Aneeda72
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No that’s comparing apples to oranges, no comparison.
What the Covid 19 vaccine side effects feels like
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We all want it to stop. But there is cause for concern with this situation - for many reasons. Positive thinking is great, but sometimes desperate people grab anything.
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Win, you never disappoint, appreciate the comedic relief. For those of us involved in providing emotional support to frontline and essential workers, patients dying of Covid and their families, etc, laughter has been in short supply. Thanks for the opportunity to laugh my head off
Valid comparison. Both have 15 gms sugar, 4 gms fiber & around 70 calories.
Aneeda72
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Yes but I can eat an apple, can’t eat an orange too much acid so invalid comparison
thanks. i'll take it.
Denise1952
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Denise1952
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It's hardly been enough time to test it out for safety so I'd just rather take my chances on staying healthy in alternative ways, and if I get sick with covid, I have alternatives lined up for me to fight it. I know "of" a few that are doing that now with very good results. I don't know them personally. I'm the same way about Cancer if I get that, I'm going to try the alternatives. I'm pretty much that way with all or any of my health issues. I go for the home-remedies, alternative remedies first. So far so good.
I apologize for using the term Guinea Pig, I shouldn't have used it Marci.
I apologize for using the term Guinea Pig, I shouldn't have used it Marci.
Denise1952
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So anyone choosing against the vaccine has to be punished if they were wrong. I don't go along with that. That would pretty much apply to anyone who made a wrong choice and needed a hospital bed in your book. Yeah, no, I couldn't agree with that.
just keep in mind that some of us are getting these vaccinations so we can be there to help with your care should you get sick. we can't assist you if we're dead. you know?
Denise1952
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I doubt I'll forget that.
I agree that many want to reinforce their own decision.
I look around and see so many medications that were not rushed in R&D and deemed safe.......... then in a years time after the flashy ads for the drugs ......NOW ads have attorneys saying "call if you had this reaction or that reaction to get in on a class action lawsuit."....
I really think people need to make their own choices and respect other peoples choices......... clinical trials do not have every side effect possibility.
My choice to NOT have shot is mine.
I am sure by list of symptoms I HAD this in March before tests were available to anyone but the very sickest people. My spouse had also just returned from a trip to Milan at the time.
I feel bad for those who lost people due to many issues that were listed as covid deaths..... we had a person in my state that was shot in the head ....but listed as a covid death.
Flu shots made my family sick every time but we are told "NO it does not happen" it must be a figment of our imagination... no it was not. read fine print on ALL vaccines there ARE risks.
I personally know someone who missed their scheduled covid test appointment but still got a letter/ email saying "you tested positive" this was NOT an urban legend.
My hometown had very few cases but in what I can only guess was an effort to spread fear....... our governor said " hospital rates here have tripled " In reality.... yes ....we had 7 people hospitalized then it jumped to 21, tripled......... in a population of over 500k ........ with many major hospitals. Real numbers and details matter.......
If you live in area hard hit and if you have underlying conditions i understand people feeling anxious but I look at the big picture and more has made zero sense in this whole thing.
I find it odd and a bit immature that people think they can limit access to care for those who will not just follow "you must have shot crowd". I personally know 4 medical personnel that became permanently disabled after trying to lift/ or pick up an obese patient ...........yet no one runs around trying to limit care for the morbidly obese ........even if it would limit risk to medical personnel.
Even the Apps to try to alert people if they were "in same line at a store" is what they say.... but the reality is GPS is often NOT that specific. It may be in same store or simply the same strip mall..... when i use my GPS to drive somewhere it says i have arrived as i turn in the parking lot.....not when I am in the bakery with a person who broke the 6 ft rule. yet thousands, if not millions of taxpayer dollars were paid to set up these flawed apps. that some people somehow think it makes them safe.
I watched a couple with masks and latex gloves wiping down groceries before loading into their car...... after done dropping wipes/ gloves and masks in parking lot for store employees to have to pick up.
I guess the "hero" front line worker thing has passed....... a feel good moment so people could for a short term appreciate grocery workers.
A few cities here decided in fall of 2019 to do away with plastic grocery bags went to reusable or paying fee for paper bags now ........ all out the window ...plastic is back and the only option.... reason Covid.
Dining in at a restaurant needs to be banned ............people should not have feared a fellow patron over 6 feet away ......but the Server or Cook..... guess what those are the same folks touching takeout as well. But the narrative is to instill fear of your fellow citizens .... but we can give a pass to restaurant workers for take out?
