Street people asking for money

Aneeda72 said:
I am quite sure JC throughly interviewed everyone before he helped them to make sure he performed no miracle on anyone who refused to work, was a drug addict, insane, or had some other socially unacceptable behavior.

Oh, wait, wasn’t there something about those without sin cast the first stone? Oh, well, that probably doesn‘t apply. 😂
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This approach continues to come up.
I'd not normally quote from a source like this, but here goes:

If you get caught exposing any kind of sin, hypocrisy, or inconsistency in the life of someone, the drive-by commenters and the amateur pundits will often remark, “He who is without sin, cast the first stone.”
This comeback is so popular these days that it comes second only to Matthew 7:1, which says, “Judge not, that you be not judged.”
https://plainsimplefaith.com/he-who-is-without-sin-cast-the-first-taken-out-of-context-stone/
 

In the 1970's the Fed mandated-all patients in mental hospitals must be receiving
therapy. Mental hospitals will no longer be storage house for alcoholics, chronic
mentally ill or the 'peculiar.'
The patients not actually receiving therapy were released-in mass.
They flooded the streets:the serious mentally ill, the chronic mentally ill and the 'peculiar'
They will not stay in half-way houses.
They will not follow up on going to their local MHMR facility.

Where did they go?
They became street people.

Their still there, each generation finds their home on the street.
There is no rules regarding what they can or cannot doo
(Homeless shelters, the Salvation Army, each organization
that attempts to assist these homeless people has rules
which the homeless cannot, will not follow.)

What percentage of the street people are mentally ill?
I do not know.
I know they would rather have the freedom on the street than be in
a facility with 'their damn rules.'

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jerry old said:
In the 1970's the Fed mandated-all patients in mental hospitals must be receiving
therapy. Mental hospitals will no longer be storage house for alcoholics, chronic
mentally ill or the 'peculiar.'
The patients not actually receiving therapy were released-in mass.
They flooded the streets:the serious mentally ill, the chronic mentally ill and the 'peculiar'
They will not stay in half-way houses.
They will not follow up on going to their local MHMR facility.

Where did they go?
They became street people.

Their still there, each generation finds their home on the street.
There is no rules regarding what they can or cannot doo
(Homeless shelters, the Salvation Army, each organization
that attempts to assist these homeless people has rules
which the homeless cannot, will not follow.)

What percentage of the street people are mentally ill?
I do not know.
I know they would rather have the freedom on the street than be in
a facility with 'their damn rules.'

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Check my post in the 'addiction in older adults' thread (health section) as to what's going on locally..
 

JaniceM said:
This approach continues to come up.
I'd not normally quote from a source like this, but here goes:

If you get caught exposing any kind of sin, hypocrisy, or inconsistency in the life of someone, the drive-by commenters and the amateur pundits will often remark, “He who is without sin, cast the first stone.”
This comeback is so popular these days that it comes second only to Matthew 7:1, which says, “Judge not, that you be not judged.”
https://plainsimplefaith.com/he-who-is-without-sin-cast-the-first-taken-out-of-context-stone/
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Yup, I like them both.
 
jerry old said:
In the 1970's the Fed mandated-all patients in mental hospitals must be receiving
therapy. Mental hospitals will no longer be storage house for alcoholics, chronic
mentally ill or the 'peculiar.'
The patients not actually receiving therapy were released-in mass.
They flooded the streets:the serious mentally ill, the chronic mentally ill and the 'peculiar'
They will not stay in half-way houses.
They will not follow up on going to their local MHMR facility.

Where did they go?
They became street people.

Their still there, each generation finds their home on the street.
There is no rules regarding what they can or cannot doo
(Homeless shelters, the Salvation Army, each organization
that attempts to assist these homeless people has rules
which the homeless cannot, will not follow.)

What percentage of the street people are mentally ill?
I do not know.
I know they would rather have the freedom on the street than be in
a facility with 'their damn rules.'

.
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I am aware of this. I have a mentally ill grandson who receives SSI. As a teenager he dug a hole in a friends backyard, ran a line from his friends house, and lived there for a few months. When the parents discovered him (guess they didn‘t go in the back much) he was booted out.

He spent the winter in a drain pipe. He could have lived with grandparents if he could have followed rules, which he could not. For years now he has lived with his mother who controls his SSI. I also did foster care for a mentally ill teenagers.

As for my grandson, he is 6’4” and about 300-400 pounds. He walks around carrying a large tall cane like object. He is a very frightening person. I’m pretty sure if he asked you for a dollar you’d give it to him. 😂. But I don‘t think he “begs”. I have not seen him in years.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Pepper, you may have a low income and a middle-class appearance, but you have an upper-class mind.
Remind your son of his filial duty to take care of the one who brought him into the world.
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Wow. Lovely words, thank you. Let me set your mind at ease. My son is my greatest friend. He's so good to me, I'm blessed.
 
JimBob1952 said:
That is great. I feel the same way about my son, despite his misguided political leanings.
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Lol, he probably thinks you are the one with misguided political leanings. (I will add that when my daughter went back home after visiting us with her family she called and said she left me something in the kitchen. 500 dollars. 😮. Was this a contest? Do I win?). 😂
 
Aneeda72 said:
Lol, he probably thinks you are the one with misguided political leanings. (I will add that when my daughter went back home after visiting us with her family she called and said she left me something in the kitchen. 500 dollars. 😮. Was this a contest? Do I win?). 😂
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He most certainly does!

God bless you and your daughter. No contest at all and I admire your giving spirit.
 
rgp said: "For the most part ..... People create their own circumstances , good or bad."

