The Derek Chauvin Trial

Della said:
Okay, before the jury comes back, anyone else want to say how they would vote if they were on the jury?

I watched the videos and listened to every word and paid special attention to the definitions of the different charges and I would say he is guilty of Manslaughter, not the other two charges.
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You are showing a lot of mercy for someone who showed none.
 

Waters is a Congresswoman. Everybody knows that means, you do NOT take what they say seriously. Our Congressmen are not known for their clarity of thought, well formed opinions, and thoughtful consideration. In short, they are as crazy as we are.
But I think, we know we are sitting on a powder keg, if the 'wrong' verdict comes in.
 
Pink Biz said:
He couldn't be. First-degree murder involves an intentional murder that is willful and premeditated with malice aforethought. Premeditation requires that the defendant planned the murder before it was committed or was “lying in wait” for the victim.These factors don't apply in this case.
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They may not apply legally because it would be hard to prove. But I believe Chauvin did intend to kill Floyd from the beginning.
 

Pink Biz said:
He couldn't be. First-degree murder involves an intentional murder that is willful and premeditated with malice aforethought.

Premeditation requires that the defendant planned the murder before it was committed or was “lying in wait” for the victim.These factors don't apply in this case.
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I don't pretend to know the law, but premeditation can be "instantaneous". It has to do with intent. As when you are chocking someone, and know you are chocking them, stop, and then continue, that could be "premeditation". I'm not a lawyer.
But I don't see any other verdict than manslaughter.
 
I can't offer an opinion on the verdict because I wasn't on the jury and didn't hear / see all the evidence. The court of public opinion doesn't count, or it shouldn't, but there are certain people, even politicians as we see trying to coerce the jury.
 
I had the thought that a police officer should be tried by a jury of his peers which would be others in law enforcement. You could label it as a tribunal or something similar to a court marshall. You might argue bias, but there seems to be bias the other way by the public, at least the vocal ones. Law enforcement does not like bad apples because it reflects on them.
 
Aunt Marg said:
I hope true justice awaits outside the court room if the court system fails the public.
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That could easily be my neighborhood that burns. We had nothing to do with it, nor did any of the stores that have been looted and burned. It is a very different view when one lives where these things are occurring.

Tony
 
tbeltrans said:
That could easily be my neighborhood that burns. We had nothing to do with it, nor did any of the stores that have been looted and burned. It is a very different view when one lives where these things are occurring.

Tony
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Aunt Marg didn't mean rioting & burning when she said "True justice." She meant someone killing Derek Chauvin
(which would be justice).
 
win231 said:
Aunt Marg didn't mean rioting & burning when she said "True justice." She meant someone killing Derek Chauvin
(which would be justice).
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OK. Thanks for the clarification and my apologies for my misunderstanding.

Here are two headlines in today's local news, and these are happening nearly every single day now that the city council has clearly stepped away from supporting local law enforcement. This needs to stop. Now.

https://kstp.com/news/man-arrested-...-national-guard-members-were-shot-at/6080293/

https://kstp.com/minnesota-news/1-d...ting-dupont-avenue-north-minneapolis/6080692/

Minneapolis and surrounding areas were once a very decent area in which to live and raise a family. Now, we have these going on daily. Daily!

My opinion is not about Chauvin, but instead about the area in which I live. I believe we should not be turning the city over to thugs in the name of political correctness. Take the city back by force if necessary and to hell with political correctness. Live by the law and stop this nonsense. A society can't function unless those in it agree to a set of standards for behavior (i.e. law). Anyone who breaks the law, whether cop or criminal, should be held accountable.

Tony
 
Chet said:
I had the thought that a police officer should be tried by a jury of his peers which would be others in law enforcement. You could label it as a tribunal or something similar to a court marshall. You might argue bias, but there seems to be bias the other way by the public, at least the vocal ones. Law enforcement does not like bad apples because it reflects on them.
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actually that's not so...in the police force they have what's called a 'Blue wall''.. which means they usually protect their own, and any internal investigation usually comes out in favour of an officer.

This case has differed from that, and in fact even from a public trial where Police officers will generally always give evidence for the defence..in Chauvins' case 99 % gave evidence for the prosecution , all saying.. we're not like how he's portrayed us, we do not teach officers to deal with situations in this way, and that it was most definitely an assault
 
hollydolly said:
actually that's not so...in the police force they have what's called a 'Blue wall''.. which means they usually protect their own, and any internal investigation usually comes out in favour of an officer.

This case has differed from that, and in fact even from a public trial where Police officers will generally always give evidence for the defence..in Chauvins' case 99 % gave evidence for the prosecution , all saying.. we're not like how he's portrayed us, we do not teach officers to deal with situations in this way, and that it was most definitely an assault
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Yep, only paid "experts" gave testimony to support Chauvin. One was paid $11,000, which automatically makes his credibility questionable.
 
hollydolly said:
actually that's not so...in the police force they have what's called a 'Blue wall''.. which means they usually protect their own, and any internal investigation usually comes out in favour of an officer.

