Wales is not the place to be...

StarSong said:
@Furryanimal, surely this won't be forever. It'll just feel like it for a while. :cry:
When a safe, effective vaccine becomes available the activities you mentioned will surely return.

I understand your pain and frustration. A few weeks of near isolation would be a bitter pill to swallow.
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on top of months already... I feel for @Furryanimal ..
 

hollydolly said:
on top of months already... I feel for @Furryanimal ..
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It’s not that I don’t feel for furryanimal, I do. But my feelings are very mixed and very restrained. I am, as usual, being honest and open. @hollydolly

I feel more for the 223,000 plus Americans who would rather be in lockdown than dead. Who would rather exist in lockdown, than not exist. I feel more for their families, their orphaned children. I feel more for the circumstances in MY country, than I do for the circumstances in any other country. As I should.

I don’t mean to be offensive to anyone. The forum is global which is great. People from all around the world feel free to comment on things happening in America which is great. But we have over 8,411,000 cases of the virus. We had over 71,000 new cases of the virus yesterday. Thousands of people die here every week.

In comparison, to a lockdown, well, there is no comparison that I can see. But perhaps, if hollydolly and furryanimal or anyone else can explain the comparison to me, well, I am willing to listen. Because the economy can recover from a lockdown, individuals can recover from “just existing”. There is no recovery from death.
 
Aneeda72 said:
This will never happen! Imagine the lawsuits.
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Sorry, I'm coming into this discussion late in the game. I wonder about the "lawsuit" question. If there is a strict rule that masks must be worn at all times while in school, and the kids without masks risk being sent home and not promoted, and then they do it anyway, what legal grounds would the parents have to sue?

However, what about lunch hour? Obviously, they'd have to remove the masks to eat lunch. So, then what?
 

@Aneeda...I don't disagree with you. In fact I agree wholeheartedly, and it's my Mantra... . and has been all this year.. we've gone through months of lockdown here , and due mainly to the younger element who thought they were untouchable where this virus was concerned and continued to party... here, to demonstrate in their thousands and various rallies , to refuse to wear Masks , parts of this country are now back up to the levels of march.. ( not here in the south east and East of England thank goodness)... 700 hundred students were diagnosed in one Northern University alone just days after returning to University... however regardless as to whose fault it is.. some places and some people are having their mental health affected by this who are being locked up needlessly .. people who live alone like Furryanimal.. who have been in not necessarily the worst affected area of the UK, but being dictated to by a Leader who has been given the first bit of real power ..and is using it to it's full affect.. without regard for the fact that mental health is being affected quite seriously in people who are alone, without friends , or family..now for almost 9 months ....telling those people that 223,000 people have died in the USA ( god rest their souls)..is not going to improve their mental well-being..

I'm not arguing about it..I'm just saying that some people are affected very badly in other ways by this virus, and that has to be respected too
 
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Sunny said:
Sorry, I'm coming into this discussion late in the game. I wonder about the "lawsuit" question. If there is a strict rule that masks must be worn at all times while in school, and the kids without masks risk being sent home and not promoted, and then they do it anyway, what legal grounds would the parents have to sue?

However, what about lunch hour? Obviously, they'd have to remove the masks to eat lunch. So, then what?
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In the uk, the law states you are allowed to remove masks for eating or drinking.. in restaurants and bars so I suspect that rule will be the same in Universities and schools

In the UK..children are not required to wear masks under the age of 11
 
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Sunny, public schools cannot create punishments that don't fit the crime, then hide behind, "they knew the consequences" in a court of law.

If 12 year old children remove their masks, essentially failing them for the year would be extraordinarily punitive. Indeed, even children who bring weapons to school don't lose a year of education as a consequence.

A far more appropriate consequence would be putting them in online classes.

If my kids took off their masks in school and I was told that they'd be held back because of it, you can bet your bottom dollar that I'd call the local news stations, the newspaper and a lawyer. Tout de suite.
 
hollydolly said:
@Aneeda...I don't disagree with you. In fact I agree wholeheartedly, and it's my Mantra... . and has been all this year.. we've gone through months of lockdown here , and due mainly to the younger elemnt who thought they were untouchable where this virus was concerned and continued to party... here, to demonstrate in their thousands and various rallies , to refuse to wear Masks , parts of this country are now back up to the levels of march.. ( not here thank goodness)... 700 hundred students were diagnosed in one Northern University alone just days after returning to University... however regardless as to whose fault it is.. some places and some people are having their mental health affected by this who are being locked up needlessly .. people who live alone like Furryanimal.. who have been in not necessarily the worst affected area of the UK, but being dictated to by a Leader who has been given the first bit of real power ..and is using it to it's full affect.. without regard for the fact that mental health is being affected quite seriously in people who are alone, without friends , or family..now for almost 9 months ....telling those people that 223,000 people have died in the USA ( god rest their souls)..is not going to improve their mental well-being..

