Shooting of Breonna Taylor, and the "no knock" procedure, plus "stand your ground".

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Ellen Marie said:
Two police officers were shot tonite in Louisville.... a curfew was set for 9:00 pm, which was not followed by the protestors.......two wrongs don't make a right..... but lawlessness......is not the answer.
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Sure, they [rioters] didn't get the result they wanted, from the system we have in place, so hit the street , burn it down.

They're too damn lazy to get up of their asses and campaign for actual change that they might see as necessary. But they have plenty of energy to riot , loot & burn.........Do they really think they will, should be taken seriously?
 

A portion of 911's statement was; "I can only say that had her boyfriend not shot first, the police may not have returned fire and everyone would still be OK. "

That makes sense but are you also saying to our gun-happy home defenders that when someone barges through the door into their living room, un-announced, gun in hand, they should wait for the first shot to be fired, or politely ask who these people are and what are they about?

We can't have it both ways and do these "home defenders" actually sit watching the TV with gun in hand, just in case? That scenario would be really pathetic.
 
The parts that many want to continue to ignore, for all of the BS that has been pushed, here is the truth as determined by a grand jury:

It was not a no-knock warrant, and witnesses corroborated the fact that they did in fact knock and announce.
It was NOT the wrong house.
The warrant was for the boyfriend, who was wanted for attempted murder for shooting at the police during an attempted drug bust.
Drugs being in the apartment or not had ZERO to do with it, it was not a drug raid, it was an arrest warrant.
The boyfriend fired first.
Only one officer initially entered, he was shot immediately.

And think about this one, please: Somehow Brianna ended up with multiple gunshot wounds, while the boyfriend had none. I have an idea how that happens, but won't speculate out loud, there is far too much speculation already.
 
I find there are some things about this case that seem odd. The police claim that they knocked on the door and announced themselves. If we take that as fact, then when Mr. Walker opened fire on them ,and shot one; it was with the knowledge of who they were. Then he would have been guilty of what, attempted murder? Are there laws about intentionally shooting a policeman? Yet, all charges were dropped? Even if Miss Taylor was somehow involved with illegal drugs, even the police admit; it was in the secondary role of probably keeping someone else's stash in her home. (There were no illegal drugs whatsoever found in her home.) Since her death, if there was any evidence of any criminal activity, it would surely have been leaked by the police. And there's nothing. Yet , police were able to obtain a "no knock" search warrant, where they could bash down the door in the middle of the night, and terrorize her by entering her home, in plain clothes with guns drawn. That seems like a high price to pay for the war on drugs. Have we gone over the edge in trying to stop illegal drugs? Yes. those involved with illegal drugs can be vile, dangerous, inhuman predator's, but I don't believe we need to create a like minded police force. Again, this goes to how poorly trained, and unprofessional some police forces are. Call me old fashion, but I don't think executing a search warrant should need not a causality report.
 
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Just to set the record straight and maybe to educate some of you that care about such things, there is a reason why police do "knock-downs" after midnight. Actually, seeing that these cops waited until just after midnight to serve the warrants seemed a little early to me, but to each his own. Most knock-downs are done around 3-4 in the morning. Why? Because most people, including drug dealers, murders, etc. are either in bed or wasted. Doing a knock-down at that time gives the Officers an advantage. So, for those of you that wrote that you would assume someone coming into your door at such an early hour was a home invasion and you would come out shooting, good luck with that. However, it has been reported that Senator Rand Paul (Rep., Kentucky) is seeking to have the No-Knock warrant law removed from the books. It will be called, "Breonna's Law."

There are now sworn affidavits stating that the cops did knock and announce. We have no-knock warrants here in PA, which the Assembly is attempting to have outlawed. Personally, I hope it passes. They are dangerous for both parties.

I really don't have much more to add to what has already been stated above. The list of items below are either an opinion or a fact that has been reported as such. (Unless marked as being verified, it has not been.)
1. If there had not been any other issues going on in the U.S. at the time of Ms. Taylor's shooting, I doubt if the Grand Jury would have returned any indictments in this case, This was done only in the hopes that it may appease the mobs, which it didn't. (Opinion)

2. Because the Officers were fired on first, they were within their rights to return fire, open door or closed door. (I don't know exactly what the law is in Kentucky.) Bad decision doesn't make it illegal. This will be a tough case for the D.A., especially if there is a change of venue granted.

3. The Officers had a total of 4 warrants in hand. Ms. Taylor's name was on those warrants. (fact)

4. Ms. Taylor was found driving a rental car with a dead body in it, which could not be explained, so no one has been charged as of now. Her ex-boyfriend, Jamarcus Glover, also used the car, so the suspicion of the dead body lies with him being involved. (fact)

5. Ms. Taylor's ex-boyfriend was a known drug dealer and the police did have warrants for him also. They tied Ms. Taylor to Glover through surveillance videos that show them in Glover's home on numerous occasions. (As of now, I have not been able to substantiate this info.)

