The Derek Chauvin Trial

I see recklessness and negligence which is how he should've been charged. I think in this case a quicker conviction even with lesser charges than they are seeking would've been better for everyone involved.

That being said the officer didn't follow the book and denied the supect medical assistance among other things. He should've disciplined reprimanded and/or arrested much sooner. He is allowed a defense but the video and time speak for themselves especially along with not part of his training or procedures.
 

Butterfly said:
I disagree. The medical testimony has been consistent all the way through that the way in which Mr. Floyd was handled and knelt upon by the police officers was what caused him to die. Doesn't matter what they knew or didn't know. The cause of his death was the actions of the police officers, Chauvin in particular. I believe it was Dr. Barker that testified that that amount of compression of Mr. Floyd's body for as long as it lasted would have killed almost anybody, no matter how fit or healthy.
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You can certainly disagree but you'd be wrong. Intent definitely plays a part in the different levels of murder, 1st degree, 2nd degree, manslaughter etc. It's the law, not my opinion
 
Butterfly said:
No, it isn't. Some levels of homicide (manslaughter) do not require a finding of intent to kill. And the requirements vary in different states.
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You're actually making my point. Intent determines the difference between 1st degree and manslaughter which can be just due to carelessness
 
Chauvin asserted his 5th AM right to not take the stand today. I'm surprised he did not assert his MN constitution = in addition?
 
Devi said:
Question - what is "MN constitution"?
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MN: Minnesota.

Bill of Rights: Article 1:

Sec. 7. Due process; prosecutions; double jeopardy; self-incrimination; bail; habeas corpus.​

No person shall be held to answer for a criminal offense without due process of law, and no person shall be put twice in jeopardy of punishment for the same offense, nor be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself...
 
The Defense presentation lasted only 2 days. Closing arguments scheduled for Monday. My wild guess, the Jury will deliberate 2 days.

The decision:
Guilty: Pacification for the public.
Not guilty: Perdition for the public.
 
The judge didn’t sequester the jury and the defence lawyer didn’t complain. That’s convenient. Did the judge really think nobody would say anything that the jury shouldn’t hear?
 
I hate these things... Hate that it happens and hate how we litigate it. I know there are bad cops and I am all for them being prosecuted and punished. I also know cops have a hard job and have to make spilt second decisions under adverse, often confused and emotion charged conditions, and sometimes those decisions are wrong.

The best way we have of sorting this all out is our legal system with a judge and jury. The worst way is in the media and the court of public opinion...

I don't know if Chauvin is guilty or not, but I do believe the court has a better shot at making the right decision than I do. I sure hope they get it right. Sad thing is either way a man is dead, one who should still be alive.
 
Alligatorob said:
I hate these things... Hate that it happens and hate how we litigate it. I know there are bad cops and I am all for them being prosecuted and punished. I also know cops have a hard job and have to make spilt second decisions under adverse, often confused and emotion charged conditions, and sometimes those decisions are wrong.

The best way we have of sorting this all out is our legal system with a judge and jury. The worst way is in the media and the court of public opinion...

I don't know if Chauvin is guilty or not, but I do believe the court has a better shot at making the right decision than I do. I sure hope they get it right. Sad thing is either way a man is dead, one who should still be alive.
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If you saw the video, you would know Chauvin is as guilty as can be. Doesn't take an expert.
 
Okay, before the jury comes back, anyone else want to say how they would vote if they were on the jury?

I watched the videos and listened to every word and paid special attention to the definitions of the different charges and I would say he is guilty of Manslaughter, not the other two charges.
 
Della said:
Okay, before the jury comes back, anyone else want to say how they would vote if they were on the jury?

I watched the videos and listened to every word and paid special attention to the definitions of the different charges and I would say he is guilty of Manslaughter, not the other two charges.
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yep agree... I'd like it to be murder because I'm fed up with rogue cops..but I feel it has to be manslaughter
 
Most people would agree that Chauvin needs to be convicted of a serious offense, and punished accordingly. Personally, I think the end of this trial...no matter What the verdict is...will be the signal for yet another round of violent protests and riots...especially in Minneapolis and places like Portland.
 
Though I am not going to participate in the opinionating, I do want to mention that our governor has asked for help from law enforcement and National Guard from other states in anticipation of the civil unrest (to put it politely) following this trial and that of Officer Kim Potter. Living as close as I do to both of these situations (less than 7 miles to either one), I do have some concerns.

Tony
 
Clearly a not guilty verdict will lead to rioting nationwide. What will happen with a manslaughter conviction? Is that enough to deter unrest?
 
mrstime said:
I believe Chauvin should have been charged with 1st degree murder.
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He couldn't be. First-degree murder involves an intentional murder that is willful and premeditated with malice aforethought.

Premeditation requires that the defendant planned the murder before it was committed or was “lying in wait” for the victim.These factors don't apply in this case.
 

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