This is creating such division ... it is sad
The risk in a restaurant is not someone preparing your food it's in eating said food without a mask indoors in proximity to other people. 6 feet isn't foolproof. How long you're exposed is also a factor. 30 minutes or more in a restaurant exposed to a covid positive while not wearing a mask is very dangerous. The air just gets recirculated.
My sister was reasonably careful but she did dine in at restaurants a few times a week. Yep, she got covid and brought it over to all of us. No proof of where she got it, of course, but I have my suspicions.
Aneeda72
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You don't have to agree, we often disagree with each other’s opinion. People are going to start being denied treatment in California. Dollars to donuts it’s the older people who will die more. My attitude applies to this one instance only, refusal to get a vaccine that may save not only the vaccinated persons life, but other people’s life as well.
I am diabetic. If I choose to eat too much sugar, that choice effects only me. If I choose not to get treatment for my diabetes, that choice effects only me. If someone chooses to personally not take the risk of a vaccine that person endangers and may cause the death of several people.
Look at it this way.
Jesus Christ CHOSE to die on the cross for people who refused to acknowledge him as the son of God the Father. Many men and woman join the military and, therefore, CHOOSE to die for their fellow country men. Recently, on the news, a young boy CHOSE to save his sister from a fire. I could go on.
It boils down to this, IMO. Someone either chooses themself or chooses mankind. If they choose themselves than they choose to move to the back of the line for treatment, IMO. California is in a bad way, I grew up in California.
Despite several drug allergies, I choose to get the vaccine for myself, my family, my fellow countrymen, and the human race. Everyone else can choose however they want. Everyone has to live or die with their choices. But when and if I am judged by the God of my choice, I will have not faltered, at least, in this matter.
I need no validation from anyone.
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Aneeda72
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My son and his girlfriend also got COVID in a restaurant IMO. He took off his mask to eat as there were not many people there. It only takes one person.
Exactly my point many simply do NOT know where they were exposed they assume.
I know several workers preparing food and behind the doors out of site of customers they may or may not wear a mask. Think of any restaurant ......if customers are able to enter they can see the masks..........but behind closed doors are you sure? Same goes for stores etc some work without until doors are open for customers....... look around i see it often masks lowered below noses until some one approaches and people adjust mask...... touching the mask over and over.
It is hard to say without working on building systems how often air may or may not be vented in any location or have change overs (some restaurants due to cooking are replacing with air from outside etc). People in any facilities management could assess a system and give a person air turnovers per hour etc otherwise many are strictly guessing or assuming.
There is a lot that has made zero sense in reopening of restaurants people were expected ( at least in my area) to wear mask entering/ leaving and walking through a restaurant but could remove mask while sitting and eating seemed ridiculous that covid was more contagious if standing? at what height does the risk increase?
it's not just the dining so close and it's not just the food prep. it's the whole shebang. you got a restaurant full of workers and the workers aren't masking and distancing in the kitchen. the cook gets covid and the next thing ya know the cashier/waitress gets exposed and she's up front with customers. then a customer gets exposed and takes it home to the family. the family goes to walmart and spreads it around to other shoppers and they take it home to family along with a cashier. it's a domino effect. every single person you are around is exposing everyone else just by being there and breathing.
our staff is spreading it around and it didn't come from the food that was touched.
we started out with patients having covid. then the nursing staff began to get it. it gradually made it's way to the food service dept. it started in the kitchen. and now it's in the office. if you're not vigilant with your safety practices and you don't want to stay home you give that virus an opportunity each time you leave the house and come into contact with others. breathing the air where a 100 shoppers are is opportunity in my book.
our staff is spreading it around and it didn't come from the food that was touched.
we started out with patients having covid. then the nursing staff began to get it. it gradually made it's way to the food service dept. it started in the kitchen. and now it's in the office. if you're not vigilant with your safety practices and you don't want to stay home you give that virus an opportunity each time you leave the house and come into contact with others. breathing the air where a 100 shoppers are is opportunity in my book.
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Denise1952
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You don't have to agree, we often disagree with each other’s opinion. People are going to start being denied treatment in California. Dollars to donuts it’s the older people who will die more. My attitude applies to this one instance only, refusal to get a vaccine that may save not only the vaccinated persons life, but other people’s life as well.
I am diabetic. If I choose to eat too much sugar, that choice effects only me. If I choose not to get treatment for my diabetes, that choice effects only me. If someone chooses to personally not take the risk of a vaccine that person endangers and may cause the death of several people.
Look at it this way.
