Emotional/Psychological Abuse

Ronni

The motormouth ;)
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Nashville TN
Because I’ve spoken here a few times about being an abuse survivor, and also because I tend to get irritated when people minimize both the fact, and effects of emotional abuse on victims, I thought I’d start a thread about it to help educate those who aren’t informed.

Victims of Emotional Abuse
“While staying in an abusive relationship the victim uses coping strategies. These coping strategies tend to be self-protective in nature; they include denial, minimization, addictions, arguing, defensiveness, rationalization, compliance, detachment, and dissociation.


Because abusive behavior tends to be cyclical and inconsistent, the victim learns to wait it out over time. Victims learn to block out abusive events, which is much easier to do with emotional abuse because it is so elusive. The victim may not even realize abuse is happening.

Just like drug addiction or alcoholism is progressive disease, abuse is a progressive disease as well. This is not to say that emotional abuse will progress to physical abuse, but that the occurrences of abuse will increase, and the existence of chronic disrespect and even cruelty will become commonplace in the relationship. The relationship will end up being a system, where the abuser does whatever the hell he or she wants and the victims become programmed to cope with it in some way. Victims may comply, numb out, take anti-depressants, live in a detached state of being, pretend that everythings fine, etc. Sometimes in family systems you hear of the scapegoat, the golden child, the family mascot, etc. These are examples of how children can act out their unspoken hurts within their dysfunctional family system.

Victims are notorious for being conditioned to walk on eggshells in the relationship in order to try to prevent or minimize any future occurrences of upsetting the abuser; this rarely works, and when it does, its only temporary. But there is great damage caused to the person who does the walking on eggshells. Victims will slowly lose their sense of self because they are being continually conditioned to only focus outside of themselves. They have learned to be hyper-vigilant to the feelings and reactions of others and have stopped focusing on their own internal feelings. Their feelings and thoughts are invalidated so often that victims stop listening to their own inner voices. This causes victims to become personal shells of who they really are.


Victims also tend to be compassionate themselves and will offer empathy and forgiveness to their abusers, and will put the matter in the past each time an abusive event occurs. Usually, it is the victims strengths and assets that keep him or her in the relationship; traits such as, forgiveness, empathy, compassion, long-suffering, self-control, stick-to-it-iveness, loyalty, etc. While these are all awesome character traits, an abuser will use them to his or her advantage.”
 

Who are you aiming this thread at? Those who have been victims of abuse or those who try to minimise it?
As a victim myself, I would add something else. Victims have a lot of anger inside them.....anger at the treatment they have received.....anger at the way they had no choice but to put up with it...anger at the justice system which does not take into account the years of mis-treatment a woman has put up with before she finally snaps and commits murder.
That anger needs an outlet.....I'm just waiting for some low life to give me an opportunity to let loose all my pent-up fury!
 
Who are you aiming this thread at? Those who have been victims of abuse or those who try to minimise it?
As a victim myself, I would add something else. Victims have a lot of anger inside them.....anger at the treatment they have received.....anger at the way they had no choice but to put up with it...anger at the justice system which does not take into account the years of mis-treatment a woman has put up with before she finally snaps and commits murder.
That anger needs an outlet.....I'm just waiting for some low life to give me an opportunity to let loose all my pent-up fury!
@Rosemarie its right there in my first paragraph....”I tend to get irritated when people minimize both the fact, and effects of emotional abuse on victims, I thought I’d start a thread about it to help educate those who aren’t informed.”

Yeah, I really get the anger. It was something I had to work through in the early stages of my recovery. And I STILL get angry, but it’s not directed towards my a user any more. I’ve become indifferent to him....and that’s relatively easy to do these days because there’s been no contact between us, and between the kids and him, for years.

These says my anger is directed at those who minimize the fact of abuse, at a society at large who still blames the woman “for putting up with it.”

When you’ve been groomed over time, conditioned, bit by tiny bit, to accept the treatment through subtle, covert and heinous means and machinations, “putting up with it” isn’t even on a victim’s radar. It just IS. It’s a victim’s normal.
 

