What the Covid 19 vaccine side effects feels like

Aneeda72 said:
Check with the health department, you are wrong.
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You are confusing a "Suggestion" with a "Requirement."
"The Department of Health Services, Public Health Programs and Services, offers tuberculosis testing and treatment to all persons residing in Los Angeles County at a low cost or for free. Public health officials ask that food establishment owners or operators have their employees tested for TB since the disease is curable with proper treatment."

If it was required, it would not say "Public Health officials ask." It would say "It is required." Big difference.

Several years ago, my girlfriend's 11 year old son wanted to move here. They are from China.
When he started 7th grade, school administrators told her a TB test was required. He didn't want it. I checked & found that it was not a requirement. When the school people again insisted it was, I west to Olive View Medical Center & spoke to an RN who told me it was not a requirement & she printed the section of the law & gave it to me. When my girlfriend showed it to the school principal, he again said it was required. But after she asked if they were willing to go to court over it, he quickly changed his mind & her son was admitted.

If you let people walk all over you, you can't complain about shoe prints on your clothes.
 

Shalimar said:
Interesting fact, well known by members of mental health professions, and all good debaters, lol: those who resort to calling others who disagree with them names, ie “a fool,” and replace cogent argument with snark and misdirection, are almost always more interested in spewing

anger and ridicule than anything else. As for suggesting that others should get help if they are affected by your comments, my, the disconnect is stunning. It is you who sneer at anyone who does not follow your belief system, no matter how politely they make their case. Would you like a reference to a good therapist? 😂
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Well, what is your hourly rate?

Why is it OK (in your view) to call me "selfish" if I don't want a drug, medical test or vaccine, but it's not OK for me to respond with an equal insult?
Who is the one who sneers at anyone who does not follow YOUR belief system?
And, if you think calling me selfish is "Politely making their case," you lack command of the English language. There are internet courses that can help you with that. And they're free.
 
win231 said:
Well, what is your hourly rate?

Why is it OK (in your view) to call me "selfish" if I don't want a drug, medical test or vaccine, but it's not OK for me to respond with an equal insult?
Who is the one who sneers at anyone who does not follow YOUR belief system?
And, if you think calling me selfish is "Politely making their case," you lack command of the English language. There are internet courses that can help you with that. And they're free.
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I didn’t call you selfish, you called yourself selfish and I agreed with you.
 
win231 said:
You are confusing a "Suggestion" with a "Requirement."
"The Department of Health Services, Public Health Programs and Services, offers tuberculosis testing and treatment to all persons residing in Los Angeles County at a low cost or for free. Public health officials ask that food establishment owners or operators have their employees tested for TB since the disease is curable with proper treatment."

If it was required, it would not say "Public Health officials ask." It would say "It is required." Big difference.

Several years ago, my girlfriend's 11 year old son wanted to move here. They are from China.
When he started 7th grade, school administrators told her a TB test was required. He didn't want it. I checked & found that it was not a requirement. When the school people again insisted it was, I west to Olive View Medical Center & spoke to an RN who told me it was not a requirement & she printed the section of the law & gave it to me. When my girlfriend showed it to the school principal, he again said it was required. But after she asked if they were willing to go to court over it, he quickly changed his mind & her son was admitted.

If you let people walk all over you, you can't complain about shoe prints on your clothes.
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Well if people are going to walk all over me the least they could do is take off their shoes, then it becomes a back massage, back massages are very nice. 😂. You are confused, it’s NOT ABOUT YOU, it’s about everyone else.
 
win231 said:
You are confusing a "Suggestion" with a "Requirement."
"The Department of Health Services, Public Health Programs and Services, offers tuberculosis testing and treatment to all persons residing in Los Angeles County at a low cost or for free. Public health officials ask that food establishment owners or operators have their employees tested for TB since the disease is curable with proper treatment."

If it was required, it would not say "Public Health officials ask." It would say "It is required." Big difference.

Several years ago, my girlfriend's 11 year old son wanted to move here. They are from China.
When he started 7th grade, school administrators told her a TB test was required. He didn't want it. I checked & found that it was not a requirement. When the school people again insisted it was, I west to Olive View Medical Center & spoke to an RN who told me it was not a requirement & she printed the section of the law & gave it to me. When my girlfriend showed it to the school principal, he again said it was required. But after she asked if they were willing to go to court over it, he quickly changed his mind & her son was admitted.