I'm not arguing about it..I'm just saying that some people are affected very badly in other ways by this virus, and that has to be respected too
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I am not going to criticize a leader or comment about a leader of another country as I have no direct knowledge of those issues.

We live in the real world. Fuzzyanimal is in a protected environment. We should all be so fortunate. What I have said, about the deaths, is widely known. People can no longer live in a bubble or afford to be self absorbed.
 
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hollydolly said:
How ridiculous does it get... supermarkets in Wales have blocked the purchasing of duvets, and kettles, and microwave ovens, and clothing..in the same supermarket where you can buy a can of beans... and a carton of milk... Madness!!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rakeford-snaps-criticism-firebreak-rules.html
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They did that here, you could buy groceries at the Walmart superstore, but nothing else. It is done to get people in and out of the stores quicker. We had a “mini” lockdown at one time and we may go back to that, idk.
 
hollydolly said:
How ridiculous does it get... supermarkets in Wales have blocked the purchasing of duvets, and kettles, and microwave ovens, and clothing..in the same supermarket where you can buy a can of beans... and a carton of milk... Madness!!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...rakeford-snaps-criticism-firebreak-rules.html

WOW! I read the article, that's extreme. Blankets are essential as cold weather is approaching yet they can't purchase any. No electric items or electronics, not even phone chargers. 🤬
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Scotland is introducing a 5 tier level of restrictions from 0 - very few restrictions to 4 - can't do anything. These are being applied to local authority areas, not to the larger health districts. This means that if used properly, restrictions will be tailored to the area. This area has a pretty low rate of infection - 22 per 100k over 7 days and the neighbouring area has had 16 per 100k.

The chief ? medical officer has been saying that we won't have a normal Christmas and we should have a 'digital' one.
You can imagine that the newspapers have had a field day at his expense.
 
A furious man has been filmed removing coverings on non-essential items in a Welsh supermarket.

Gwilym Owen, who was not wearing a mask, is seen removing covers in a shop which are no longer allowed to sell under the new Welsh lockdown restrictions.

The man is heard to shout 'since when has clothes been exempt?


'Last night I heard supermarkets have put covers over ''non essential'' things such as clothes.

'We're heading into winter now and who would have thought clothes for children weren't essential?

'I'm sure there are people out there who can barely afford heating in their houses and now they want to stop people buying clothes in supermarkets.

'I don't expect everyone to do what I've done here but I do expect everyone to know that denying the public clothing is nothing but immoral and inhuman.

'So no I'm not ashamed of what I've done. The government is corrupt, but what's more damaging to society is the fact that people are not standing up against this machine.

'I ask everyone can we all wake up and have a backbone and not let this tyranny run for any longer?

'Things will only get worse If we do not make any effort in stopping this madness. I'm not prepared to live in a society where they can take basic human needs away like being able to buy new clothes, especially for children.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ells-rip-f-ers-tears-plastic-items-Wales.html
 
Furryanimal said:
I am Welsh...but i wish i wasn’t!
It has just been announced that from Friday evening until November 9th Wales will be in a complete lockdown.We have all been told to stay at home and are only allowed out to shop and access medical services.Most businesses will be closed again.Not that some have ever reopened.I don’t think anyone believes this will just be for two weeks.
Not only that,our bully of a leader has made it clear that he will not allow life to return to normal until there is a vaccine.There is little chance of that and you won’t get me having one until i’m sure it is safe.
So there we have it.If you live in Wales you are condemned to just exist forevermore.
I don’t want to live here anymore.Time to sell up and move to England.But who the hell would be mad enough to buy a house here?
I need to live....but it is clear Community rugby will never return here,concert venues will not reopen and i see little chance of being allowed to return to watching cricket come April.Everything i live for gone.
The only thing that has to be answered is how soon i end up in the Psychiatric ward.I am heading there at a rate of knots.
We cannot be expected to live like this.
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I have to wonder about that "only allowed out to shop" part of it. We've had that restriction in some of our lockdown communities also. How would this ever be implemented? If people are not allowed out of the house, EXCEPT if they are shopping, would they be arrested and questioned as to where they are going, and for what purpose? Wouldn't everybody just say they are shopping or going to the doctor, even if they aren't?

