Shall we ban politics? Take the poll.

Do you want politcs to be banned from this forum?

  • Yes, ban it.

    Votes: 37 50.0%

  • No, keep it.

    Votes: 37 50.0%
  • Total voters
    74
  • Poll closed .
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JudyB said:
That just makes me wonder why in the world it was banned?! 🤔 personally, I could never understand why adults couldn't disagree, on any subject really, without it turning into a battle. They must have never been married!🤣
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If you get into a politics forum and go to the comments section and see how vicious posters are to each other you will soon agree that politics are not needed to make a good forum.
 

This is so true, Camper. People who know nothing at all about you personally, will suddenly decide you are their worst enemy and attack you for responding to a comment that is not to their liking. It is unbelievable. I have been called some nasty names on social media. A couple of years ago on this forum someone had started a thread that was political and after a few erroneous comments, I dared to correct them in a neutral tone, but someone here, a VIP or Senior Member jumped all over me and told me that politics were not permitted and I should go back to where Holly found me. I was stunned, since I was merely a respondent on the original thread. So, I left until one day about a year later I received an email from Matrix stating that I hadn't been around and was I OK. I gathered he didn't know what had happened, and let it ride and simply showed up and have been here ever since. But, I avoid politics like the plague. Believe me that subject like some religious ones are toxic. I even keep my opinions to myself when non professionals start stating medical facts which I know are patently incorrect.
 
JudyB said:
That just makes me wonder why in the world it was banned?! 🤔 personally, I could never understand why adults couldn't disagree, on any subject really, without it turning into a battle. They must have never been married!🤣
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Unfortunately 'waynes' comment wasn't true, and wayne wasn't a member here when the political bullying was at it's worst, he didn't join until after most were banned or left ...
 

I belong to a couple of very small sites that permit politics. It’s mostly civilized. Because it’s small, the sniping is minimal, though not always. JMO, there would be no benefit to discussing various philosophies here or at the family dinner table. If discussion of politics is what you want go to a political site as well as here. No one’s opinion will be changed, one way or the other.
 
Jules said:
I belong to a couple of very small sites that permit politics. It’s mostly civilized. Because it’s small, the sniping is minimal, though not always. JMO, there would be no benefit to discussing various philosophies here or at the family dinner table. If discussion of politics is what you want go to a political site as well as here. No one’s opinion will be changed, one way or the other.
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This, I think is a key consideration. When the dust settles and everybody has wiped their bloody noses, has anything or anyone changed?

As asp3 (I think it was him) said, it is possible that a civil discussion could result in folks learning from each other.

Tony
 
The only way to have a civil discussion is to first establish the facts. That's where things get nasty. Somebody will state a "fact" that has no grounding in reality and that's what they'll base their opinions on. Or they'll set up a strawman just to knock it down and act like they won the argument.

There's a debate forum, I forget the name and don't feel like looking for it, but they require participants to cite their sources. The site is something like ChangeMyMind or something like that. I suspect that debates with those rules rarely get out of hand because it prevents people from lying.
 
Irwin said:
The only way to have a civil discussion is to first establish the facts. That's where things get nasty. Somebody will state a "fact" that has no grounding in reality and that's what they'll base their opinions on. Or they'll set up a strawman just to knock it down and act like they won the argument.

There's a debate forum, I forget the name and don't feel like looking for it, but they require participants to cite their sources. The site is something like ChangeMyMind or something like that. I suspect that debates with those rules rarely get out of hand because it prevents people from lying.
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Why ruin a perfectly good argument with facts and logic? Nobody else does? :unsure: o_O

Tony
 
Ruthanne said:
Have you not read all the replies since you were last here? They clearly explain why we don't have Politics anymore. The owner of this site has a right to not allow whatever he wants and most of us are behind him and agree with what he has decided years ago. We are a much happier forum now. I think you will understand better if you
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Jules said:
I belong to a couple of very small sites that permit politics. It’s mostly civilized. Because it’s small, the sniping is minimal, though not always. JMO, there would be no benefit to discussing various philosophies here or at the family dinner table. If discussion of politics is what you want go to a political site as well as here. No one’s opinion will be changed, one way or the other.
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Well speaking for myself I'm not out to try and change anybody's mind. But I do believe that I should be able to State my point of view even though it may be opposite somebody else's without it turning into a battle. Oh I belong to other sites, I would like to find one that allows political, or any other type of, conversation without all the censoring and banning though. It amazes me that adults feel the need to have opposing topics or views moderated or controlled. I've handled 70-plus years of life, I know that I can handle anything that's thrown at me online anywhere I go. If nothing else comes from all the censoring there are more and more less controlling sites turning up since all the censoring has gone on by big Tech. It's unfortunate that it has to come to this but tiz the climate of the country right now. Wishing everybody a happy day! 🌞
 
