Ebola Patient's Family Ostracized & Feel Short Changed

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The Dallas Ebola patient's family feel ostracized by their own family and friends even from their own country. They also can't believe there isn't an Ebola medicine available. Apparently stuff they used earlier or had some success is not available.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/as...family-copes-with-stigma-isolation/ar-BB7IyC0

They complain their kids are complaining and can't see other family members and friends. No one wants to visit them either. They said they were told see you in 30 days which is the window they are using to declare no Ebola. So rather than turn in a family member from an Ebola region of Africa right away they wait until he gets sick. They did pursue getting him care but again they let a high risk individual into their home. The medicine used is experimental/so new it's not in mass production yet. Apparently there is Canadian company along with a US company that make Ebola drugs and both are out.
 

Plus I was told not to drink out of public water fountains.. and if I sat still for more than 5 minutes my mom was asking me if my neck hurt. She was really freaked out.
 

Hopefully the CDC will be able to develope a vacine and medication to treat.. But as a side not... You realize the House of Representatives cut funding to the CDC by $600 million. The President has requested $1 Billion to fight the disease... Congress has only approved $50 million.. Thanks Boehner..
 
Just one more reason to re-institute stronger immigration laws and medical testing like we had in the past.

I don't feel sorry for these people - they're already being taken care of on the taxpayer's dime, and this guy sounds like a conman.
 
Pappy said:
Sounds a lot like the polio epidemic of the 40's. Mothers were keeping their children home and I remember my mom wouldn't let me go swimming for the longest time. A close classmate of mine did have it and was in an iron lung.
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I was thinking about the polio vaccine earlier today Pappy, when someone had brought up the flu vaccine. I remember that well. Seems I heard that some folks that had received the vaccine had gotten polio in later years, something like that. Maybe it was people that had it once, got it again. I can't remember.

I do think there will be more and more diseases crop up on us as time goes by. Seems there is always a new commercial with a new drug for a new disease. Makes me wonder what is causing all these:(

Love your avatar;) Denise
 
The ebola virus is not new.. Nor is this the first outbreak of it. It IS however, the worst as it happened to hit in 3 of the poorest countries on earth.. Countries that do not have the resources to mount much of a fight against it... and countries where customs and distrust of modern medicine make it much more difficult to fight the spread of the disease.
 
I remember polio -- one of my friends got it. I was one of the "Polio Pioneer" kids who got the first immunizations.

All the fuss about quarantine -- when I was a kid, quarantining a family was not that uncommon. We got quarantined when my sister got scarlet fever, and we all survived (including my sister). People got quarantined with measles. Being quarantined isn't the end of the world. Friends/relatives brought us groceries and left them on our porch and we went out and got them after the people left. The only person who came in was the doctor.

Maybe part of the reason that family is bring "shunned" is because they knowingly let a person who might be infected in to their home and into the neighborhood. They KNEW where he was from, and they had to have known ebola was raging there and how deadly it was, yet they let him in. They were in on planning his visit -- he didn't just drop in from Liberia. Very stupid and dangerous choice, for them and for all those friends they are complaining they can't see. This may sound very harsh, but IMHO they brought this on themselves.
 
Did they KNOW this person was infected? It's my understanding he did not become ill until 4 days after he arrived? Did he tell the family he carried a dying pregnangt woman to the hospital and she had ebola? Not every person in Liberia is infected... so that's why I question how YOU know they knew that he was? and yes... a tad harsh.. but victim blaming is something we do well in this counrty.
 
Quarantining one family is mild compared to the drastic actions that had to be adopted in the past to contain epidemics.

This is what happened in Sydney in 1900 when bubonic plague broke out.

