officer behind the shooter, so the weapon could have been controlled by simply pushing the appropriate shoulder away from the no fire zone.
uzi's, H@K, Mac 10, Thomsons etc. in the US are not submachine guns, a submachine gun is a select fire weapon and tightly controlled by the government, available but must have a tax stamp from the BTAF. These are no different than any other carbine, but of course the name has implications. Young folk are taught to shoot in the US before the mind control people get to them, I was taught at the age of six in the Boy Scouts.

Don't feel bad the commentator in a CNN broadcast got called out for the same mistake, and also the Head of the BATF in a news broadcast on Friday didn't even know the difference, categorizing them in all in the "evil gun" category.

Apparently this instructor had a tax stamp and from the news report instructed the girl to fire one shot then a burst. The UZI by definition is a automatic, but can be select fire (what lay people call full auto). The bolt is extremely heavy about 3-4 lbs. and the slamming of it back into the frame causes the recoil. The gun shoots a 9mm pistol round, not a high power rifle round.

Several years ago a similar incident happened at the Knolls Hill Tennessee machine gun shoot.

Yes people get to together and shoot machine guns (Nancy Pelosi, Barry Obama, and Michael Bloomberg were all sent personal invitations, with the entry fee waived, but refused to come, can't imagine why) God what a country.
 
Doesn't much bother me hearing about some gun goofball getting smoked.

Live by the gun, die by the gun.
 
Yes and the gun control crowd love a death they can exploit. , Some people live a little more on the edge. Can I borrow your SPF 85?
 
America likes to think of itself as a civilised country, but its insane gun laws give the lie to that, imo!
 
Yes and the gun control crowd love a death they can exploit. , Some people live a little more on the edge. Can I borrow your SPF 85?

While the gun nut crowd exploits every death to push their pro-gun paranoia.

Always talking about how guns are safe in the hands of responsible gun owners, then something like this happens to dispel that myth.

Guns are dangerous & can cause death even in the hands of the most experienced user.
 
define civilized -- a lot those gun laws are being changed thank goodness
Chicago's law against gun carry was struck down-- unconstitutional --- crime rate down
Washington DC struck down for the same reason
California's ten day waiting period struck down for the same reason
this time it is a grass roots movement that will change a lot
70 percent of hand gun purchases and CCW permits in last 6 months were women.

But then you don't have a constitution do you?
 
prescription drugs and swimming pools are responsible for more deaths than guns in the US

but then prescription drugs don't form gangs---

if the gun didn't cause damage there wouldn't be an issue, DAAAAA.
 
define civilized -- a lot those gun laws are being changed thank goodness
Chicago's law against gun carry was struck down-- unconstitutional --- crime rate down
Washington DC struck down for the same reason
California's ten day waiting period struck down for the same reason
this time it is a grass roots movement that will change a lot
70 percent of hand gun purchases and CCW permits in last 6 months were women.

But then you don't have a constitution do you?

Of course, if it weren't for the insane number of guns in the US, the crime rates in places like Chicago, DC & California wouldn't be what they are to begin with, would they?

So, a good definition of civilized might be, a society where average citizens DON'T HAVE TO arm themselves to the teeth in order to protect themselves from other people who are armed to the teeth.
 
We don't have a written constitution..... It has been around for a while.

We do have gun control....not perfect, I know. We need knife control....

BBC is interviewing the owner of the range concerned at the moment....a tragic accident.
 
your argument doesn't wash, people kill (murder, you have the two confused) not guns. criminals do not follow the law, a fact over your head.

an armed society is a polite society (civilized) but then you don't have a constitution do you
 
insanity refers to a condition of animated things, generally human, not guns-- to imply that the gun numbers are insane implies an a priori knowledge on your part that is BS
 
apparently your constitution denies the basic right of every living thing --- self defense

I'll pass just as my ancestors did when they came here
 
prescription drugs and swimming pools are responsible for more deaths than guns in the US

but then prescription drugs don't form gangs---

if the gun didn't cause damage there wouldn't be an issue, DAAAAA.

Strawman argument.

Unlike handguns, swimming pools & prescription drugs have primary purposes for something other than killing other people.

The handgun was designed with no other purpose in mind, other than to drive projectiles into flesh.

One can have a fatal accident walking down the stairs, but that doesn't make stairs a deadly weapon anymore than swimming pools or prescription drugs are deadly weapons.
 
the MURDERING of people is illegal and guns don't do it only people-- and again criminals don't care.

the term deadly weapon is a value judgement on your part... I'll bet SifuPhil can do just as much damage to a person with a ball point pen in the eye as a gun.
 


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