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Emotional/psychological abuse can be as bad or worse than physical abuse.

As kids we never knew what mood my father was gonna be in. Many dinners were tense and we weren't allowed to talk at all. ☹️ Then sometimes he'd be jovial but make comments out of the side of his mouth. I loved the pleasantry when we had visitors.

Outsiders usually saw the 'nice guy' in a shirt & tie at church.🙄
 
Emotional/psychological abuse can be as bad or worse than physical abuse.

As kids we never knew what mood my father was gonna be in. Many dinners were tense and we weren't allowed to talk at all. ☹️ Then sometimes he'd be jovial but make comments out of the side of his mouth. I loved the pleasantry when we had visitors.

Outsiders usually saw the 'nice guy' in a shirt & tie at church.🙄
Absolutely. My ex was charming, even charismatic, which is how he reeled me in. My female friends at the time all swooned over him and told me how lucky I was to be loved by such a wonderful and caring man who obviously cherished me. I was deeply in love.

There were a couple red flags, which because of my naïveté and limited romantic experience, I didn’t recognize as such believing I’d provoked it...the angry outburst, snide comment, self-absorption, emotional distance.

It wasn’t till after the birth of our first child that the abuse really ramped up. But hindsight, aided by a wealth of education and therapy and group counseling/support, I realize that I’d been being groomed and conditioned since before we were married, to accept his behavior as normal and my reactions as over-reaction, hyper sensitivity or just outright delusion.
 
Absolutely. My ex was charming, even charismatic, which is how he reeled me in. My female friends at the time all swooned over him and told me how lucky I was to be loved by such a wonderful and caring man who obviously cherished me. I was deeply in love.
Dad had some good qualities (a few) but he was a handsome charming bully.

Superb physical shape. Think of Muhammad Ali in his prime.
 
I’m sorry when I learn of people who had to tolerate being emotionally, physically, sexually or any type of abuse. I lived the opposite life. My parents seldom raised their voices and us kids were certainly never abused in any way, shape or form. My dad made his career in the Army, but he always tried reasoning before handing out any discipline, which mostly consisted of being grounded or losing a privilege.

There was a time or two that I really messed up and he went from 0-80 in about 2.2 seconds
 
I was in a womens refuge for a while after I finally left my husband. In my initial interview, I was asked,'Why did you marry him?' I replied 'To get away from my parents'. The woman responded 'I wish I had a pound for every time I've heard that'. That surprised me but it may indicate that many of the victims have actually been abused since childhood and have almost become accustomed to it.
Looking back, I think my husband was testing the boundaries, to see what he could get away with. If only I had realised that and declared, 'I'm not putting up with this!'
I didn't realise just how big a problem domestic abuse is until I was in the refuge. It was always full.
Why are so many men abusive towards their partners?
 
"I was asked,'Why did you marry him?' I replied 'To get away from my parents'. The woman responded 'I wish I had a pound for every time I've heard that'. That surprised me but it may indicate that many of the victims have actually been abused since childhood and have almost become accustomed to it." @Rosemarie

Astute. You deserved better. You're a strong woman.
 
Emotional/psychological abuse can be as bad or worse than physical abuse.

As kids we never knew what mood my father was gonna be in. Many dinners were tense and we weren't allowed to talk at all. ☹️ Then sometimes he'd be jovial but make comments out of the side of his mouth. I loved the pleasantry when we had visitors.

Outsiders usually saw the 'nice guy' in a shirt & tie at church.🙄
I'm so sorry applecruncher. You were a child, this makes it so hard.
 
My mother was rarely physically abusive. She was verbally, emotionally and psychologically abusive when her rages started. She also isolated me as a child and treated me like a possession. Something I didn't even realize until well into adulthood. Isolating me from my stepfather's family was one of the worst things she did. She even isolated my stepfather from his family and friends. This is something abusers do I have learned.

I've taken the ACE score online, mine is 7. Some have worse of coarse. I think the thing that got me was my resiliency score. I've read it several times and the only one I can claim is the "there were rules in the house and you were expected to follow them." I can't find one other that is true for me. I know these are just things online but there could be some truth to them.