Just trying to keep it real.

Stay Well!
 
911 said:
Just to set the record straight and maybe to educate some of you that care about such things, there is a reason why police do "knock-downs" after midnight. Actually, seeing that these cops waited until just after midnight to serve the warrants seemed a little early to me, but to each his own. Most knock-downs are done around 3-4 in the morning. Why? Because most people, including drug dealers, murders, etc. are either in bed or wasted. Doing a knock-down at that time gives the Officers an advantage. So, for those of you that wrote that you would assume someone coming into your door at such an early hour was a home invasion and you would come out shooting, good luck with that. However, it has been reported that Senator Rand Paul (Rep., Kentucky) is seeking to have the No-Knock warrant law removed from the books. It will be called, "Breonna's Law."

There are now sworn affidavits stating that the cops did knock and announce. We have no-knock warrants here in PA, which the Assembly is attempting to have outlawed. Personally, I hope it passes. They are dangerous for both parties.

I really don't have much more to add to what has already been stated above. The list of items below are either an opinion or a fact that has been reported as such. (Unless marked as being verified, it has not been.)
1. If there had not been any other issues going on in the U.S. at the time of Ms. Taylor's shooting, I doubt if the Grand Jury would have returned any indictments in this case, This was done only in the hopes that it may appease the mobs, which it didn't. (Opinion)

2. Because the Officers were fired on first, they were within their rights to return fire, open door or closed door. (I don't know exactly what the law is in Kentucky.) Bad decision doesn't make it illegal. This will be a tough case for the D.A., especially if there is a change of venue granted.

3. The Officers had a total of 4 warrants in hand. Ms. Taylor's name was on those warrants. (fact)

4. Ms. Taylor was found driving a rental car with a dead body in it, which could not be explained, so no one has been charged as of now. Her ex-boyfriend, Jamarcus Glover, also used the car, so the suspicion of the dead body lies with him being involved. (fact)

5. Ms. Taylor's ex-boyfriend was a known drug dealer and the police did have warrants for him also. They tied Ms. Taylor to Glover through surveillance videos that show them in Glover's home on numerous occasions. (As of now, I have not been able to substantiate this info.)

Just trying to keep it real.

Stay Well!
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So why was the family granted $12,000,000.00?
That’s a LOT of zeros. Just keeping it real!
 
Pepper said:
@911
Your #s 3 & 4 have the word 'fact' after them. May I have a link for them, please? Just trying to keep it real.
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#3–Warrants
#4–Rental Car & More

I didn’t want to post #4 because it may appear that I am attempting to muddy Ms. Taylor’s name, which was (is) not my intent at all. In that court report, you may learn other things that you were not aware of.
 
@911
Thank you. It is appreciated.
Questions:

Your number 3 "The Officers had a total of 4 warrants in hand. Ms. Taylor's name was on those warrants"
Didn't the warrant pertain to her apartment and not her, precisely? I admit, didn't want to read the whole thing, sorry.

Your number 4 "4. Ms. Taylor was found driving a rental car with a dead body in it ..."
from your source "in December that year, she let him borrow a car she rented. The next day, the body of Fernandez “Rambo” Bowman, 27, was found inside the vehicle. When police came to interview Taylor about it ..."
The source does not say anything about her being at the wheel when the body was discovered.
 
Keesha said:
So why was the family granted $12,000,000.00?
That’s a LOT of zeros. Just keeping it real!
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You have to realize who the family’s attorney is. Ben Crump is a notorious, energetic go-getter on these types of cases. It was in the best interest of Louisville to settle this case for the amount that it did and have it done with. The city did want this case settled ASAP. Their thinking was that they could smooze the masses with a fat settlement. The police union and the D.A. wanted to wait until the entire investigation was completed, but the Mayor and council wanted it done and over with. So-be-it. How did that thinking work out for Louisville?

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Pepper said:
@911
Thank you. It is appreciated.
Questions:

Your number 3 "The Officers had a total of 4 warrants in hand. Ms. Taylor's name was on those warrants"
Didn't the warrant pertain to her apartment and not her, precisely? I admit, didn't want to read the whole thing, sorry.

Your number 4 "4. Ms. Taylor was found driving a rental car with a dead body in it ..."
from your source "in December that year, she let him borrow a car she rented. The next day, the body of Fernandez “Rambo” Bowman, 27, was found inside the vehicle. When police came to interview Taylor about it ..."
The source does not say anything about her being at the wheel when the body was discovered.
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Pepper, you ask some very good questions. Were you in law enforcement?

#3—I really can’t tell you what was in the warrant without reading it. From what I have read, those were just search warrants.
#4–That’s right. As I stated in my initial post, no one was charged because there was no evidence of who did what. Once the police knew that Glover used the car, suspicion fell on him.

