The Derek Chauvin Trial

I don't think the trial is about Floyd. The trial is about a guy, who knelt on another person's neck, which caused the death of that person. What Floyd did to get arrested is not relevant. He was, and handcuffed. People are reading all kinds of things into the death of Floyd racism, police brutality, drugs, crime, the thin Blue Line, etc. It's about a guy, who knelt on another person's neck, which caused the death of that person.
 

garyt1957 said:
All that typing and you didn't answer the question.
And what was Chauvin's motive? He's just a homicidal maniac? And he chose that moment to act out in front of all those people? You really believe this?
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Yes he did what he did on purpose. Two of my friends and my sister, in separate conversations, recalled that look on his face as he was kneeling on Mr. Floyd's neck. It was one of determination, it was deliberate and uncaring. Do you honestly think he didn't know that restricting someone's breathing for that long wouldn't result in death? Mr. Floyd told him he couldn't breathe. Shades of Eric Garner...he said he couldn't breathe too, was ignored and later died. I think Chauvin figured he'd get away with it because he's a senior officer. Look how many other cops have gotten away with killing innocent Black men (or those who committed only minor crimes)! BTW...one of my friends that talked about that deliberate look was my BFF of 44 years, who happens to be Caucasian.

@rgp "Michael Jackson & George Floyd both killed themselves by way of their behavior,habits & lifestyle." How you can compare one to the other is beyond me. I've seen your posts in the past that lead me to believe either you are living in an alternate universe or you're a racist. Maybe both of those things apply. George Floyd was killed by a cop who clearly had anger issues. Thus the 18 complaints in the past. A few months ago, you claimed that innocent Black people being killed was a figment of my imagination (sic). When I posted examples (proof), you never acknowledged or replied. Like they say...Truth hurts! It's time you get a grip on reality.
 
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As arrogant as Chauvin is, he will insist his defense put him on the stand so he can spit in the faces of the jurors.
 

JimBob1952 said:
Wow, lots of sweeping generalizations, very little basis in fact. Do you have studies and statistical analysis you can cite to back up what you say about police? Something that backs up your contention that some cops "take pleasure in the pain of others?" I did a quick Google search and couldn't find anything, but maybe you have better sources. Do you know Chauvin is a racist and "hates black people?" Do you know what was in his mind that day?

I take offense because some family members (including two nephews) are cops or ex-cops. None exhibit the behavior you claim is commonplace.
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Of course, you know about their behavior because you go with them on their watch every minute of every day..........
 
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Dr Andrew Baker told the court that the police pinning the 46-year-old Black man to the ground was “just more than Mr Floyd could take” by making it hard for him to breathe, causing stress hormones that worsened a heart condition and led to his death.

But the Hennepin county medical examiner did not support the evidence of other medical specialists who told the trial that Floyd was suffocated under Chauvin’s knee, on his neck for more than nine minutes as he was pinned to the ground by him and two other police officers.

This makes me wonder.
 
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Dr Andrew Baker told the court that the police pinning the 46-year-old Black man to the ground was “just more than Mr Floyd could take” by making it hard for him to breathe, causing stress hormones that worsened a heart condition and led to his death.

But the Hennepin county medical examiner did not support the evidence of other medical specialists who told the trial that Floyd was suffocated under Chauvin’s knee, on his neck for more than nine minutes as he was pinned to the ground by him and two other police officers.

This makes me wonder.
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What a disgrace!
 
mellowyellow said:
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Dr Andrew Baker told the court that the police pinning the 46-year-old Black man to the ground was “just more than Mr Floyd could take” by making it hard for him to breathe, causing stress hormones that worsened a heart condition and led to his death.

But the Hennepin county medical examiner did not support the evidence of other medical specialists who told the trial that Floyd was suffocated under Chauvin’s knee, on his neck for more than nine minutes as he was pinned to the ground by him and two other police officers.

This makes me wonder.
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If the issue is whether the pressure Chauvin, et al., placed on Mr. Floyd's body caused a worsening of a heart condition that led to his death. or whether it was asphyxiation, it is a distinction without a difference.

