Macomb County man, 90, dies after COVID-19 vaccine — but doctors say shots are safe

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Macomb County man, 90, dies after COVID-19 vaccine — but doctors say shots are safe

I tried to copy the article but have been having issues with my phone. I became frustrated with it, and I have issues with the cavalier attitude of not bothering with an autopsy.

And the cavalier attitude of acceptance of elderly deaths of those who recieved their vaccine.

It's to be expected....their old, they died, oh well. It's to be expected they had health issues oh well.

The family has a right to know if his death was related to the vaccine.

He was taking the same meds I take, only I take a few more.

But hey considering the meds he was taking its to be expected he could die from the vaccine.

I now will refuse the current vaccines after reading this article

https://amp.freep.com/amp/4380833001
 

Why don't you follow up on finding out more about this man's demise before totally rejecting the vaccine.
 

Ruthanne said:
Why don't you follow up on finding out more about this man's demise before totally rejecting the vaccine.
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Did you read the article? If so you would know no autopsy was done, case closed.

So how would I follow up?

We have been told by the " experts" that it's safe for those with medical issues to now have the vaccine.

So this man was taking medications and had health issues.

His son states he was doing fine before the vaccination.

In this article they clearly state, they know those with health issues and the elderly could die from the vaccine.

So which is it? Safe or not?
 
Maybe an autopsy will be done yet. Of course it's your choice not to get the vaccine. Millions have gotten it and not died too.

And I did read the article. I can understand your concern when you take the same meds.
 
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Becky1951 said:
Macomb County man, 90, dies after COVID-19 vaccine — but doctors say shots are safe

I tried to copy the article but have been having issues with my phone. I became frustrated with it, and I have issues with the cavalier attitude of not bothering with an autopsy.

And the cavalier attitude of acceptance of elderly deaths of those who recieved their vaccine.

It's to be expected....their old, they died, oh well. It's to be expected they had health issues oh well.

The family has a right to know if his death was related to the vaccine.

He was taking the same meds I take, only I take a few more.

But hey considering the meds he was taking its to be expected he could die from the vaccine.

I now will refuse the current vaccines after reading this article

https://amp.freep.com/amp/4380833001
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Well I guess you can either die from the vaccine or die from COVID. Because it sounds like you don't see any other alternative. It sounds as though you're basing this on information you don't have. Only what is printed in this article which is next to nothing. I do hope you remain safe either way.
 
MarciKS said:
Well I guess you can either die from the vaccine or die from COVID. Because it sounds like you don't see any other alternative. It sounds as though you're basing this on information you don't have. Only what is printed in this article which is next to nothing. I do hope you remain safe either way.
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Surely you have seen the many articles I've posted here regarding Covid and the Covid vaccine.

I've commented and asked questions about the vaccine.

BTW, it's not a given that if I do not get the vaccine I'll die.

But that's pretty much how the vaccine is being pushed or people seem to think.

I hope the other vaccines coming will be safer.
I said I was not going to get the "current" vaccines.
 
Becky1951 said:
Surely you have seen the many articles I've posted here regarding Covid and the Covid vaccine.

I've commented and asked questions about the vaccine.

BTW, it's not a given that if I do not get the vaccine I'll die.

But that's pretty much how the vaccine is being pushed or people seem to think.

I hope the other vaccines coming will be safer.
I said I was not going to get the "current" vaccines.
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Definitely - people are being programmed to think anyone who refuses the vaccine is taking a big risk.
It won't sell without fear.
Who gets to 70-80 years without any health issues?
 
And I definitely don't want to be autopsied. I know I won't know but they cut your face off for chrissakes!
 
Buckeye said:
My 97 y/o mother has had both shots, and is doing fine. So, based on that statistical sample, I would say that it is 100% safe for the elderly to take the vaccine.
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Based on one person and you know it's safe? How is her overall health? That's a factor too. I know a 94 year old in good health, had both shots, doing good so far.
 
