Changed my stance on the mask issue.

rgp said:
I am not arguing with you really......I see your point but .......

In reality this country was founded on the exact principles you see as negative. By that I mean our founders fought the oppression of a tyrannical government , fought for religious freedom , etc. & so-on.

Laws were never meant to be imposed over night. Laws were meant to be decided by a governing body. Congress/National senate/state senate,etc. Trickle on down to as local as ?

And people are rebelling against these [shoot from the hip] decisions, that are putting folks out of work. and closing businesses that were hard fought to build .......... only to have nothing but closed doors.

If folks didn't fight against the big issues 244 years ago, we wouldn't have what we have . Well now these are the big issues.
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True.. but sometimes it comes to the point where people should realize the rights and good of all are much more important than individual rights.
 

squatting dog said:
I have now officially changed my mind about masks.
I would like our president to issue an executive order that masks will now be mandatory in all public places for at least 2 months.
Why the change you ask? Simple... If everyone now has to wear a mask, that means the whole country can now open back up. ( no reason for any lock downs)
Kids can go back to school ( teachers can't say they're being put in danger now )
prisoners can go back to jail.
All business can now open. (again, no danger to the public)
Congress must go back to work. (okay, I'm not sure that's a good thing)
The economy booms. (as all are working)
Won't need mail in ballots, because again, everyone will be protected.
Now, for those who say what about touching the voting machine's, no sweat, got it covered. Everyone gets a pair of food handlers throw away glove's before entering the booth. Those gloves are cheap and can be bought by the millions.
A secondary bonus with masks, is everyone who comes to vote now has to show that their face matches their ID .(can you say voter ID) Faces to be shown from a safe distance of course.
The big bonus.... 2 months of no people to people contact should surely weaken if not eliminate the virus.
The bigger bonus... 2 months means the country would be in great shape again, and it would still be before election day. :)
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Sadly, this is what should have been done from Day One. Of course, masks would have had to be hospital grade, not handkerchiefs!
 
StarSong said:
@-Oy-! Wow! So sorry about this. Thank you for sharing your experience wih us.

Are you fully recovered other than the occasional nightmares and panic attacks, or have you had ongoing symptoms?
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No symptoms but plenty of problems still. I have six weeks of Physio sessions followed by group therapy sessions starting next week so hopefully they will help. The Doc says it will probably be a year before I'm fully fit.
 
MarciKS said:
Sometimes sacrifices have to be made for the good of everyone. A mask isn't that big a deal in the grand scheme of things.
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Your right, the Mask is no big deal.....but it is the over-night/shoot from the hip placement of the law / ordnance that upsets some. Again, law should not be mandated by one person, basically over night. To some/many ... that is scary.

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. "
 
rgp said:
Your right, the Mask is no big deal.....but it is the over-night/shoot from the hip placement of the law / ordnance that upsets some. Again, law should not be mandated by one person, basically over night. To some/many ... that is scary.

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. "
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I have come to fear the US government, but not because of face masks.
Couldn't agree more that laws should not be mandated by one person, basically over night.
 
I think oy's picture and explanation should be with his permission presented as a public service announcement explaining the reality of this virus.

Back in Jan & Feb there was information about the virus but ignored as it not being a problem for the rest of the world. That changed but there remains those that are content with the it won't happen to me mindset. Videos are still available of what was happening in China back then.

As for who or how a law is set in motion the ability to enforce one just isn't there. So for politicians it's a win situation. They are "doing all they can" yet knowing that enforcing isn't a reality.
 
Knight said:
I think oy's picture and explanation should be with his permission presented as a public service announcement explaining the reality of this virus.

Back in Jan & Feb there was information about the virus but ignored as it not being a problem for the rest of the world. That changed but there remains those that are content with the it won't happen to me mindset. Videos are still available of what was happening in China back then.