JudyB said:
lol why don't the people that don't like to talk politics, just not address it? People do realize that it takes comments, or responses to comments, to keep something going, right? 😉 anytime that a topic is banned when the poll plainly showed that the result was equal in percentage, then in my opinion it shows bias on the side of the person that banned the topic. Next to impossible to find a non-biased moderator, they are only Human After All.
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With respect, I don’t really understand why a new member would choose to pursue such a potentially contentious subject. The ban was enforced over three years ago. It remains in effect. Snarky remarks about admin are inappropriate also. It appears to be an exercise in pot stirring. IMHO, in this time of plague, we need to be supportive of each other wherever possible. 🤗
 
JudyB said:
Well speaking for myself I'm not out to try and change anybody's mind. But I do believe that I should be able to State my point of view even though it may be opposite somebody else's without it turning into a battle. Oh I belong to other sites, I would like to find one that allows political, or any other type of, conversation without all the censoring and banning though. It amazes me that adults feel the need to have opposing topics or views moderated or controlled. I've handled 70-plus years of life, I know that I can handle or simply ignore anything that's thrown at me online anywhere I go. If nothing else comes from all the censoring there are more and more less controlling sites turning up since all the censoring has gone on by big Tech. It's unfortunate that it has to come to this but tiz the climate of the country right now. Wishing everybody a happy day! 🌞
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Shalimar said:
With respect, I don’t really understand why a new member would choose to pursue such a potentially contentious subject. The ban was enforced over three years ago. It remains in effect. Snarky remarks about admin are inappropriate also. It appears to be an exercise in pot stirring. IMHO, in this time of plague, we need to be supportive of each other wherever possible. 🤗
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If you're addressing me, I'm not really new. Yes I agree being supportive of each other is a good thing, always, not just when we agree. snarky remarks were never intended towards anybody let alone admin. I made an initial comment, not realizing that it was an old topic ... and from there on I was responding to members responses. Just like I'm responding to yours. Have a nice day.🌞
 
Lewkat said:
This is so true, Camper. People who know nothing at all about you personally, will suddenly decide you are their worst enemy and attack you for responding to a comment that is not to their liking. It is unbelievable. I have been called some nasty names on social media. A couple of years ago on this forum someone had started a thread that was political and after a few erroneous comments, I dared to correct them in a neutral tone, but someone here, a VIP or Senior Member jumped all over me and told me that politics were not permitted and I should go back to where Holly found me. I was stunned, since I was merely a respondent on the original thread. So, I left until one day about a year later I received an email from Matrix stating that I hadn't been around and was I OK. I gathered he didn't know what had happened, and let it ride and simply showed up and have been here ever since. But, I avoid politics like the plague. Believe me that subject like some religious ones are toxic. I even keep my opinions to myself when non professionals start stating medical facts which I know are patently incorrect.
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This is really true, and I have had that happen to me.
I enjoy discussing politics, conspiracy theories, and paranormal topics, and I belong to a small senior’s forum where that is allowed and freedom of speech is pretty much not censored, except for personal attacks.
It makes no sense to me to attack the poster just because they think differently about any topic than I do, and sometimes, this is how we learn new information, when it is shared with each other, and both sides can be discussed.
But there are always people who seem to want to attack anyone who writes something that they don’t agree with, instead of disagreeing with the opinion .
Name calling does nothing to prove one’s point, in my opinion.

My daughter, who I love more than anyone in the world, has a totally opposite political opinion than I do, but that does not affect how I feel about her.
When we do discuss politics, we just explain why we think or believe the way that we do, without arguing with each other.
I think that this is how it should be, with just about any topic, not just politics.
I have seen some nasty posts from people on forums, just over what someone eats, for heaven’s sake ! Post that you are having fresh venison, and the vegans will totally forget that they want life to be peaceful.
 
Lewkat said:
This is so true, Camper. People who know nothing at all about you personally, will suddenly decide you are their worst enemy and attack you for responding to a comment that is not to their liking. It is unbelievable. I have been called some nasty names on social media. A couple of years ago on this forum someone had started a thread that was political and after a few erroneous comments, I dared to correct them in a neutral tone, but someone here, a VIP or Senior Member jumped all over me and told me that politics were not permitted and I should go back to where Holly found me. I was stunned, since I was merely a respondent on the original thread. So, I left until one day about a year later I received an email from Matrix stating that I hadn't been around and was I OK. I gathered he didn't know what had happened, and let it ride and simply showed up and have been here ever since. But, I avoid politics like the plague. Believe me that subject like some religious ones are toxic. I even keep my opinions to myself when non professionals start stating medical facts which I know are patently incorrect.
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I remember you telling me this at the time Lois..it was disgraceful, but I still don't know to this day who the person is who had the temerity to PM you ... ( altho' I have my suspicions)
 
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