This case has differed from that, and in fact even from a public trial where Police officers will generally always give evidence for the defence..in Chauvins' case 99 % gave evidence for the prosecution , all saying.. we're not like how he's portrayed us, we do not teach officers to deal with situations in this way, and that it was most definitely an assault
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Exactly true on all counts. From the moment that video surfaced, police departments across the country vehemently condemned the actions of Chauvin and the officers who didn't intervene.

It put many of us in mind of the video in which Rodney King was beaten by LAPD. These horrific, unnecessary abuses of power may be very difficult to watch, but they're so very important for the public to see. Thank heavens for video.

I think ALL police officers and police vehicles should be outfitted with cameras that are only turned off when an officer is using a restroom or otherwise off-duty. That's the only way "bad apples" will be removed from the bushels. As Chris Rock says, it's unacceptable to have "a few bad apples" in police departments, just as it's unacceptable to have "bad apples" as airline pilots.

Lest anyone think I'm anti-police, let me disabuse you of that notion. I'm friends with a couple of current LAPD members, a police chief in a small town in WA state, several retired police officers, and my grandfather on one side and uncle on the other were both NYPD.

Right is right and wrong is wrong. What happened to George Floyd was a crime worse than manslaughter. Chauvin's actions were not a split second decision - he spent nine minutes murdering a man despite numerous witnesses pointing out what was happening and begging him to stop.
 
StarSong said:
Exactly true on all counts. From the moment that video surfaced, police departments across the country vehemently condemned the actions of Chauvin and the officers who didn't intervene.

It put many of us in mind of the video in which Rodney King was beaten by LAPD. These horrific, unnecessary abuses of power may be very difficult to watch, but they're so very important for the public to see. Thank heavens for video.

I think ALL police officers and police vehicles should be outfitted with cameras that are only turned off when an officer is using a restroom or otherwise off-duty. That's the only way "bad apples" will be removed from the bushels. As Chris Rock says, it's unacceptable to have "a few bad apples" in police departments, just as it's unacceptable to have "bad apples" as airline pilots.

Lest anyone think I'm anti-police, let me disabuse you of that notion. I'm friends with a couple of current LAPD members, a police chief in a small town in WA state, several retired police officers, and my grandfather on one side and uncle on the other were both NYPD.

Right is right and wrong is wrong. What happened to George Floyd was a crime worse than manslaughter. Chauvin's actions were not a split second decision - he spent nine minutes murdering a man despite numerous witnesses pointing out what was happening and begging him to stop.
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Exactly..and with a casual hand in his pocket like he couldn't care less about a man begging and crying for his life... I wish I was the judge, that man would go to prison for the rest of his life.., see if he'd be able to kneel on another prisoners neck in there...
 
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The prosecution should have went for the more easily provable offenses assault, manslaughter, police abuse charges and the only plea deal to be made would be the amount of prison time reduced the faster he plead guilty and could've been in an orange jumpsuit and cuffs enroute to prison by now.

Did he intentionally set out to kill him at anytime no. But he was abusive, negligent and did commit multiple crimes.

Alot of these DAs over charge for leverage in make a plea deal. Sometimes it best to go with a slam dunk and not try a 3 pointer.
 
Don M. said:
And then, we have Idiots like Maxine Waters....politician from California....who is encouraging protesters to ramp up their rioting if Chauvin isn't found guilty and given a harsh sentence. When...not If...these riots start up, I hope one takes place in her neighborhood.

https://news.yahoo.com/maxine-waters-tells-protesters-stay-145954822.html
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Alan Dershowitz was just on Court TV talking about that. Ironically, he compared her effort to threaten the jury to what the KKK used to do. He thinks the judge should have questioned each juror yesterday to make sure she/he hadn't heard about that, and if so, replace that person with an alternate.
 
Don M. said:
And then, we have Idiots like Maxine Waters....politician from California....who is encouraging protesters to ramp up their rioting if Chauvin isn't found guilty and given a harsh sentence. When...not If...these riots start up, I hope one takes place in her neighborhood.

https://news.yahoo.com/maxine-waters-tells-protesters-stay-145954822.html
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Well before Maxine Waters' comments very few Americans imagined this country wouldn't erupt into riots if Chauvin is acquitted or given a slap on the wrist. It will be like the post-Rodney King police acquittals on steroids.
 
StarSong said:
Well before Maxine Waters' comments very few Americans imagined this country wouldn't erupt into riots if Chauvin is acquitted or given a slap on the wrist. It will be like the post-Rodney King police acquittals on steroids.
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But what if, with equal sincerity and passion, she'd called for peaceful vigils and solemn prayer-ins instead? She had the prerogative.
 

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