Is anyone forcing you to take the vaccine? I understand and respect your unwillingness to do so. But I don't think it's right to try to convince people it's not safe. Covid has killed 500,000 people in the US and the vaccine may or may not have killed a dozen or so. You have to weigh the risks and the rewards.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Is anyone forcing you to take the vaccine? I understand and respect your unwillingness to do so. But I don't think it's right to try to convince people it's not safe. Covid has killed 500,000 people in the US and the vaccine may or may not have killed a dozen or so. You have to weigh the risks and the rewards.
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Did I tell anyone to not take it? No I did not, and had you read any of my former posts and comments, apparently not otherwise you would know I'm not trying to convince others in any way.
I'm only giving my opinion of what information I find.

Others have given their opinions why they are or are not getting the vaccine. Unfortunately a few of those implied that those who were not getting the vaccine were ignorant or uneducated. 😥

I have a right to Express my opinions based on all the articles same as you.
 
Becky1951 said:
Did I tell anyone to not take it? No I did not, and had you read any of my former posts and comments, apparently not otherwise you would know I'm not trying to convince others in any way.
I'm only giving my opinion of what information I find.

Others have given their opinions why they are or are not getting the vaccine. Unfortunately a few of those implied that those who were not getting the vaccine were ignorant or uneducated. 😥

I have a right to Express my opinions based on all the articles same as you.
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Of course you do, and if I implied otherwise I apologize.
 
It's becoming pretty obvious to me that there's (for lack of a better word) coverup going on with regards to vaccine deaths. It's not so much a coverup but a complete lack of desire to find out if the vaccine is causing deaths. All we get is "Nothing to see here, move along". Why wouldn't an autopsy give clues to if the vaccine was involved? A lot of people have died days after the vaccine from stroke. Did this guy have a stroke? We'll never know. You'd think they should at least be compiling some stats . Same for people dying from the clotting issue, is that coincidence? It could be but it seems the whole push is to just keep those jabs coming and not acknowledge any possible bad outcomes. Are old people that expendable? Oh, he was 90, no big deal. He took some meds? My Dad takes blood pressure meds and his BP is 116/68 so I'd say he's less at risk than someone not taking meds who's BP is 130/90. Same for the cholesterol meds they said the guy was on, likely a statin, which are almost prescribed to everybody over 55 with moderately high Cholesterol. If it has his #'s under control, how is that a problem?
I get that the number of deaths may be miniscule compared to the # of people who are getting the vaccine but shouldn't we at least be getting the truth from the so called "experts" or do they just think we're to stupid , as Jack Nicholson said "You can't handle the truth!"
 
JimBob1952 said:
Is anyone forcing you to take the vaccine? I understand and respect your unwillingness to do so. But I don't think it's right to try to convince people it's not safe. Covid has killed 500,000 people in the US and the vaccine may or may not have killed a dozen or so. You have to weigh the risks and the rewards.
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This is not about "Convincing people the vaccine is not safe." It's about sharing information so people can make their own choice.
My sister can't wait to get the vaccine. I'm not getting it. I shared information about problems it has caused. She's still getting it, which is OK with me. She is making an informed choice.
Re: "Covid has killed 500,000 people," that depends on whether or not you believe it is an exaggerated claim.
 
According to the article:

Although Simpson's death happened within a few hours of getting a shot of the Moderna vaccine, it was considered a natural death and no autopsy was completed, said Dr. Mary Pietrangelo, deputy medical examiner for Macomb County. No autopsy was done, Pietrangelo said, in part because it wouldn't have provided an answer to the questions nagging at Simpson's loved ones: Did the vaccine cause their father's death? Or contribute to it in any way?

"There is no way presently to know if this vaccine had anything to do with the death," Pietrangelo said

"There's not a test that you can do. There is nothing that you can actually look at that will give you that information. There's too much TV on about forensic offices and a lot of people think that an autopsy is the be-all, end-all to answer all the questions, and you know that doesn't happen to be true."

Simpson was taking several drugs that suggested underlying health conditions could have caused his death, Pietrangelo said.

"He had several medical conditions, and that was verified through his medications," she said. "He was taking blood pressure medications. He was taking blood thinner medications. He was taking cholesterol medications. He was taking stomach medications, and a number of non-prescribed things.

"It has the appearance of a natural death. The son did tell our investigators that he had the COVID vaccine the day before, and that there were no complications as a result.

"This situation that we're talking about, about an individual dying in proximity to receiving the vaccine, is actually happening all over the place because millions and millions of vaccines are being given, and they're being given to that very population who have the comorbidities that would certainly predispose them to death.