I also realize now that I just shut down when she raged at me. And internalized it all. I was over 30 when I told anyone, a co-worker, about my mother's behavior.
 
My mother was rarely physically abusive. She was verbally, emotionally and psychologically abusive when her rages started. She also isolated me as a child and treated me like a possession. Something I didn't even realize until well into adulthood. Isolating me from my stepfather's family was one of the worst things she did. She even isolated my stepfather from his family and friends. This is something abusers do I have learned.

I've taken the ACE score online, mine is 7. Some have worse of coarse. I think the thing that got me was my resiliency score. I've read it several times and the only one I can claim is the "there were rules in the house and you were expected to follow them." I can't find one other that is true for me. I know these are just things online but there could be some truth to them.

I also realize now that I just shut down when she raged at me. And internalized it all. I was over 30 when I told anyone, a co-worker, about my mother's behavior.
I've just taken the ACE test....

Your ACE score is 10

 
Also folks, in the 1950s women (especially minority women) had few opportunities to make and keep their own money. If they had a husband he usually controlled everything.

Even educated women often only got housecleaning jobs IF their husbands allowed them to work. Dad used to give Mom the 3rd degree if she wore lipstick to work or to the store. 🙄
 
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A worthwhile thread for people like me that were never exposed to or saw that as the life some have. Never to old to learn!

I have questions about this from your post Ronni

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"But hindsight, aided by a wealth of education and therapy and group counseling/support, I realize that I’d been being groomed and conditioned since before we were married, to accept his behavior as normal and my reactions as over-reaction, hyper sensitivity or just outright delusion."

When did you realize you were being groomed and conditioned?
What resources did you look for to get away?
Were there resources where you lived?
What made you realize the life you were leading wasn't right?
What do you think your reaction would be if your ex moved into your neighborhood?
 
hollydolly, I'm so sorry. :(
thanks Remy.🤗.. a little of my story has been told on this forum over the years. I've never gone into detail in any great length, and I won't today... but for the snippets I have told, people get to know enough of the type of life I've had, not just my childhood either... I have no intention of telling my tale here, it would take reams... and perhaps to many unbelievable...

..suffice to say I felt when I took the ACE test despite getting the highest score ( and of course this is one test you do NOT want the highest score).. that , there should have been many more questions.. because I probably could have answered in the affirmative to them all..,

I absolutely lived the life and more written so eloquently and factually by @Ronni .. and have the exact same emotions, and reactions she wrote that victims feel... in fact that's the first time I've seen that written down in the way a victim feels or felt, above and beyond the feeling of anger or abandonment and fear, which is what is usually written about us as victims and survivors.

I'm so sorry you were a victim too @Remy... ...😠😔
 
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Before I was online, I never realized how many "Mommie Dearest" experiences existed in reality. I mean, our mothers were our nurturers, our primary protectors. They'd give their lives for us. That was certainly my reality.

But reading multiple discussion groups and Usenet, I became disillusioned.

How can someone go thru the burden of carrying someone for nine months, clean them, feed them, wipe their dirty asses without loving them?

But that's what I learned in story-after-story.
 
Because I’ve spoken here a few times about being an abuse survivor, and also because I tend to get irritated when people minimize both the fact, and effects of emotional abuse on victims, I thought I’d start a thread about it to help educate those who aren’t informed.

Victims of Emotional Abuse
“While staying in an abusive relationship the victim uses coping strategies. These coping strategies tend to be self-protective in nature; they include denial, minimization, addictions, arguing, defensiveness, rationalization, compliance, detachment, and dissociation.


Because abusive behavior tends to be cyclical and inconsistent, the victim learns to wait it out over time. Victims learn to block out abusive events, which is much easier to do with emotional abuse because it is so elusive. The victim may not even realize abuse is happening.