If you let people walk all over you, you can't complain about shoe prints on your clothes.
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This is really coming to light in the current situation ..........I can not count how many confuse a supposedly Temp mandate as Law. It is not.
Just like the difference between suggestions and required. Often those like in your example in post have never been questioned or asked to defend their belief that suggestions or recommendations = required.......

I also think the notion that you must comply for civic duty etc is a guilt trip.

Show me the government mandate to get others to stop drugs/ alcohol / smoking and or obesity.
Nope we barely have those gross PSAs with the consequences of smoking etc.
It is estimated those items take up a huge amount of healthcare but we give that a pass (PC Culture)............ every addiction is no longer a personal choice but a disease that cannot be helped.

But some seem to expect everyone, regardless of their own decision, to take a vaccine rushed through production and approval ............that may not even be effective.
Government in many cases even passed on the enforcement (because it is not a law ) ....................to private businesses .......... told they must hold their customers accountable for masks/ distancing etc. or lose their license etc. That sounds like blackmail to me.
 
win231 said:
Well, what is your hourly rate?

Why is it OK (in your view) to call me "selfish" if I don't want a drug, medical test or vaccine, but it's not OK for me to respond with an equal insult?
Who is the one who sneers at anyone who does not follow YOUR belief system?
And, if you think calling me selfish is "Politely making their case," you lack command of the English language. There are internet courses that can help you with that. And they're free.
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win231 said:
Oh my, you are funny. Lol. Now is my turn to snark, even a courteous Canuck grows weary of the tedious behaviour of one who continuously verbally degrades posters, particularly women, and always projects their
mistakes onto others, never ever wrong. I did not call you selfish, you called yourself that. There is another
term amongst my colleagues used to describe such behaviour, “high chair tyrant.” Now, I shall leave you alone to fling sand about in your sandbox as you see fit. 😁
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Jeni said:
This is really coming to light in the current situation ..........I can not count how many confuse a supposedly Temp mandate as Law. It is not.
Just like the difference between suggestions and required. Often those like in your example in post have never been questioned or asked to defend their belief that suggestions or recommendations = required.......

I also think the notion that you must comply for civic duty etc is a guilt trip.

Show me the government mandate to get others to stop drugs/ alcohol / smoking and or obesity.
Nope we barely have those gross PSAs with the consequences of smoking etc.
It is estimated those items take up a huge amount of healthcare but we give that a pass (PC Culture)............ every addiction is no longer a personal choice but a disease that cannot be helped.

But some seem to expect everyone, regardless of their own decision, to take a vaccine rushed through production and approval ............that may not even be effective.
Government in many cases even passed on the enforcement (because it is not a law ) ....................to private businesses .......... told they must hold their customers accountable for masks/ distancing etc. or lose their license etc. That sounds like blackmail to me.
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I never said it was anyones civic duty to take any vaccine. Everyone can do what they want because they WILL do what they want anyway, in the USA. It’s like any other vaccine, take it or don’t take it. But there are consequences and I think there will be more and more consequences for not taking it.

Look at Los Angeles, look at California. It is about people dying.
 
Aneeda72 said:
I never said it was anyones civic duty to take any vaccine. Everyone can do what they want because they WILL do what they want anyway, in the USA. It’s like any other vaccine, take it or don’t take it. But there are consequences and I think there will be more and more consequences for not taking it.

Look at Los Angeles, look at California. It is about people dying.
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And you are buying into the notion that the vaccine will fix that. Not everyone believes that & that doesn't make them selfish, even though it may undermine your confidence.
 
win231 said:
And you are buying into the notion that the vaccine will fix that. Not everyone believes that & that doesn't make them selfish, even though it may undermine your confidence.
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You are really hung up on the selfish thing, again I did not call you selfish, you called yourself selfish and I agreed with you. I did not say the vaccine would fix anything, you are attempting to speak for me. I am heart broken over what is happening in LA. I grew up in Southern California. I care about every life that is lost, every single one.

Personal attacks, from you or anyone against me, mean nothing to me, so you might as well stop or not. I could not care less about your, or anyones, personal attacks. My mother was a master at it, still is. You are not even close to being a runner up. 😂
 
My son is a first responder in Los Angeles California. I am terrified for him, and his family....my DIL and 4 granddaughters.

I reached out to him tonight because
the news coming out of LA is really really dire. 😖 He reassured me. I expected nothing less because it’s who he is.

I cried, but didn’t let him see that. If he can be strong and positive in the face of all he’s dealing with, then damn if I won’t be too!!

