Looks like national lockdown coming in England

Aneeda72 said:
I see your point.

But sooner or later all the people who won’t wear masks will be gone because they will be dead. Then we will see how effective masking is. There are a couple places in the world that seem to have it controlled. They had strict lockdowns and then masked up. Time will tell.
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Well, since the mortality rate is something like 1% , no all the non mask wearers won't be dead or anywhere close to it. But they might kill a few mask wearers .
 

oldman said:
Just curious. What actions would you take if you were the Prime Minister? I think making each person wear a mask before entering a public building would be a start. As for schools, it would depend on the state’s infection rate. I would suspend all sports, whether it be high school or professional. What good does it do to only wear a mask when on the sidelines in football?
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Assuming you are referring to the UK PM and not the Australian one, I wouldn't make promises I could not keep. He has no way of knowing what the situation is be in 4 weeks times so why limit the lockdown to such a short time. I would seek the co-operation of other leaders to agree to a cohesive plan that would restrict unnecessary movement and beef up the COVID testing and contact tracing. Unless you know where the hot spots and clusters are you cannot get anything under control. Last but not least, I would anticipate vaccines coming on line and make sure the health authorities have all they need to get started ASAP.
 
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StarSong said:
Not sure what you're asking. When I was a kid in school, if unidentified students damaged something, stole test papers, wrote inappropriate words on the blackboard, etc., the entire class was punished. It was meant to be social pressure - since the innocents got the same punishment as the guilty, they'd resent the guilty parties (and classmates usually had a very good idea of who was guilty).

Similar thing going on with refusals to follow safetly guidelines.

People who wear masks improperly or not at all, who won't socially distance, who plan and attend social gatherings, and who engage in other behavior deemed risky right now, are forcing the rest of us to be "punished" with new closures or delayed reopenings.
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I thought perhaps there was a situation that may have happened that was embedded in your mind. I know I reflect back when I read a specific post that reminds me of an event that relates to the post.
 

Warrigal said:
Assuming you are referring to the UK PM and not the Australian one, I wouldn't make promises I could not keep. He has no way of knowing what the situation is be in 4 weeks times so why limit the lockdown to such a short time. I would seek the co-operation of other leaders to agree to a cohesive plan that would restrict unnecessary movement and beef up the COVID testing and contact tracing. Unless you know where the hot spots and clusters are you cannot get anything under control. Last but not least, I would anticipate vaccines coming on line and make sure the health authorities have all they need to get started ASAP.
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Will it be a vaccine for the Chinese, European, or Spanish virus? I am not counting on vaccines.
 
garyt1957 said:
Well, since the mortality rate is something like 1% , no all the non mask wearers won't be dead or anywhere close to it. But they might kill a few mask wearers .
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Well, I don’t know or care about the “mortality rate”. I think the mortality rate has nothing to do with it. Give the rate of people who die who have worn masks vs the people who die that have not worn a mask. That is a rate I would be interested in.
 
Chet said:
Lockdown and then what? The magic fairy waves her wand and it's over.
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I guess it starts over there this week. My governor is threatening my state with another lock down. There's going to be a war soon if they don't stop stepping on the toes of our economy.
 
Lewkat said:
I guess it starts over there this week. My governor is threatening my state with another lock down. There's going to be a war soon if they don't stop stepping on the toes of our economy.
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What do you mean a war?

You mean, similar to the looters, where people fight each other with guns, set fire to buildings, destroy cities, and people in the name of the economy. 😂😂😂. Those would be incredible stupid people. Because the economy of that city, with its burnt out destroyed buildings and dead populace would then have no economy.

But, as we all know, the USofA, is filled with incredible stupid people.
 
garyt1957 said:
Well, since the mortality rate is something like 1% , no all the non mask wearers won't be dead or anywhere close to it. But they might kill a few mask wearers .
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What's the date on the 1% rate? It's ever shifting, thankfully down these days. NPR reported a couple of weeks ago on several studies showing a sharp drop in mortality rates. As doctors and scientists learn more, the mortality rate numbers should continue to drop.
 
AnnieA said:
What's the date on the 1% rate? It's ever shifting, thankfully down these days. NPR reported a couple of weeks ago on several studies showing a sharp drop in mortality rates. As doctors and scientists learn more, the mortality rate numbers should continue to drop.
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The mortality rates, and death count, is behind. But the rate is based on the entire population of the USA. The rate just based on NY would be much higher. But what does it matter? Over 230,000 have now died. You either mourn for the deaths or you don’t.
 