I can see this making sense if it is a suggestion, not a law. Governments can ask people, in the name of good sense and common decency, to only leave the house for medical services or shopping. Ask, not "enforce."

And if the people in Wales are just being asked, is that really such a horrendous outrage? Having a temporary stoppage of rugby games and concerts is dismal, but as Aneeda points out, death is a lot worse. And this will pass. It isn't forever.
 
RadishRose said:
It's only for 17 days!
Get your food and get out.
Browsing other merchandise keeps people inside together longer; not good.
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That's what I was thinking. People also had several days warning before the closures so if they needed warmer clothing, blankets, appliances or other items they had time to do so.

Internet ordering can cover emergency needs.
 
StarSong said:
That's what I was thinking. People also had several days warning before the closures so if they needed warmer clothing, blankets, appliances or other items they had time to do so.

Internet ordering can cover emergency needs.
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That's exactly what will be the final nail in the coffin for Wales.. shops other than supermarkets which barely survived the previous months of lockdown, will not survive further lockdowns
 
Sunny said:
I have to wonder about that "only allowed out to shop" part of it. We've had that restriction in some of our lockdown communities also. How would this ever be implemented? If people are not allowed out of the house, EXCEPT if they are shopping, would they be arrested and questioned as to where they are going, and for what purpose? Wouldn't everybody just say they are shopping or going to the doctor, even if they aren't?

I can see this making sense if it is a suggestion, not a law. Governments can ask people, in the name of good sense and common decency, to only leave the house for medical services or shopping. Ask, not "enforce."
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I know we're discussing Wales here... but just as an aside.. Governments certainly can and do and have enforced the rules of where you're permitted to go. I know first hand in Spain for example during the lockdown, to go anywhere further than your immediate local area, you have to have written permission.. proof of a doctors appointment etc.. and drivers are stopped very regularly for proof, without which you will be fined heavily
 
hollydolly said:
That's exactly what will be the final nail in the coffin for Wales.. shops other than supermarkets which barely survived the previous months of lockdown, will not survive further lockdowns
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We have had lots of store closings as well. Bed bath and beyond, a major countrywide store, has closed two stores in our areas. Some smaller stores have closed, and restaurants as well. But, this happens every year as tax time approaches. Hard to tell what the real reasons behind the closures are.
 
hollydolly said:
I know we're discussing Wales here... but just as an aside.. Governments certainly can and do and have enforced the rules of where you're permitted to go. I know first hand in Spain for example during the lockdown, to go anywhere further than your immediate local area, you have to have written permission.. proof of a doctors appointment etc.. and drivers are stopped very regularly for proof, without which you will be fined heavily
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They did the same thing in Italy. Wuhan was even more extreme.
 
Aneeda72 said:
We have had lots of store closings as well. Bed bath and beyond, a major countrywide store, has closed two stores in our areas. Some smaller stores have closed, and restaurants as well. But, this happens every year as tax time approaches. Hard to tell what the real reasons behind the closures are.
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we have lost Major stores which have been part of of British life for decades.. all this year.. Department stores to hundred of smaller stores... and hundreds of pubs all directly caused from the lockdown due to Covid-19..that is fact.!

This country will never be the same... this is the whole UK I'm talking about now, including Wales..
 
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hollydolly said:
we have lost Major stores which have been part of of British life for decades.. all this years.. Department stores to hundred of smaller stores... and hundreds of pubs all directly caused from thelockdown due to Covid-19..that is fact.!

This country will never be the same... this is the whole UK I'm talking about now, including Wales..
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Same here. Probably true in most of the world.
 
StarSong said:
They did the same thing in Italy. Wuhan was even more extreme.
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my daughter is self employed and needs to travel from her home all around Andalucia as part of her job on a daily basis .She had to spend hours in a week to get printed permissions to be in various parts of her area.. and if the police were to find her in a different area to her permission.. say veered off to the supermarket in a different town on the way home..she would have faced stiff penalties.
Anyone who didn't work outside the home was not permitted to leave their home for exercise until after 6pm and then only permitted to walk one kilometre

Very very stressful, people lived in fear of the police..
 


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