But guys, my fear for him gets overwhelming at times. It’s really effing hard. 💔
 
Jeni said:
Flu shots made my family sick every time but we are told "NO it does not happen" it must be a figment of our imagination... no it was not. read fine print on ALL vaccines there ARE risks.
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This is creating such division ... it is sad
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I can so relate to that statement ... . Only time in my life that I ever got sick with the flu was when I got the over 65 flu shot.
Knocked me out for 5 weeks. Never again
 
Ronni said:
My son is a first responder in Los Angeles California. I am terrified for him, and his family....my DIL and 4 granddaughters.

I reached out to him tonight because
the news coming out of LA is really really dire. 😖 He reassured me. I expected nothing less because it’s who he is.

I cried, but didn’t let him see that. If he can be strong and positive in the face of all he’s dealing with, then damn if I won’t be too!!

But guys, my fear for him gets overwhelming at times. It’s really effing hard. 💔
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Being an essential worker right now is scary as hell.
 
Bonnie said:
I can so relate to that statement ... . Only time in my life that I ever got sick with the flu was when I got the over 65 flu shot.
Knocked me out for 5 weeks. Never again
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A friend who's 67 was advised by his doctor to get a flu shot due to his pre-existing medical issues. A few hours after the shot, he was in the ER with serious breathing problems. He was hospitalized for 13 days & came close to dying twice. His doctor said, "No more flu shots for you."
Yeah....he could have said that before the shot.
Flu shots are usually suggested for people with "Pre-Existing Conditions" or people who are "Immune Compromised" by diabetes & other conditions. I sometimes wonder if those are exactly people who should not get a flu shot - which taxes the immune system further.
 
Ronni said:
It’s wretched. 🥺 it’s no longer just being threatened with Covid. It’s now also having to make these heart wrenching life/death decisions. 😖 I can’t even imagine! 💔
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i don't have to make those kinds of decisions thank God. it's scary when everyone around you is getting covid. we have reached critical status with our staffing because so many are out with it. if things get much worse i don't know what they'll do. i imagine parts of our department will be shut down till we have the staff. i hope your son stays safe. 🤗
 
win231 said:
A friend who's 67 was advised by his doctor to get a flu shot due to his pre-existing medical issues. A few hours after the shot, he was in the ER with serious breathing problems. He was hospitalized for 13 days & came close to dying twice. His doctor said, "No more flu shots for you."
Yeah....he could have said that before the shot.
Flu shots are usually suggested for people with "Pre-Existing Conditions" or people who are "Immune Compromised" by diabetes & other conditions. I sometimes wonder if those are exactly people who should not get a flu shot - which taxes the immune system further.
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I kind of agree with this. That's the group most likely to suffer complications. Maybe the young and healthy people could get the flu shot to protect others? Might be a better way to achieve a positive result for all?
 
Sassycakes said:
I was wondering if there was a web site saying if you are allergic to something like penicillin or some other issue that would mean you shouldn't take the vaccine.
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Our infectious disease doctor told me that only if one had gone into anaphylactic shock from an injected medication, then do not take this vaccine.
 
Our COVID new hub in my county here in NJ published what was in that vaccine. It appears that other than a piece of the spike of the virus added, it is the same as what the flu shot is made up of essentially.
 
win231 said:
A friend who's 67 was advised by his doctor to get a flu shot due to his pre-existing medical issues. A few hours after the shot, he was in the ER with serious breathing problems. He was hospitalized for 13 days & came close to dying twice. His doctor said, "No more flu shots for you."
Yeah....he could have said that before the shot.
Flu shots are usually suggested for people with "Pre-Existing Conditions" or people who are "Immune Compromised" by diabetes & other conditions. I sometimes wonder if those are exactly people who should not get a flu shot - which taxes the immune system further.
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Yes, I really feel that if you are immune compromised, putting a foreign substance (flu or Covid shot) in your body will only lead you quickly to the ER for a steroid shot to counteract the damage of the injection.

That is how my body works, and reacts. Been there, done that ...
 
Bonnie said:
Yes, I really feel that if you are immune compromised, putting a foreign substance (flu or Covid shot) in your body will only lead you quickly to the ER for a steroid shot to counteract the damage of the injection.

That is how my body works, and reacts. Been there, done that ...
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How does it work, I wonder, for people like me who take steroids daily?
 
Aneeda72 said:
How does it work, I wonder, for people like me who take steroids daily?
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Guessing here, but steroids are prescribed for inflammatory conditions that respond to nothing else or where the immune system is overworking and attacking itself. So I would say no way get the vaccine if you're on steroids. But don't listen to me. Ask your doctor if you have questions.
 

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