My argument is with the first four words. Replace them with "Sometimes..."

And even so, are they not entitled to an ounce of compassion?

Lyrics (Sung by Elvis Presley)

Walk a mile in my shoes
Walk a mile in my shoes
Yeah, before you abuse, criticize, and accuse
Walk a mile in my shoes…

Now there are people on reservations
And out in the ghetto
And, brother, there, but for the grace of God
Go you and I

If I only had the wings
Of a little angel
Don't you know I'd fly to the top of a mountain
And then I'd cry, cry, cry?

Walk a mile in my shoes
Walk a mile in my shoes
Yeah, before you abuse, criticize, and accuse
Walk a mile in my shoes

Songwriter: Joe South
Walk a Mile in My Shoes lyrics © The Bicycle Music Company
 
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Em in Ohio said:
rgp said: "For the most part ..... People create their own circumstances , good or bad."

My argument is with the first four words. Replace them with "Sometimes..."

And even so, are they not entitled to an ounce of compassion?

Lyrics (Sung by Elvis Presley)

Walk a mile in my shoes
Walk a mile in my shoes
Yeah, before you abuse, criticize, and accuse
Walk a mile in my shoes…

Now there are people on reservations
And out in the ghetto
And, brother, there, but for the grace of God
Go you and I

If I only had the wings
Of a little angel
Don't you know I'd fly to the top of a mountain
And then I'd cry, cry, cry?

Walk a mile in my shoes
Walk a mile in my shoes
Yeah, before you abuse, criticize, and accuse
Walk a mile in my shoes

Songwriter: Joe South
Walk a Mile in My Shoes lyrics © The Bicycle Music Company
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I'll stick with [for the most part] thank you.
 
rgp said:
I'll stick with [for the most part] thank you.
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I must be one of your exceptions, for the most part.

By the time I was three I was standing on a chair drying dishes. I don’t remember when they started beating me, but I do remember grandma telling me my dog really didn’t go live on a farm. He was destroyed by the police when I was five. He took exception to my dad beating me, dad ran, and locked himself in the bathroom.

He was halfway through eating his way through the door when the police got there. He was a Chow. He tried to save me. I was kidnapped and raped when I was 7. I do remember some of this. Since I was ”ruined”, the beatings increased. It was, after all, my fault, according to my parents.

I supposed I was not responsible, for the most part, for my circumstances.
 
JaniceM said:
In my opinion, there are two different reasons or approaches:

In some cases, even good-hearted people can eventually become fed-up with being conned, scammed, and taken advantage of.

In others, though, there are those who truly believe nobody deserves any help at all.
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Yes, I often wonder if I am being conned or not. But I say, so what? I'm not giving my life savings and what I give isn't going to change my life style. And as I said before. I have been conned by people wearing suits for a lot more.
This thread is an eye opener.
 
rgp said:
IMO, create .... if one is born into a bad situation, it is up to them to correct it , no ?

I'm speaking about social situations,etc, Not physical problems / conditions.
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Some are able to correct their bad situation. Some can't. It's not always possible to correct every bad situation. But it is very easy to criticize those who can't correct it while you sit smugly in your good situation.
 
rgp said:
IMO, create .... if one is born into a bad situation, it is up to them to correct it , no ?

I'm speaking about social situations,etc, Not physical problems / conditions.
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What you are saying is that you should be able to get a job or whatever to correct their poverty.
In reality it doesn't work that way especially in the United States.
You see if you are born into poor family your chances of becoming rich are not what they are for those born into rich families.
Education, connections, etc.
If a person is born into a poor family, the only hope he might have is to excel in sports so he might be able to get a scholarship or whatever to bring his education level up to where he can get a good paying job. That's what it's all about isn't it? All kinds of kids I grew up with had to quit school and get a job to help support the family.
Now what we are talking about in this thread is people asking for money on the street.
For me it's a no brainer. If you have something that small and can't share it with someone what you have is nothing.

When the depression took place how could you expect people to correct their bad situation? All kinds of people sold apples or whatever just to get by.
There's no magic bullet where you can suddenly become wealthy just by work alone.

I honestly think you think that homeless people want to be that way by choice. Loosen up. It's good for the soul.
 
rgp said:
IMO, create .... if one is born into a bad situation, it is up to them to correct it , no ?

I'm speaking about social situations,etc, Not physical problems / conditions.
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Seriously? You have no ideal what you are talking about in this situation. IMO.
 
When I lived in the city I gave to street people all the time. Many hung out in the subway 24/7 because they can. Where I live now we don’t have homeless begging for money since we live in the country but we sometimes see people at popular intersections in the city. I do not give these people money here as I think it’s a dangerous place to be begging and I especially hate when they play it up and look right at you to see what effect it has

I’ve no problem helping anyone out as long as it’s MY decision. Once people start getting cheeky or throwing guilt my direction, all generosity ceases.

Another factor that matters whether I’m going to give or not is circumstantial. Last year when my husband was on a trip, I went by myself to a fast food place to buy some junk food. Something I rarely do. When I got my item and sat in the parking lot to eat it. Suddenly someone was banging on my window which scared me so I screeched and jumped. He then made hand signs for me to roll my window down. Absolutely not. I got out of there so fast.

On the subway I really liked giving to musicians and some of these people are really good. Creative inspiration can come from pain and sorrow.

Anyway, yes I do give to beggars sometimes and sometimes not. It depends on the circumstances and my safety.
 
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Providing monetary or other types of support is a matter of choice. If you do so with resentment, you are harming yourself.
 
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