The Bubonic Plague hit Sydney in January 1900. Spreading from the waterfront, the rats carried the plague throughout the city. Within eight months 303 cases were reported and 103 people were dead.
Quarantine areas established

These stretched from Millers Point east to George Street, along Argyle, Upper Fort, and Essex Streets then south to Chippendale, covering the area between Darling Harbour and Kent Streets, west to Cowper Street, Glebe, along City Road to the area bounded by Abercrombie, Ivy, Cleveland Streets, and the railway. The area east from George Street enclosed by Riley, Liverpool, Elizabeth and Goulburn Streets, Gipps, Campbell and George Streets were also quarantined, as were certain areas in Woolloomooloo, Paddington, Redfern and Manly. (This is quite a large area of the city of Sydney)

Cleansing
Cleansing and disinfecting operations in the quarantine areas lasted from 24 March – 17 July and included the demolition of ‘slum’ buildings. Photographs were taken of buildings before demolition and inspectors took notes of other property destroyed. The photographs also include the interior and exterior of houses, stores, warehouses and wharves, and surrounding streets, lanes and yards, thus providing a fairly clear indication of the state of the city during and immediately after the Plague.

Local residents were employed to undertake the cleansing, disinfecting, burning and demolition of the infected areas, including their own homes. Shovels, brooms, mattocks, hoses, buckets, and watering cans, were tools used to clear, clean, lime wash and disinfect. Not only buildings and dwellings were subjected to the cleansing operations but also wharves and docks were cleared of silt and sewerage.

Cleansing agents used during the cleansing operations included: solid disinfectant (chloride of lime); liquid disinfectant (carbolic water: miscible carbolic, 3/4 pint water, 1 gallon); sulphuric acid water (sulphuric acid, 1/2 pint water, 1 gallon); carbolic lime white (miscible carbolic 1/2 pint to the gallon).

Rat catchers were employed and the rats burned in a special rat incinerator. Over 44,000 rats were officially killed in the cleansing operations.
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Bubonic plague is unknown in Australia today thanks to containment of earlier outbreaks.
 
We have also erradicated Small Pox and Polio. There is already research being done on an ebola treatment using the blood antibodies from people who have survived the illness. Like all viral illnesses, the body will eventually build up antibodies and fight off the disease.. that's why viruses are self limiting. Then research can begin on an actual vaccine... provided funds are allocated.. not cut.
 
Butterfly said:
I remember polio -- one of my friends got it. I was one of the "Polio Pioneer" kids who got the first immunizations.

All the fuss about quarantine -- when I was a kid, quarantining a family was not that uncommon. We got quarantined when my sister got scarlet fever, and we all survived (including my sister). People got quarantined with measles. Being quarantined isn't the end of the world. Friends/relatives brought us groceries and left them on our porch and we went out and got them after the people left. The only person who came in was the doctor.

Maybe part of the reason that family is bring "shunned" is because they knowingly let a person who might be infected in to their home and into the neighborhood. They KNEW where he was from, and they had to have known ebola was raging there and how deadly it was, yet they let him in. They were in on planning his visit -- he didn't just drop in from Liberia. Very stupid and dangerous choice, for them and for all those friends they are complaining they can't see. This may sound very harsh, but IMHO they brought this on themselves.
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Or maybe it's not really being 'shunned' so much as people are afraid that while they might not be showing symptoms yet, they're carrying the virus and will get sick, so folks are afraid that they'll catch it.
 
QuickSilver said:
We have also erradicated Small Pox and Polio. There is already research being done on an ebola treatment using the blood antibodies from people who have survived the illness. Like all viral illnesses, the body will eventually build up antibodies and fight off the disease.. that's why viruses are self limiting. Then research can begin on an actual vaccine... provided funds are allocated.. not cut.
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You say self limiting but is it possible that this virus has the capability to mutate much faster than most and it might only die out when there are no new potential victims? I am not an expert on virus's so I'm asking as you seem to have the best handle on this kind of thing. At least on this forum.
 
QuickSilver said:
We have also erradicated Small Pox and Polio.
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Except for the smallpox samples being held in a U.S. research facility and the ones that disappeared from the Russian labs, as documented in the book "Biohazard".

Since no one born after 1978 has been immunized for it, should it turn up again from these samples there would be another mad rush for the vaccine ...
 