Jesus Christ CHOSE to die on the cross for people who refused to acknowledge him as the son of God the Father. Many men and woman join the military and, therefore, CHOOSE to die for their fellow country men. Recently, on the news, a young boy CHOSE to save his sister from a fire. I could go on.
It boils down to this, IMO. Someone either chooses themself or chooses mankind. If they choose themselves than they choose to move to the back of the line for treatment, IMO. California is in a bad way, I grew up in California.
Despite several drug allergies, I choose to get the vaccine for myself, my family, my fellow countrymen, and the human race. Everyone else can choose however they want. Everyone has to live or die with their choices. But when and if I am judged by the God of my choice, I will have not faltered, at least, in this matter.
I need no validation from anyo
I read this lastnight Jeni and just want to thank you for sharing it, Denise
Denise1952
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Just want to thank you for sharing this Jeni, I really appreciated the read when I went to bed last night. Denise
Denise1952
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This isn't the same as a restaurant, but strict guidelines were enforced at our Senior Center Kitchen. But it was still closed down when Covid started. Then they reopened it to serve "food to go" and also delivered food to our apartment dwellers here. Rumor has it one of our tenants was infected and the kitchen was closed again. Now it's open so I don't know what it going on and I don't eat there, or take in food. I like to cook my own, and especially during Covid I've felt a bit safer doing that. But I also don't see how anyone can be 100% positive on where they got the virus, unless maybe a total shut-in.
Contact-tracing isn't 100%, but at least a heads-up maybe.
Aneeda72
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I don’t think it really matters where you get it. It only matters that since you have it, don’t give it to anyone else. My son and his girlfriend refuse to visit me now
since they in no way want to give me the virus. I willing to take the risk of getting from their clothing etc., they are not.Yes, there is a risk every time you go out. Not only with this virus but other diseases or even driving is a risk.
People should assess the risk and make choices................. but the current situation is bordering on others deciding they can over ride your decision by cancel culture.
If you chose to go out ...do so then........... either stay away from others or let them know that you go out more often etc so they can decide if they want to be around you.
Many have best guesses as to where they might have encountered but do not have proof. There is simply NO absolutes regardless of whatever media or narrative you follow. People who seemed healthy become very ill and those with many obvious issues recover fairly quickly. This is true with many illnesses.......
Why is there almost no FLU deaths people say because of masks and distancing .....perhaps......... but there is also a chance some are counted as Covid.
States opened themselves up to questioning when many admitted the death or case counts most likely are NOT correct. some states have actually done the right thing and go back to correct some data....... With bad data anyone who tries to study what went wrong or could have been done are working with false numbers.
My questioning of items is simply being curious...
Told Asymptomatic people are the danger ............so look around places taking temperatures looking for a possible SYMPTOM........... to find an Asymptomatic person.
The CDC lists different possible symptoms and the percentage of patients that seem to experience them..... i believe fever is only in 13% of cases. The possibility of catching a person with temp screening is very low....... we have screening for any employee coming on site no one has been detected by expensive hi-tech screening but we have had cases.
We were told hairstylists/ barbers were dangerous even though state LICENSING for this occupation requires 1500-2500 hours ( varies by state) on sanitation and health concerns and possible disease or conditions that could spread......
but a teenager with a 15 minute food safety course/ card is handling food for takeout.....makes little sense.
Lectured regularly that I am somehow responsible for the health of others but..........
Can I go take junk food out of people's basket at a store ..... can I give random strangers diet advice or take a cigarette out someones mouth ..... NO...................... that would be uncalled for and perhaps considered fat shaming.
Have you ever seen a person or loved one have a severe reaction to a vaccine ...... you know the ones mentioned in the fine print of the paper you sign to eliminate all liability to drug company..... perhaps some think those side effects / deaths were not real people but hypothetical ones............my example has a name.
Many Covid patients are given Vitamin D in treatment ..... they say the connection is not completely understood yet...... but I see no suggestions / recommendations to take a supplement (estimated over half are low in Vitamin D) .....................even if it saved 1 life or lessened the severity of case..... why not.................. isn't that the idea that every possible precaution should be taken......but crickets.......
2 studies in 2 different countries have been done suggesting that blood type matters in being able to fight off this virus ........ did you see any media to alert (even if it was a very small chance) to those whom have the specific type ............... Nope......
Obesity is a co- morbidity ............ when do we expect mandatory exercise to begin perhaps cities can sound an alarm and we can all do PE again......... why were all junk food conglomerates not shut down for the good of the Nation,.....
Does George Orwell ring a bell ........1984.
^^^ Nice to read a common-sense post....for a change. The "Blame Game" is alive & well. Fear & ignorance abound these days.