The Derek Chauvin Trial

Aunt Marg said:
I do, GaryT, for the simple reason I believe that Chauvin, grew to believe he was invincible.

He could exercise whatever force he personally deemed necessary in relation to the crime, and authorities would be there for him to serve and protect.

A killer on the loose he was.
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We agree to disagree
 
Jeweltea said:
Which is why he is not on trial for first degree murder.
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I think he's not charged with first degree murder because that requires proof of planning, premeditation & intent, which is hard to prove. They don't want to run the risk of overcharging him because he could be acquitted if they can't prove intent.
 

win231 said:
He intended to kill Floyd & thought he could do it & make it look like it was "Unintentional while trying to restrain him." Yeah....restraining a handcuffed, helpless person.
People try to get away with murder & make it look like an accident all the time. (in this case, the parents didn't know they were being taped in the police station while they discussed the situation in private & said, "Don't worry, honey....the police won't be able to prove anything.....")
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/h...-ross-harris-sentenced-life-son-s-hot-n692086

There are many such cases of "Hot Car Deaths." Many parents are using this as a way to get rid of their unwanted kids. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

And, "I didn't mean to kill my wife; I was cleaning the gun & it just went off..."
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And what was Chauvin's motive? He's just a homicidal maniac? And he chose that moment to act out in front of all those people? You really believe this?
 
Sunny said:
From today's paper. I was thinking along the same lines, reading some of the opinions I've seen, basically blaming Floyd for his own death. It's the old "blame the victim" game, and it reminded me, as it did Margaret Sullivan, of the ridiculous excuse sometimes given for rape: "Well, the way she was dressed, she was asking for it." Some things never change.

Here's the column. I hope you can see it without having to be a subscriber.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...58716c-9796-11eb-a6d0-13d207aadb78_story.html
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Unfortunately I have to be a subscriber....
 
garyt1957 said:
And what was Chauvin's motive? He's just a homicidal maniac? And he chose that moment to act out in front of all those people? You really believe this?
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You may not be aware of the fact that many individuals are attracted to law enforcement careers because they crave the power that comes with it. And some simply take pleasure in the pain of others - much like serial killers. And many others are attracted to it because their power allows them to take out their frustrations & personal racist beliefs on people they hate & be called "Heroes" & gain respect at the same time.

As for "acting out in front of all those people," many cops think they're invincible & can get away with anything. And "all those people" at the scene were black people - people he hates anyway.

A female officer who testified at the trial of the 4 officers who beat Rodney King said a car briefly stopped at the scene (it can be seen in the video). A supervising officer told her to "Go tell the people in that car to leave NOW." The officers knew they committing a crime & they didn't want witnesses. Unfortunately for them, they didn't realize they were being videotaped by someone they couldn't intimidate because they couldn't see him. And that videotape made liars out of all 4 cops.
 
win231 said:
You may not be aware of the fact that many individuals are attracted to law enforcement careers because they crave the power that comes with it. And some simply take pleasure in the pain of others - much like serial killers. And many others are attracted to it because their power allows them to take out their frustrations & personal racist beliefs on people they hate & be called "Heroes" & gain respect at the same time.

As for "acting out in front of all those people," many cops think they're invincible & can get away with anything. And "all those people" at the scene were black people - people he hates anyway.

A female officer who testified at the trial of the 4 officers who beat Rodney King said a car briefly stopped at the scene (it can be seen in the video). A supervising officer told her to "Go tell the people in that car to leave NOW." The officers knew they committing a crime & they didn't want witnesses. Unfortunately for them, they didn't realize they were being videotaped by someone they couldn't intimidate because they couldn't see him. And that videotape made liars out of all 4 cops.
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Wow, lots of sweeping generalizations, very little basis in fact. Do you have studies and statistical analysis you can cite to back up what you say about police? Something that backs up your contention that some cops "take pleasure in the pain of others?" I did a quick Google search and couldn't find anything, but maybe you have better sources. Do you know Chauvin is a racist and "hates black people?" Do you know what was in his mind that day?

I take offense because some family members (including two nephews) are cops or ex-cops. None exhibit the behavior you claim is commonplace.
 
win231 said:
You may not be aware of the fact that many individuals are attracted to law enforcement careers because they crave the power that comes with it. And some simply take pleasure in the pain of others - much like serial killers. And many others are attracted to it because their power allows them to take out their frustrations & personal racist beliefs on people they hate & be called "Heroes" & gain respect at the same time.

As for "acting out in front of all those people," many cops think they're invincible & can get away with anything. And "all those people" at the scene were black people - people he hates anyway.