Ebola has been around since 1976.I'm sure it has been around forever, but that is how long we have known of it. . It has not mutated so far. AIDS has not become airborne either..
 
According to an article in Washington Post, the ebola virus has mutated during the course of this outbreak. http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...235aaa-2ecb-11e4-bb9b-997ae96fad33_story.html


"The Ebola virus sweeping through West Africa has mutated repeatedly during the current outbreak, a fact that could hinder diagnosis and treatment of the devastating disease, according to scientists who have genetically sequenced the virus in scores of victims.....Thursday’s study also details hundreds of genetic mutations that make the current Ebola outbreak different from any in the past."


 
Fine with me... Believe as you wish.. maybe it has mutated.. Is it airborne YET? Can we now catch it like we can measles? Or Chickenpox? If so.. then yes.. we are all going to die..

No.. seriously... Here is an article from the UN that states it is NOT mutating... If the Washington Post is your source... it is nothing more than a Republican shill.. and wants people to be frightened.

and you should know by now that I never make definitive statements without having a source. If you choose to believe the Washington Post.. or other rags spreading fear.. go ahead.. As Chicken Little said.. "The sky is falling!!!"

http://article.wn.com/view/2014/10/03/Ebola_Not_Mutating_Not_Airborne_United_Nations/

There is a theoretical risk, it may be very low, we simply don’t know, that Ebola could become easier to spread through genetic mutation,” Frieden said to members of the press. “That risk might be very low, but it’ probably not zero. And the longer it spreads, the higher the risk.”The outbreak which became serious in March has spread throughout West Africa, hitting Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea the hardest. According to official estimates over 1,550 people have died from the infection, though due to challenges of reporting deaths and cases, those numbers likely underestimate total fatalities.
Smaller outbreaks have occurred in Nigeria and Senegal. The CDC is hopeful that through public health education and improved preparation, smaller outbreaks can be contained.
Frieden noted that while the threat of genetic mutation is possible, he has no indications that it has occurred. “Nothing we have seen so far indicates that Ebola is spreading differently in this outbreak.”
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Debby said:
Well when you make such 'definitive' statements like 'it hasn't mutated' and someone else has read in several articles that it is mutating fast, what do you expect? Better to say nothing? At least I provided a link to prove I didn't make it up right?
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That was a good read, just finished it Debby, thanks for that.
 
QuickSilver said:
Fine with me... Believe as you wish.. maybe it has mutated.. Is it airborne YET? Can we now catch it like we can measles? Or Chickenpox? If so.. then yes.. we are all going to die..

No.. seriously... Here is an article from the UN that states it is NOT mutating... If the Washington Post is your source... it is nothing more than a Republican shill.. and wants people to be frightened.

and you should know by now that I never make definitive statements without having a source. If you choose to believe the Washington Post.. or other rags spreading fear.. go ahead.. As Chicken Little said.. "The sky is falling!!!"

http://article.wn.com/view/2014/10/03/Ebola_Not_Mutating_Not_Airborne_United_Nations/
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QuickSilver, the article you linked to said it is not mutating to become airborne. But according to other researchers it is mutating in ways that could make detection and treatment difficult. (...And the virus has mutated during the outbreak, which could hinder diagnosis and treatment of the disease, according to scientists who genetically sequenced the virus in scores of victims.)

If you had read the link I set out here, you would have noted that it was the Washington Post reporting the results of a study that was reported in the journal Science and that researchers at Harvard were involved. Not exactly the musings of 'a rag like Washington Post'.

("The findings, published Thursday in the journal Science,......In a collaboration led by scientists at Harvard University and aided by officials at Sierra Leone’s health ministry, researchers sequenced Ebola virus genomes from 78 patients beginning in the early days of the outbreak this spring......Thursday’s study also details hundreds of genetic mutations that make the current Ebola outbreak different from any in the past.....")

Little side note: I find it interesting that your link comes from a paper that came out of Russia. Your link got it from RiaNovasti which is a Russian site. I thought the American policy was 'can anything good come out of Russia? Nyet!'
 

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