Changed my stance on the mask issue.

squatting dog

squatting dog

Remember when... thirty seemed so old.
Location
Arkansas, and also Florida
I have now officially changed my mind about masks.
I would like our president to issue an executive order that masks will now be mandatory in all public places for at least 2 months.
Why the change you ask? Simple... If everyone now has to wear a mask, that means the whole country can now open back up. ( no reason for any lock downs)
Kids can go back to school ( teachers can't say they're being put in danger now )
prisoners can go back to jail.
All business can now open. (again, no danger to the public)
Congress must go back to work. (okay, I'm not sure that's a good thing)
The economy booms. (as all are working)
Won't need mail in ballots, because again, everyone will be protected.
Now, for those who say what about touching the voting machine's, no sweat, got it covered. Everyone gets a pair of food handlers throw away glove's before entering the booth. Those gloves are cheap and can be bought by the millions.
A secondary bonus with masks, is everyone who comes to vote now has to show that their face matches their ID .(can you say voter ID) Faces to be shown from a safe distance of course.
The big bonus.... 2 months of no people to people contact should surely weaken if not eliminate the virus.
The bigger bonus... 2 months means the country would be in great shape again, and it would still be before election day. :)
 

I'm glad that you changed your stance on wearing a mask even though I detect a note of sarcasm in your post. ;)

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squatting dog said:
No sarcasm intended. (a first for me) :) It just occurred to me today that a 2 month deal might end all the madness, and take politics out of the discussion.
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It would all be part of a reasonable solution, e.g., people can go to work (with masks) and go about their essential business (with masks) or go to school (with masks) or shop (with masks) but they can't crowd into bars or go to concerts or political rallies, masks or no masks, until the end of the calendar year or until daily infections drop below 1000 per day nationwide (currently at 65,000 and seem to be rising).
 
JimBob1952 said:
It would all be part of a reasonable solution, e.g., people can go to work (with masks) and go about their essential business (with masks) or go to school (with masks) or shop (with masks) but they can't crowd into bars or go to concerts or political rallies, masks or no masks, until the end of the calendar year or until daily infections drop below 1000 per day nationwide (currently at 65,000 and seem to be rising).
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But there are too many of "the 'ME' Generation" with 'Gonna do what I want.. nobody can tell me what to do.. my rights.. waa waa waa!" and passing the same self-centeredness on to young people. :mad:
 
JaniceM said:
But there are too many of "the 'ME' Generation" with 'Gonna do what I want.. nobody can tell me what to do.. my rights.. waa waa waa!" and passing the same self-centeredness on to young people. :mad:
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Well, if the law says the bars are closed, and the bars are open, you put the bar owner in jail. If the law says you wear a mask on the bus, you don't get on the bus without a mask. If you do, you pay a fine or go to jail. I don't see a problem with that.
 
JaniceM said:
But there are too many of "the 'ME' Generation" with 'Gonna do what I want.. nobody can tell me what to do.. my rights.. waa waa waa!" and passing the same self-centeredness on to young people. :mad:
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I am not arguing with you really......I see your point but .......

In reality this country was founded on the exact principles you see as negative. By that I mean our founders fought the oppression of a tyrannical government , fought for religious freedom , etc. & so-on.

Laws were never meant to be imposed over night. Laws were meant to be decided by a governing body. Congress/National senate/state senate,etc. Trickle on down to as local as ?

And people are rebelling against these [shoot from the hip] decisions, that are putting folks out of work. and closing businesses that were hard fought to build .......... only to have nothing but closed doors.

If folks didn't fight against the big issues 244 years ago, we wouldn't have what we have . Well now these are the big issues.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Well, if the law says the bars are closed, and the bars are open, you put the bar owner in jail. If the law says you wear a mask on the bus, you don't get on the bus without a mask. If you do, you pay a fine or go to jail. I don't see a problem with that.
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The mask/bus thing is almost silly really.......to get on the bus, yeah, put on the damn mask.

But the bar/restaurant thing ? .......... now you're affecting peoples income/livelihood . Perhaps the bar owner & the staff have no other means of income ? Matter of fact, good chance of that .