I know this is going to sound like I am strictly trying to defend the police, but in this case, I don’t think the cops did any wrong. It’s like one of the lawyers who was interviewed, but not involved in the case stated, “If you hang around with thugs, bad things can happen.”

Once Mr.Walker fired the first shot, they had every right to defend themselves. Having and using bad judgment is not a crime. I was kind of surprised that the one officer was indicted. Again, I think this was done to appease the citizens. They should have known better.
 
911 said:
You have to realize who the family’s attorney is. Ben Crump is a notorious, energetic go-getter on these types of cases. It was in the best interest of Louisville to settle this case for the amount that it did and have it done with. The city did want this case settled ASAP. Their thinking was that they could smooze the masses with a fat settlement. The police union and the D.A. wanted to wait until the entire investigation was completed, but the Mayor and council wanted it done and over with. So-be-it. How did that thinking work out for Louisville?

Settlement
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Thank you. 🙏
And the short answer.... they were guilty.
Nobody gets awarded that kind of money just to settle the crowds.
911 said:
I know this is going to sound like I am strictly trying to defend the police, but in this case, I don’t think the cops did any wrong.
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Sorry 911. Yes it does. I’m no longer surprised why there so much turmoil. 🥺
 
911 said:
You have to realize who the family’s attorney is. Ben Crump is a notorious, energetic go-getter on these types of cases. It was in the best interest of Louisville to settle this case for the amount that it did and have it done with. The city did want this case settled ASAP. Their thinking was that they could smooze the masses with a fat settlement. The police union and the D.A. wanted to wait until the entire investigation was completed, but the Mayor and council wanted it done and over with. So-be-it. How did that thinking work out for Louisville?

Settlement
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Yeah. It's all that damn attorney's fault. Police did nothing wrong.
Except for that minor error - killing an innocent person.
 
win231 said:
I'm reminded of the same thing after the Rodney King beating (where police officers bragged that they "Hit a few home runs that night" and
"This whole neighborhood is like Gorillas in the Mist" - referring to black people.)
Police went on & on about Rodney King's criminal record - as if that justified what they did - which was worse than anything he did.
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After the L.A. incident Rodney King became a local resident in neighboring San Bernardino County. He was a "frequent flyer" in our facilities for minor substance abuse matters; I don't recall if he had done prison time, but he just was a big like-to-party kind of guy. He resided in my[at the time] home town of Rialto, Calif., was found to have drowned in a pool(2012) at his residence. Alcohol, cocaine, and PCP may have been a contributing factor.
 
Keesha said:
If these people were so guilty why award a $12,000,000.00 settlement? It doesn’t make sense.

Note: it’s a surprise visit by plain clothes officers (12 people didn’t hear a knock ) yet no drugs were found and the warrant is said to be questionable.

If this was a surprise visit by plain clothed men, then it shouldn’t be a surprise that these plain clothed officers got shot at

All Americans I know have boldly and proudly stated that if anyone breaks into their home, they shoot them. Why is this so different? How was the home owner to know these were police officers breaking in?

Shouldn’t rules be the same for everyone across the board? I’m trying to understand this but just can’t.
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The settlement was awarded for the same reason a criminal pleads guilty to a lessor charge with a shorter sentence, rather than go to trial & risk being convicted of the more-serious crime, with a longer sentence.
 
Nathan said:
After the L.A. incident Rodney King became a local resident in neighboring San Bernardino County. He was a "frequent flyer" in our facilities for minor substance abuse matters; I don't recall if he had done prison time, but he just was a big like-to-party kind of guy. He resided in my[at the time] home town of Rialto, Calif., was found to have drowned in a pool(2012) at his residence. Alcohol, cocaine, and PCP may have been a contributing factor.
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Yes, no question he was an alcoholic, drug addict & criminal. He had two previous felony convictions before the incident.
Which is precisely why police should have just arrested him. As a 3rd-strike felon, he would probably have received a 20-year sentence.
Instead, because of four moron cops, he became a millionaire - the settlement from the city was 3.8 million.
"Crime doesn't pay?"
 
win231 said:
Johnny Cochran's successful defenses are mostly due to police racism & incompetence - which O.J. is eternally grateful for. He just knew how to use what already existed.
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I don't think that LAPD's handling of the murder investigation was particularly touched by any racism, one detective-Mark Fuhrman had made some racists remarks 10 years prior, but that didn't have any bearing on O.J's case. Incompetence? One thing that stood out was poor documentation of the chain of custody, in regards to the handling of physical evidence. Johnnie Cochran was superior at detecting weak points in a case, and he was all over that, in a heartbeat. All local police agencies quickly learned from that, and tightened up their policies on evidence collecting & handling.
 
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