Whether it was one or the other, the point is that the actions of Chauvin proximately caused Mr. Floyd to die.
 
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OneEyedDiva said:
Yes he did what he did on purpose. Two of my friends and my sister, in separate conversations, recalled that look on his face as he was kneeling on Mr. Floyd's neck. It was one of determination, it was deliberate and uncaring. Do you honestly think he didn't know that restricting someone's breathing for that long wouldn't result in death? Mr. Floyd told him he couldn't breathe. Shades of Eric Garner...he said he couldn't breathe too and was ignored and later died. I think Chauvin figured he'd get away with it because he's a senior officer. Look how many other cops have gotten away with killing innocent Black men (or those who committed only minor crimes)! BTW...one of my friends that talked about that deliberate look was my BFF of 44 years, who happens to be White.
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We just disagree. Do you realize Floyd said he couldn't breathe when he was just sitting in the car before he started fighting with the cops? I do think Chauvin was arrogant and wasn't going to let the crowd dictate to him what to do and he had that look on his face. I still don't think he was thinking "I'm going to kill this guy right here and now in front of all these people". Maybe I just don't think people can be that stupid.
 
Did Chauvin intend to kill Floyd? Somehow, this popular song, from many years ago, popped into my head. I know, Chauvin didn't use a gun to kill him, but it's appropriate anyway.:

Oh Miss Effie was her name
Through the west she won her fame
Being handy with the gun
But she drove the men insane
Cause she'd whip out her pistol
And shoot most any guy
And sing out this alibi

I didn't know the gun was loaded
And I'm so sorry my friend
I didn't know the gun was loaded
And I'll never, never do it again

Now one night she had a date
With a wrestling heavyweight
And he tried a brand new hold
She did not appreciate
So she whipped out her pistol
And shot him in the knee
And quickly, she sang this plea

I didn't know the gun was loaded
And I'm so sorry my friend
I didn't know the gun was loaded
And I'll never, never do it again

But one night she made a slip
Shot the sheriff in the hip
So the law it took a hand
And made Effie take the stand
And she pled, "oh your honor
I'll know you turn me loose
When you hear my one excuse"

I didn't know the gun was loaded
And I'm so sorry my friend
I didn't know the gun was loaded
And I'll never, never do it again

Yes the jury all agreed
That Miss Effie should be free
But the sheriff's jealous wife
Was indignant (yes, indeed)
So she borrowed a pistol
And shot this village belle
And sang as Miss Effie fell

I didn't know the gun was loaded
And I'm so sorry my friend
I didn't know the gun was loaded
And I'll never, never do it again

(Uh oh! I didn't know it was loaded)
 
Butterfly said:
If the issue is whether the pressure Chauvin, et al., placed on Mr. Floyd's body caused a worsening of a heart condition that led to his death. or whether it was asphyxiation, it is a distinction without a difference.

Whether it was one or the other, the point is that the actions of Chauvin proximately caused Mr. Floyd to die.
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Actually it's a HUGE difference in the eyes of the law. If Floyd died from a heart condition that Chauvin couldn't know he had you certainly can't convict him of 2nd degree murder. Maybe manslaughter at best. If it was asphyxiation you can now bring 2nd degree into the conversation.
 

Derek Chauvin Trial – Prosecution Problems Ignored or Misrepresented In Mainstream Media​


(Open Thread) There are very significant prosecution evidentiary problems ignored or misrepresented in the mainstream media. which will lead to an even larger explosion of violence if there is a not guilty verdict.

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"The jurors also know that the city and much of the nation will explode if there is a ‘not guilty’ verdict, and that they will be doxxed and their lives ruined."
https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/...srepresented-in-mainstream-media-open-thread/
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Yes he did what he did on purpose. Two of my friends and my sister, in separate conversations, recalled that look on his face as he was kneeling on Mr. Floyd's neck. It was one of determination, it was deliberate and uncaring. Do you honestly think he didn't know that restricting someone's breathing for that long wouldn't result in death? Mr. Floyd told him he couldn't breathe. Shades of Eric Garner...he said he couldn't breathe too, was ignored and later died. I think Chauvin figured he'd get away with it because he's a senior officer. Look how many other cops have gotten away with killing innocent Black men (or those who committed only minor crimes)! BTW...one of my friends that talked about that deliberate look was my BFF of 44 years, who happens to be Caucasian.