Just like drug addiction or alcoholism is progressive disease, abuse is a progressive disease as well. This is not to say that emotional abuse will progress to physical abuse, but that the occurrences of abuse will increase, and the existence of chronic disrespect and even cruelty will become commonplace in the relationship. The relationship will end up being a system, where the abuser does whatever the hell he or she wants and the victims become programmed to cope with it in some way. Victims may comply, numb out, take anti-depressants, live in a detached state of being, pretend that everythings fine, etc. Sometimes in family systems you hear of the scapegoat, the golden child, the family mascot, etc. These are examples of how children can act out their unspoken hurts within their dysfunctional family system.

Victims are notorious for being conditioned to walk on eggshells in the relationship in order to try to prevent or minimize any future occurrences of upsetting the abuser; this rarely works, and when it does, its only temporary. But there is great damage caused to the person who does the walking on eggshells. Victims will slowly lose their sense of self because they are being continually conditioned to only focus outside of themselves. They have learned to be hyper-vigilant to the feelings and reactions of others and have stopped focusing on their own internal feelings. Their feelings and thoughts are invalidated so often that victims stop listening to their own inner voices. This causes victims to become personal shells of who they really are.


Victims also tend to be compassionate themselves and will offer empathy and forgiveness to their abusers, and will put the matter in the past each time an abusive event occurs. Usually, it is the victims strengths and assets that keep him or her in the relationship; traits such as, forgiveness, empathy, compassion, long-suffering, self-control, stick-to-it-iveness, loyalty, etc. While these are all awesome character traits, an abuser will use them to his or her advantage.”
It sucks when you live with it every day for 50 some years. Survival mode every day of your life is stressful.
 
I know this doesn’t help one single bit...but...my heart surely goes out to you guys. I have been fortunate both in childhood and adult life to have never been subjected to something like this but I sure am saying prayers for those of you who have been, or maybe still are. Thank you for shining a light on the subject and opening my eyes. And I also want to say how proud I am of you who have been through this and got out! Wow, how strong you must be. Hope you are as proud of yourselves as I am ❤️
 
"I was asked,'Why did you marry him?' I replied 'To get away from my parents'. The woman responded 'I wish I had a pound for every time I've heard that'. That surprised me but it may indicate that many of the victims have actually been abused since childhood and have almost become accustomed to it." @Rosemarie

Astute. You deserved better. You're a strong woman.
Thank you. I was so lacking in self-esteem that I was flattered that anyone wanted to marry me!
 
I am a survivor of some forms of abuse and just want to say we don't all fit into a general pattern of reactions to it. I really dislike generalizations because everyone, myself very much included, is an individual and cope in many different ways--some ways are positive, too! There are many, many good things we do, too.

I don't consider myself a victim. I have considered myself a good person who gave lots of love and understanding to some people who did not know how to be any other way. I know I helped them and never considered that they didn't deserve love or help, too. I did put an end to my relationships in order to improve my own life and that I did for a good deal of years.
 
I didn't realize I was in an emotional abusive relationship with my husband until I left. I just knew I had to leave. It is hard to explain. Everyone was shocked when I left him and moved out. Some of my close friends online (had no friends in person) said afterwards they knew I was not happy. I felt trapped for such a long time. I didn't consider it abuse, but after reading some things on it, I think it was. His friends and family feel sorry for him and think I was mean to him by leaving. Abuse takes many forms.
 
To me emotional abuse is nothing but a cold war. Most, not all are smart enough not to engage physically although sometimes I wish they would because I could end their behavior quickly and decisively. But that's what makes it more dangerous or damaging especially if the abuser is constantly testing their limits. Best not to engage, debate or negotiate.

But that means you have to let them go off on yet another tirade. Many say try to avoid lawyers when it comes to family or marriage but in effect I guess that's turning a cold war hot.

Right now dealing with a lifetime adult alkie plus and estate in which the parent left no will. Just having a different strategy or not showing enthusiam but still ok with their ideas sets them off into lecture & tirade mode. Even 'calm' conversations are contentious because they're testing to see what I'm going to do. They complained the parent didn't leave enough money before the funeral and was ticked I would not fund hgtv renovations for house sale among other things. In our case which actually would be cleaner a legal resolution is the only thing that will close the estate and cut ties. But that's a hot war.
 


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