As for who or how a law is set in motion the ability to enforce one just isn't there. So for politicians it's a win situation. They are "doing all they can" yet knowing that enforcing isn't a reality.
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I heard vague references to it in March, but not anything direct til April.
 
fmdog44 said:
I have all reusable masks and spray them and or wash them.
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Heard a tale about an elderly woman who was confirmed as having Covid-19. Husband insisted on 2nd and then 3rd opinions and all MDs rendered the same diagnosis. He kept pressing the issue insisting on more testing for his wife who was incidentally gravely ill.

Turns out it was Legionnaire's.
 
rgp said:
Your right, the Mask is no big deal.....but it is the over-night/shoot from the hip placement of the law / ordnance that upsets some. Again, law should not be mandated by one person, basically over night. To some/many ... that is scary.

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. "
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Yes but you need to remember...they're just trying to keep us all safe the only way they know how. I truly don't see the mask thing as a political issue or a rights issue. I believe in my heart that they aren't out to place fear in us with the masking. I just think right now that as dangerous as COVID is & as fast as it's spreading...their only concern right now is to slow it down so it doesn't kill us all.

I think the news media is having a ball scaring the hell out of people but I believe the CDC or the WHO or whoever are just trying to get this under control. The problem is they should've all sat down & had their little chat & agreed to do this from the get go. Maybe we wouldn't be in this predicament. But it's part of their responsibility to do what needs to be done to keep from having everyone die from these things when they pop up.

When you consider how little they know & how little can be done & how fast & furious this thing is becoming...they are in grave danger of being judged for not keeping us safe. I think those that want to be vaccinated should do it when the time comes. And if those of us who don't have to mask up forever then so be it.

At least they're trying. I think if a certain someone would have had their way...they might have covered this whole thing up & never told us & let us all die.
 
-Oy- said:
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This is me - in hospital back in April having a really fun time with COVID-19. You know - the virus that some say does not exist? I lost 3 stone in 3 weeks. I was lucky enough to avoid needing to go on a ventilator by using the CPAP mask you see me wearing. It’s tight and uncomfortable - very! I needs to be to force high levels of oxygen into you that helps repair the damage the virus is doing. During my 10 days in hospital I wore this for long periods of time including overnight. I honestly thought that I was going to die and never see my family again. When I came home I could still feel it on my face 24/7 for about 3 weeks. I’d wake during the night - feel it on my face and go into a panic attack thinking I was still in hospital and that coming home was just a dream. It’s been almost three months now and I still get the occasional nightmare and panic attack. I’ve always said I will only wear a face mask if forced to do so. Well here we are. So I will wear one. And yes - I fully expect the results to be unpleasant.

If I can do it - YOU can do it. Do it for each other. You do not want this virus - trust me.
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OMG...so sorry you went through that. Thank you so much for sharing this...very courageous of you! I hope the virus has not caused any long term adverse affects for you Oy.
 
squatting dog said:
I have now officially changed my mind about masks.
I would like our president to issue an executive order that masks will now be mandatory in all public places for at least 2 months.
Why the change you ask? Simple... If everyone now has to wear a mask, that means the whole country can now open back up. ( no reason for any lock downs)
Kids can go back to school ( teachers can't say they're being put in danger now )
prisoners can go back to jail.
All business can now open. (again, no danger to the public)
Congress must go back to work. (okay, I'm not sure that's a good thing)
The economy booms. (as all are working)
Won't need mail in ballots, because again, everyone will be protected.
Now, for those who say what about touching the voting machine's, no sweat, got it covered. Everyone gets a pair of food handlers throw away glove's before entering the booth. Those gloves are cheap and can be bought by the millions.
A secondary bonus with masks, is everyone who comes to vote now has to show that their face matches their ID .(can you say voter ID) Faces to be shown from a safe distance of course.
The big bonus.... 2 months of no people to people contact should surely weaken if not eliminate the virus.
The bigger bonus... 2 months means the country would be in great shape again, and it would still be before election day. :)
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That could work but I think it will be gone no matter what by 11-4-20.
 
I don't think it will be gone by election day. I HOPE it will, but I doubt it., it's just too big.
Sorry to be a bummer, but that's what I think. :(
 

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