@rgp "Michael Jackson & George Floyd both killed themselves by way of their behavior,habits & lifestyle." How you can compare one to the other is beyond me. I've seen your posts in the past that lead me to believe either you are living in an alternate universe or you're a racist. Maybe both of those things apply. George Floyd was killed by a cop who clearly had anger issues. Thus the 18 complaints in the past. A few months ago, you claimed that innocent Black people being killed was a figment of my imagination (sic). When I posted examples (proof), you never acknowledged or replied. Like they say...Truth hurts! It's time you get a grip on reality.
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Diva, I agree completely!
He was absolutely deliberate in what he did and trying to deflect responsibility just doesn't cut it. We are way past the point where misbehavior like this is tolerated.
 
I'm thinkin' there will be idiots rioting no matter what the verdict is, for or against. Sickos just itching for the trial to reach a conclusion so they can let loose and do as much stupid destruction everywhere as they can, disappearing with stolen goods to enjoy. No concern over the misery they cause others.
 
Pecos said:
Diva, I agree completely!
He was absolutely deliberate in what he did and trying to deflect responsibility just doesn't cut it. We are way past the point where misbehavior like this is tolerated.
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I agree also. He even had that killers pride like trophy hunters have when they’ve caught their prey. Scary.
 
Sunny said:
Maybe if sicko police officers would stop killing people completely unnecessarily, there would be fewer "idiots" rioting, and less destruction and looting. You may be right about how inevitable this outcome is, no matter which way the verdict goes. But who is to blame for starting it?
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Maybe if criminals/street thugs, would stop fighting with the police @ the time of arrest , they might not be killed either.

Who's the blame for starting it all ? Floyd, had he not resisted & been strung out on dope? He would very likely be alive today.
 
rgp said:
Maybe if criminals/street thugs, would stop fighting with the police @ the time of arrest , they might not be killed either.

Who's the blame for starting it all ? Floyd, had he not resisted & been strung out on dope? He would very likely be alive today.
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Would you resist an UNlawful arrest?
 
Elsie said:
I'm thinkin' there will be idiots rioting no matter what the verdict is, for or against. Sickos just itching for the trial to reach a conclusion so they can let loose and do as much stupid destruction everywhere as they can, disappearing with stolen goods to enjoy. No concern over the misery they cause others.
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If these dirt bag cops receive a just sentence, there won't be any rioting.
There was no rioting after this officer was convicted & sentenced to 20 years:
 
I remember that Win, it was "cold blooded murder". The man was fleeing on foot from a simple traffic stop, he posed no harm to anyone if permitted to escape.
 
win231 said:
If these dirt bag cops receive a just sentence, there won't be any rioting.
There was no rioting after this officer was convicted & sentenced to 20 years:
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Interesting,and well deserved 20 years let's hope he doesn't get out in 5..I just watched that, and I wonder if you know if the back up cops ( Black).. who stated they administered CPR to Walter, where it shows clearly in the 4 minute video they did not..were ever disciplined, at the very least for lying... ,
 
ohioboy said:
I remember that Win, it was "cold blooded murder". The man was fleeing on foot from a simple traffic stop, he posed no harm to anyone if permitted to escape.
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I think the cop would have gotten away with it if it wasn't videotaped. When he radioed, he said "The suspect grabbed my taser." A second officer arrived & planted the taser next to the victim's body to justify the killing. No mention of his discipline for tampering with evidence in a homicide.
Such cops are so impatient to kill, they forget about the prevalence of video everywhere. Or, perhaps they are aware of video, but can't control their urge to kill.
 
win231 said:
If these dirt bag cops receive a just sentence, there won't be any rioting.
There was no rioting after this officer was convicted & sentenced to 20 years:
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Trouble is, a "just sentence" won't be seen as justice prevailing and go off on a tangent of revenge...........but I sure hope not.
 


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