"And, in fact, the CDC has done studies comparing the population of non-vaccinated, with vaccinated individuals for about 21 different conditions. And the deaths occur far more often in the unvaccinated for various things like heart attacks and pulmonary embolism and stroke, etc., etc. than the vaccinated population. And what they are saying is that these stats are not using any signal that there is a problem with the vaccination."
 
win231 said:
This is not about "Convincing people the vaccine is not safe." It's about sharing information so people can make their own choice.
My sister can't wait to get the vaccine. I'm not getting it. I shared information about problems it has caused. She's still getting it, which is OK with me. She is making an informed choice.
Re: "Covid has killed 500,000 people," that depends on whether or not you believe it is an exaggerated claim.
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Regarding the 500,000 people, I'm quoting the Covid National Tracking project. Do you have evidence that the claim is exaggerated? What is the benefit to anyone to exaggerate the claim?

I've lost a first cousin. Two of my three sisters had it. Several nieces and nephews. My brother-in-law was hospitalized. To quote Neil Diamond, I'm a believer.

Of course there may be adverse reactions and even some deaths due to the vaccine. But we are talking about small numbers in comparison to a threat which has killed many people (choose your own number) and severely damaged our way of life.

Share all the information you want, no one is stopping you.
 
Becky, in another thread, the one about someone in Detroit receiving the vaccine and then dying, I wrote pretty extensively about this. In case you missed that discussion, here are a few sentences from it. I said,

Probably in almost every death from whatever cause, there are underlying conditions. I don't think the doctors have the time to meticulously analyze every death, to be sure they have the perfect diagnosis on the death certificate.

In other words, a very small number of people might get seriously ill or even die from the vaccine. That is undoubtedly true of every single medication taken for whatever reason. People have reactions. Some people turn out allergic. Some react badly for reasons that remain unknown, maybe due to a bad interaction with some other medication or substance. I repeat, a very small number.

But millions of people are perfectly fine with the vaccine, and are thereafter immune to a devastating disease. So, how much sense does it make to behave like a person with a phobia over something that is very, very likely, nearly 100%, to be absolutely safe, and could very possibly save your life? Good grief, some people die after taking an aspirin!

P.S. There are some legitimate reasons to avoid the vaccine. The latest one I heard about is pregnancy. If I were pregnant, I would probably just not get the vaccine until after the baby was born.
 
Sunny said:
Becky, in another thread, the one about someone in Detroit receiving the vaccine and then dying, I wrote pretty extensively about this. In case you missed that discussion, here are a few sentences from it. I said,

Probably in almost every death from whatever cause, there are underlying conditions. I don't think the doctors have the time to meticulously analyze every death, to be sure they have the perfect diagnosis on the death certificate.

In other words, a very small number of people might get seriously ill or even die from the vaccine. That is undoubtedly true of every single medication taken for whatever reason. People have reactions. Some people turn out allergic. Some react badly for reasons that remain unknown, maybe due to a bad interaction with some other medication or substance. I repeat, a very small number.

But millions of people are perfectly fine with the vaccine, and are thereafter immune to a devastating disease. So, how much sense does it make to behave like a person with a phobia over something that is very, very likely, nearly 100%, to be absolutely safe, and could very possibly save your life? Good grief, some people die after taking an aspirin!

P.S. There are some legitimate reasons to avoid the vaccine. The latest one I heard about is pregnancy. If I were pregnant, I would probably just not get the vaccine until after the baby was born.
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So, how much sense does it make to behave like a person with a phobia over something that is very, very likely, nearly 100%, to be absolutely safe, and could very possibly save your life?

Oh ok, so now I have a phobia! 🙄

No one including you know the long term effects of the 2 current vaccines using the mRNA technology.

J&J has their vaccine ready for approval if approved that's the one I'll trust.

At least I'm not spewing incorrect information such as, after a few weeks after second shot it's safe to toss the mask!
 
@Becky1951 There are many and I mean, MANY who have taken both doses and that are still walking amongst us without any problems. We, hubs and I are thankful to have received it.

I am just curious to know just how many have died after receiving this vaccine? And I also wonder if they had other underlying conditions that may have caused their death?

I am just curious and not arguing.
 

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