Aneeda72 said:
The mortality rates, and death count, is behind. But the rate is based on the entire population of the USA. The rate just based on NY would be much higher. But what does it matter? Over 230,000 have now died. You either mourn for the death or you don’t.
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I don't understand your "But what does it matter" question in context of the other parts of your post? What I'm getting out of what you typed is that you're saying it doesn't matter that mortality rates are falling but I think I must be misreading something...
 
AnnieA said:
I don't understand your "But what does it matter" question in context of the other parts of your post? What I'm getting out of what you typed is that you're saying it doesn't matter that mortality rates are falling but I think I must be misreading something...
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No that’s what I mean. The virus is going crazy and the rate is wrong IMO. When it is all over then we will know what the actual rate was.
 
Lewkat said:
I guess it starts over there this week. My governor is threatening my state with another lock down. There's going to be a war soon if they don't stop steppintg on the toes of our economy.
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There's going to be a war here anyway so it's best to start preparing for it.

But I feel so sad for everyone in the UK who have been through so much for longer than we have in the US and all for nothing and right before the holidays too. :cry:
 
chic said:
There's going to be a war here anyway so it's best to start preparing for it.

But I feel so sad for everyone in the UK who have been through so much for longer than we have in the US and all for nothing and right before the holidays too. :cry:
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There will not be a war, unrest, but a war no.
 
Aneeda72 said:
No that’s what I mean. The virus is going crazy and the rate is wrong IMO. When it is all over then we will know what the actual rate was.
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It takes years in hindsight to determine actual rates. However, the studies proving the mortality rate is decreasing sharply linked in this NPR report aren't to be discounted. Just one little thing like learning about Covid's uniquely deadly silent hypoxia discussed in another thread on the forum is a huge win in the battle to save lives.
 
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AnnieA said:
It takes years in hindsight to determine actual rates. However, the studies proving the mortality rate is decreasing sharply linked in this NPR report aren't to be discounted. Just one little thing like learning about Covid's uniquely deadly silent hypoxia discussed in another thread on the forum is a huge win in the battle lives.
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Well, if it takes too many years I certainly won’t be around and will care even less then. 🤣
 
I did read one piece a few weeks ago opining that this was thought to be more of a circulatory disease as opposed to a respiratory one and that red blood cells were being decimated by it. This would definitely cause hypoxia.
 
Lewkat said:
I did read one piece a few weeks ago opining that this was thought to be more of a circulatory disease as opposed to a respiratory one and that red blood cells were being decimated by it. This would definitely cause hypoxia.
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Well I have red blood cell cancer so if I get it, hmm, actually if I get it, I’m dead.
 
No idea but I submit to the 'flu shot each year now that I am in my late 70s. I would do the same if a COVID vaccine becomes available.

I've always been vaccinated against illnesses that could be deadly. The earliest that I can remember was for tuberculosis because my maternal grandfather became infectious late in life. Apparently he had had TB as a young man, recovered without treatment but the pathogen never left his body. It remained in the scars in his lungs only to breakout when, in old age, his immune system weakened.

Throughout the years I've had shots for polio, diptheria, tenanus, rubella, polio, hepatitis and even yellow fever. Most recently I've asked for and received a shot for shingles and after the birth of my first great grandchild I was vaccinated against whooping cough (pertussis) to keep him safe.

I won't shrink from a COVID vaccine, even an imperfect one, when something becomes available.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Well, I don’t know or care about the “mortality rate”. I think the mortality rate has nothing to do with it. Give the rate of people who die who have worn masks vs the people who die that have not worn a mask. That is a rate I would be interested in.
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Yes people die that are wearing a mask, BUT they caught it from someone not wearing a mask. Very very low rate of transmission of virus if both wearing a mask. THAT is reason for everybody wearing a mask.
 
More lockdown and restrictions coming in Europe as the virus increases its hold on those populations.
 
The news is saying that several European nations are increasing their restrictions on public gatherings, and shutting down bars and restaurants, etc. I expect we will see a lot of the same, here in the US, as Winter and the Holidays bring more people together.
 

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