A female officer who testified at the trial of the 4 officers who beat Rodney King said a car briefly stopped at the scene (it can be seen in the video). A supervising officer told her to "Go tell the people in that car to leave NOW." The officers knew they committing a crime & they didn't want witnesses. Unfortunately for them, they didn't realize they were being videotaped by someone they couldn't intimidate because they couldn't see him. And that videotape made liars out of all 4 cops.
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All that typing and you didn't answer the question.
And what was Chauvin's motive? He's just a homicidal maniac? And he chose that moment to act out in front of all those people? You really believe this?
 
Sunny said:
From today's paper. I was thinking along the same lines, reading some of the opinions I've seen, basically blaming Floyd for his own death. It's the old "blame the victim" game, and it reminded me, as it did Margaret Sullivan, of the ridiculous excuse sometimes given for rape: "Well, the way she was dressed, she was asking for it." Some things never change.

Here's the column. I hope you can see it without having to be a subscriber.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...58716c-9796-11eb-a6d0-13d207aadb78_story.html
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It goes both ways. Derek Chauvin was "no angel" either. People filed 18 complaints against him over the years, and he had a reputation for being overly aggressive and combinative. Only, since Chauvin is on trial, his history and reputation are relevant.
 
garyt1957 said:
All that typing and you didn't answer the question.
And what was Chauvin's motive? He's just a homicidal maniac? And he chose that moment to act out in front of all those people? You really believe this?
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He who doesn't like the answer, pretends not to see the answer.
 
Pepper said:
Chauvin displayed Depraved Indifference, in other words while he didn't give a s**t he just didn't care. In other words again, while he wasn't out to kill GF his death was of no consequence. Depraved.
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JimBob1952 said:
Wow, lots of sweeping generalizations, very little basis in fact. Do you have studies and statistical analysis you can cite to back up what you say about police? Something that backs up your contention that some cops "take pleasure in the pain of others?" I did a quick Google search and couldn't find anything, but maybe you have better sources. Do you know Chauvin is a racist and "hates black people?" Do you know what was in his mind that day?

I take offense because some family members (including two nephews) are cops or ex-cops. None exhibit the behavior you claim is commonplace.
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Obviously you didn't do much "Searching." (this took 2 seconds to find). One of many
https://gen.medium.com/police-are-hurting-people-because-they-want-to-56663cc22f3e

Of course you take offense. You provided the reason why you take offense - "some family members (including two nephews) are cops or ex-cops."
 
Question, maybe I missed this. Why isn’t the jury sequestered?

They can’t be missing the public opinions on how the verdicts may cause reactions within the community. Could this later be a cause for a mistrial?
 
Jules said:
Question, maybe I missed this. Why isn’t the jury sequestered?

They can’t be missing the public opinions on how the verdicts may cause reactions within the community. Could this later be a cause for a mistrial?
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Not a mistrial, no. If the court refuses to sequester the jury, if the Defense is of the belief not doing so would greatly prejudice their case, they could file an Interlocutory appeal, meaning a ruling is appealed before a case proceeds. Don't count me as I know what I'm talking about :) though. I guess they are rare??
 
ohioboy said:
Holly, it rips my heart out knowing the intense pain George Floyd suffered because some stinking pig had to show the world how big and bad he was.
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Yep me too, and millions of others... I actually felt violent towards Chauvin the first time I saw that video on the news.I thought if that was a police officer here in the UK I would have jumped on him and pulled him off ..... in the USA I would probably have been killed for that ,as I suspect all the bystanders were thinking too...
 
digifoss said:
1st degree is premeditated, 2nd degree is not. they are both intentional. 3rd degree is manslaughter.
Chauvin should have been charged with manslaughter, killing was not his intention IMO
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I think we need to remember that the elements of each type of homicide vary state by state. And of course the only law that matters is the law in which the crime took place.
 
DaveA said:
It's a sad situation but I have to agree - -some of the comments are beyond me??

You have to be kidding. I'd hate to think how many counterfeit bills MAY have passed through my hands in the last 80 years or so. I might have one in my wallet today for all I know? Anyone who studies each bill that they receive or pass on, and can quickly spot a fake would make me suspicious as to their motive and familiarity with this type of currency.

He passed a bad bill - -so-be-it. Not exactly the crime of the century. Certainly not worthy of the death penalty, no matter how or who carried it out.
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This is not the entire story, so why not start at the beginning and follow it through as to exactly what occurred? Step by step. Armchair judges and juries are really a joke.
 
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