This is insanity plus

rkunsaw said:
I'm a firm believer in teaching young people how to shoot and handle guns, but a 9 year old should be shooting 22s and not auto loaders either. A single shot, bolt action, or pump where each round has to be manually loaded is appropriate. Very few adult gun owners have ever shot an automatic weapon. I haven't. I do have a "Tommy Gun" but it is a semi-auto version.
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Nothing wrong with that at all. We had .22 rifles & small gauge shotguns when I was a kid. My best friend when I was 12, was a member of the NRA. Used to go to meetings & target practice one Saturday a month. Rode his bicycle about 2 or 3 miles down the highway, with his rifle slung across his back. Never even raised an eyebrow.
 

We used to have BB gun fights and you weren't supposed to aim for the head. Some graduated to 22 fights making their own protection and hiding down by the rocks on the shoreline, but that wasn't for me...
 
I knew some crazy people when I was growing up & we did some some crazy & stupid things.

But having fights with real guns firing live ammo, was not one of them, thank God.

That's just insane.
 

We went to slingshots after some of our BB guns were confiscated by nervous parents. Hard grapes were the main ammo...
 
Ralphy1 said:
We used to have BB gun fights and you weren't supposed to aim for the head. Some graduated to 22 fights making their own protection and hiding down by the rocks on the shoreline, but that wasn't for me...
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Your mates were idiots.

We did the same thing with weapons we made ourselves. We used a handful of wet clay launched from the tip of a green stick. It was non lethal fun.
 
Ralphy1 said:
We were warriors in the making, not idiots, or sooks...
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We were just kids playing games.
We played games to have fun.
That what childhood is for.

Military training for teens over here is a little more supervised.
School cadets are not allowed to shoot at anything but targets.
It's bad form to shoot at other cadets and your rifle will be confiscated.
 
Well, maybe you should have made Tonto your hero and you could have run around almost nekkid...
 
I was serious even as a lad and did not pursue trivia too far. In fact, I only read Classic comic books so I wouldn't know who Lord Loxley is either...
 
Never heard of Robin Hood?

Sorry Ralphy, I shouldn't tease you.
We, as in Australians, didn't have TV before 1957 so we had to read or listen to the radio or go to the movies.
The books were mostly English, the radio was Australian and the movies were American.
We were multicultural before the word was invented.
 
Men in Tights--- isn't that Mel Brooks Movie?

Today, the games you discovered (they have existed since recorded history), are done with paint ball and soft air, inside and outside through out the US, and comic books are marketed along the guidelines established by Joseph Campbells, "Hero with a Thousand Faces".
 
rkunsaw said:
I'm a firm believer in teaching young people how to shoot and handle guns, but a 9 year old should be shooting 22s and not auto loaders either. A single shot, bolt action, or pump where each round has to be manually loaded is appropriate.
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I agree Rkunsaw, but they should be taught by family or instructors at home, and a 9 year old with no experience should stick to 22s, shot in an areas where she lives, not as a kick on a vacation. I disagree with the burgers and bullets concept, where they eat at a diner then go out back to take shots, when they have no gun training at all. They say there was never an incident there, but this is a big one, they need to rethink what they're doing. :(
 
rt3 said:
... I'll bet SifuPhil can do just as much damage to a person with a ball point pen in the eye as a gun.
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But I can't do it from 1,500 meters, nor 300 times per minute.

It took me many years to learn how to do it and even more to learn how NOT to do it. I shudder to think what our country would be like if everyone could gain that kind of skill just by going to Walmart and paying for a license.

No, I'm afraid I can only dream that I'm as lethal as a firearm. :eek:
 
Ralphy1 said:
I was serious even as a lad and did not pursue trivia too far. In fact, I only read Classic comic books so I wouldn't know who Lord Loxley is either...
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All I know is that he's character in the PBS series Mr Selfridge...

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I like that we have so much freedom here, but the automatic and semi-automatic weapons, which seem to be more for war, I think should be regulated heavily, to protect the citizens. Where I live almost everyone has an arsenal of guns. But usually it is quiet around here.
 
They are regulated heavily, it is obvious you have never bought one. Do you think the reason it is quiet is because the bad guys know the good guys have arsenals. DAAA

as was stated. less than .3% of the crimes were made by Mr.Jims spray and pray crowd. From FBI statisics, the use of handguns by law abiding citizens will occur within 7 yds, and will be 93% of all instances used. 1500 yds and high cycle rates are only pertain to state sanctioned executions (assignations)
most people wouldn't be able to acquire your skills in a lot of time Sifu, that is why Colt called the revolver " the great equalizer".