Open the places, let those who choose to go there go, and those who choose not to ..... well

In my case for example, it would be easy for me to sit here and talk bossy. When I stay home for other reasons than covid, and I have a pension for income. So who am i to just tell someone else what to do , when maybe they have no other way to feed themselves & their family.
 
JimBob1952 said:
If the law says you wear a mask on the bus, you don't get on the bus without a mask. If you do, you pay a fine or go to jail. I don't see a problem with that.
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The problem with that is, how do you enforce it? We've already had a bus driver killed because he tried to get someone to wear a mask as well as a security guard in a grocery store. I'm sure there's been more. It's easy to say "No mask no entry," but some poor stiff making $10 an hour is stuck enforcing the law
 
rgp said:
The mask/bus thing is almost silly really.......to get on the bus, yeah, put on the damn mask.

But the bar/restaurant thing ? .......... now you're affecting peoples income/livelihood . Perhaps the bar owner & the staff have no other means of income ? Matter of fact, good chance of that .

Open the places, let those who choose to go there go, and those who choose not to ..... well
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The problem is, they then spread the virus at work to some poor older schmuck who's over 60 and at high risk but can't afford to retire yet. If someone wants to play Russian Roulette I could care less because they're the only one dying. This is way different. I'm all for American rugged individualism, but some time you have to come together for the common good. I do agree it's much easier for us retired folk to feel this way.
 
garyt1957 said:
The problem is, they then spread the virus at work to some poor older schmuck who's over 60 and at high risk but can't afford to retire yet. If someone wants to play Russian Roulette I could care less because they're the only one dying. This is way different. I'm all for American rugged individualism, but some time you have to come together for the common good. I do agree it's much easier for us retired folk to feel this way.
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Only if that poor old schmuck chose to go there .... if he fears it ? then he should stay home.
 
garyt1957 said:
The problem with that is, how do you enforce it? We've already had a bus driver killed because he tried to get someone to wear a mask as well as a security guard in a grocery store. I'm sure there's been more. It's easy to say "No mask no entry," but some poor stiff making $10 an hour is stuck enforcing the law
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Good point.... Bus drivers are not the police, and they have no [real] law / authority to back them.
 
rgp said:
Only if that poor old schmuck chose to go there .... if he fears it ? then he should stay home.
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No you miss my point. He doesn't go to the bar, he's distancing. But he has to go to work where he encounters the careless bar goer and gets sick. That's the problem. If the people in bars only got sick themselves and didn't spread it, I'd say you go girl/boy.
 
I never would have guessed there would be so many anti-masks people in view of the soaring number of deaths. I wonder if there was a military invasion how many Americans would claim it is their constitutional right not to follow orders from the military to protect themselves and their neighbors.
 
There are people in my dept at work who have traveled & been out partying. They have come to work with no masks. They are now being tested & quarantined for 2 weeks. God only knows who all has been infected. The consequence of not everyone cooperating is the fact that almost everyone will get it. Some of us will die because we have to work with these careless people.
 
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This is me - in hospital back in April having a really fun time with COVID-19. You know - the virus that some say does not exist? I lost 3 stone in 3 weeks. I was lucky enough to avoid needing to go on a ventilator by using the CPAP mask you see me wearing. It’s tight and uncomfortable - very! I needs to be to force high levels of oxygen into you that helps repair the damage the virus is doing. During my 10 days in hospital I wore this for long periods of time including overnight. I honestly thought that I was going to die and never see my family again. When I came home I could still feel it on my face 24/7 for about 3 weeks. I’d wake during the night - feel it on my face and go into a panic attack thinking I was still in hospital and that coming home was just a dream. It’s been almost three months now and I still get the occasional nightmare and panic attack. I’ve always said I will only wear a face mask if forced to do so. Well here we are. So I will wear one. And yes - I fully expect the results to be unpleasant.

If I can do it - YOU can do it. Do it for each other. You do not want this virus - trust me.
 
@-Oy-! Wow! So sorry about this. Thank you for sharing your experience wih us.

Are you fully recovered other than the occasional nightmares and panic attacks, or have you had ongoing symptoms?
 

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