Most states require a hunters safety course in getting a hunting lic. and which requires hands on showing the instructor that the shooter knows the weapon and safety. The actual art of shooting is not taught unless one goes to a "gun school". This is what Sifu is talking about in 1500 yd shooting, which is the thing movies are made of. Point in fact is that the hardest people to teach are usually hunters, male and have a backround in firearms usually from a hunting heritage. Quite a few are of the mindset that the knowledge flows from the weapon down the arms into the shooters head. The easiest to teach are woman who have never touched a gun and because of a deadly threat to them, taken this path.
Martial artists make the best students because they have already been taught distancing, defense perimeter and basic self defense mindset. It would not matter if there were that many deadly martial artists in hand to hand combat, (see Samuel Colts quote), whether it occurred from hard work or Walmart as the purpose of extended force weapons (force multiplers, sophisticated rock throwers) is to negate that advantage. As a side note, doing away with firearms would simply shift the methodology to stick, and edge weapons.

Ok burgers are out, how about doughnuts?
 
rt3 said:
... 1500 yds and high cycle rates are only pertain to state sanctioned executions (assignations)
most people wouldn't be able to acquire your skills in a lot of time Sifu, that is why Colt called the revolver " the great equalizer".
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The Great Equalizer ... some folks needed to have that lesson enforced in a rather direct way. I'm thinking of the Boxer Rebellion in China in 1900, where the Boxers thought their martial arts training and magic amulets would protect them from bullets.

Needless to say, they were wrong, and they lost their lives and Beijing as a result.

Sometimes you just have to acknowledge superior strength.

Most states require a hunters safety course in getting a hunting lic. and which requires hands on showing the instructor that the shooter knows the weapon and safety. The actual art of shooting is not taught unless one goes to a "gun school". This is what Sifu is talking about in 1500 yd shooting, which is the thing movies are made of.
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I was thinking of military snipers when I pulled that figure out of my head, but they aren't usually the kind we find running amok on the streets. Interesting point about not being taught the art of shooting - maybe that should be part of the curriculum ...

Point in fact is that the hardest people to teach are usually hunters, male and have a backround in firearms usually from a hunting heritage. Quite a few are of the mindset that the knowledge flows from the weapon down the arms into the shooters head. The easiest to teach are woman who have never touched a gun and because of a deadly threat to them, taken this path.
Martial artists make the best students because they have already been taught distancing, defense perimeter and basic self defense mindset. It would not matter if there were that many deadly martial artists in hand to hand combat, (see Samuel Colts quote), whether it occurred from hard work or Walmart as the purpose of extended force weapons (force multiplers, sophisticated rock throwers) is to negate that advantage. As a side note, doing away with firearms would simply shift the methodology to stick, and edge weapons.
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Same with martial arts students - I always dreaded getting a new student that had previous instruction, whether formal or from the streets, because they were set in their ways and many times their ways were deadly wrong.

I've always taught (and been taught) that any weapon is merely an extension of your hand, but the problem is that the analogy begins to break down when it comes to firearms. You'd need pretty long arms to match the take-down abilities of your street-variety .38 Special. So then the trick becomes getting inside the effective range not only of the weapon (which is pretty much 0 inches) but of the shooter themselves, an act which takes either training, luck or insanity.

I've seen (and used) the argument that if you eliminate guns you would end up using sticks and stones, but I think the reality there is that you are not then capable of taking out multiple targets within seconds. It slows the process down when you get rid of your force-multipliers, a lesson we obviously were meant to learn from such events as the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

Ok burgers are out, how about doughnuts?
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Darn, I like burgers. :(
 
well, rt3, have pity on an older lady, whose memory is not what it used to be. I do think, that maybe my very sweet neighbor, who is a gun aficionado, told me about this, in the state of California. I had forgotten. My other neighbor is an expert on guns, an old professor, in his late 80's, very knowledgeable, has taught gun safety lessons, for years, and taught me how to shoot a small shotgun.

I should have said, it is quiet now, around here. In the past, we have had to call the sheriff's dept, as bullets were whizzing over our heads, and hitting the gate, etc., and you will laugh at this, all done by the neighbor deputy sheriff, who must have not had any gun safety lessons! And, the other neighbors who were poaching from the other direction, (never called anyone on them). And the other neighbors who were shooting for hours with semi-automatic weapons, until we had to call them when the bullets again landed at our feet, and they also worked for the sheriff's dept. They may have been shooting illegally, as it stopped cold, after we called them (they are so scary, we would never call the sheriff on them). Not sure, though. Anyway, for a while, around here, it was very exciting! We were wondering if my husband (an EMT) would have to patch anyone up, as our friends were visiting; did corroborate our story.
 

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