Is The Lockdown Paradigm Collapsing?

StarSong said:
California has plenty of residents to spare. Anyone who dislikes the politics is more than welcome to leave - and if they want to take a few friends with them, that's ok, too.

It won't hurt the feelings of those of us who love California - trust me.
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If I were to live in California again, I think Irvine would be a decent area to live in. I always liked it there.

Back in 1970 when I left for the Army, my problem was not with politics, but instead that when I was going into the 5th grade, we moved from the Bay area down to the San Fernando Valley and I just never liked, nor adjusted to, the culture of the area. I just wanted to get out of that area one way or another. From my vantage point, my experience was not much different from any kid wanting new horizons and leaving the area in which he or she grew up.

I wish we had stayed up in the Bay area. Now with the cost of living (at least as publicized, which may well be overstating the case as the media seems to do), I can see why my brother, the attorney stays in that area. He seems to move between West Hollywood and Santa Monica every few years. Being a partner in a law firm in downtown LA, he has a very comfortable income as does his wife in her admin position within the LA school system.

Tony
 

StarSong said:
California has plenty of residents to spare. Anyone who dislikes the politics is more than welcome to leave - and if they want to take a few friends with them, that's ok, too.

It won't hurt the feelings of those of us who love California - trust me.
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If someone is happy where they are, like you are in CA, they should stay and enjoy. If anyone is unhappy where they are, they should consider how moving would affect their lives. If they believe they would be better of elsewhere, they should look around.
 
digifoss said:
If someone is happy where they are, like you are in CA, they should stay and enjoy. If anyone is unhappy where they are, they should consider how moving would affect their lives. If they believe they would be better of elsewhere, they should look around.
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Exactly.
Murrmurr said:
In California, people moved to other states at a rate of 5,000/year over the last 2 years, and this year that number is expected to nearly double. Major corporations have relocated, too.
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Considering that California has a population of 39.5 million, and NY has 19.4 million, a net annual migration loss of 5,000 or 10,000 in each state doesn't create even the tiniest blip on their respective population radars.
 

tbeltrans said:
There are a number of other additional reasons too (at least in California), but they have to do with politics so they can't be discussed here.

Tony
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The homeless population is nearly 200,000. That's just the ones who were counted, and they didn't do a count this year because, covid. About 35% of those 200,000 souls live on the streets of LA and large numbers of them are concentrated in San Fransisco, Sacramento, and San Jose.

These large county's "solution" to the problem is to allow the homeless to erect structures of any kind on public sidewalks, beaches, and parking lots as long as they are at least 10 feet from the entryway of a business or home. Businesses are closing, people put their homes up for sale and nobody is buying. Venice Beach is unrecognizable and tourism there is non-existent.
 
StarSong said:
Exactly.


Considering that California has a population of 39.5 million, and NY has 19.4 million, a net annual migration loss of 5,000 or 10,000 in each state doesn't create even the tiniest blip on their respective population radars.
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When large corporations leave, along with their wealthy CEOs, so does a large tax source. We'll be feeling the ripples soon enough.
 
tbeltrans said:
If I were to live in California again, I think Irvine would be a decent area to live in. I always liked it there.

Back in 1970 when I left for the Army, my problem was not with politics, but instead that when I was going into the 5th grade, we moved from the Bay area down to the San Fernando Valley and I just never liked, nor adjusted to, the culture of the area. I just wanted to get out of that area one way or another. From my vantage point, my experience was not much different from any kid wanting new horizons and leaving the area in which he or she grew up.

I wish we had stayed up in the Bay area. Now with the cost of living (at least as publicized, which may well be overstating the case as the media seems to do), I can see why my brother, the attorney stays in that area. He seems to move between West Hollywood and Santa Monica every few years. Being a partner in a law firm in downtown LA, he has a very comfortable income as does his wife in her admin position within the LA school system.

Tony
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I would recommend northern California. Far north, up in the hills. Just be careful with matches.
 
JonDouglas said:
Just helping to make people aware of this commonly used political tactic. He wrote the book on how to radicalize (as opposed to logically approach) ideas and events. Personally, I prefer shared information, logic and reasoning and think it will serve us better than essentially street brawling on the internet. Here's a summary of Alinsky's tactics, so you can recognize them when you see them:

  1. 1 "Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."
  2. 2"Never go outside the expertise of your people."
  3. 3"Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy."
  4. 4"Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
  5. 5 "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. There is no defense. It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, who then react to your advantage."
  6. 6"A good tactic is one your people enjoy."
  7. 7 "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag."
  8. 8"Keep the pressure on."
  9. 9"The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself. "
  10. 10 "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition."
  11. 11 "If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside; this is based on the principle that every positive has its negative."
  12. 12 "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."
  13. 13"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. "
You can even see such tactics used on this forum from time to time. It tends to stifle the flow of information.
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OH!
I would run as far away from this manipulation as possible! I don't know who "Alinsky" is, but I would hate to know him!
 
Cuomo's main problems centered around women making sexual accusations and not the lockdown. Actually, I heard this morning his ratings are going back up, and a female politician, whose name I forget but who is important in Albany, has been attending his recent events and is now praising him. She had called for his resignation. Go figure.
 
This is off topic but I don't care as the subject of California is very important to me.
I'm a sixth-generation offspring of California pioneers who either came across country in covered wagons or sailed to San Francisco around Cape Horn from Boston many many moons ago. Some of them became very successful in the founding of the state. I'm just a surf bum who will soon abandon my beloved home and, although I'll miss it, California is no longer the place I grew up loving dearly.
REM wrote a great song, "I Remember California".
Dennis Dragon, son of symphony conductor Carmen Dragon, the brother of Captain & Tennille's Daryl Dragon, and his band The Surf Punks wrote a terrific line that explains it all, "Remember Malibu before Pepperdine?" (y)
 
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SetWave said:
This is off topic but I don't care as the subject of California is very important to me.
I'm a sixth-generation offspring of California pioneers who either came across country in covered wagons or sailed to San Francisco around Cape Horn from Boston many many moons ago. Some of them became very successful in the founding of the state. I'm just a surf bum who will soon abandon my beloved home and, although I'll miss it, California is no longer the place I grew up loving dearly.
REM wrote a great song, "I Remember California".
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Man, that's the truth. I grew up right here in the Sacramento area. The farm I spent my childhood on is a wasted empty field, bought by a developer back in the 70s. Not sure why development never happened but I think the state controls the land now...not sure. South side and mid-city is all gang turf now, and between those areas is Little Saigon, where hard working Vietnam immigrants' kids have formed rival gangs. That area is in decay and unsafe. And everywhere you look you see homeless encampments, garbage, and trash.
 
SetWave said:
Dennis Dragon, son of symphony conductor Carmen Dragon, the brother of Captain & Tennille's Daryl Dragon, and his band The Surf Punks wrote a terrific line that explains it all, "Remember Malibu before Pepperdine?" (y)
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That makes no sense to me. Please explain. And.................Dragon is a real last name? How :cool:
 
Murrmurr said:
Man, that's the truth. I grew up right here in the Sacramento area. The farm I spent my childhood on is a wasted empty field, bought by a developer back in the 70s. Not sure why development never happened but I think the state controls the land now...not sure. South side and mid-city is all gang turf now, and between those areas is Little Saigon, where hard working Vietnam immigrants' kids have formed rival gangs. That area is in decay and unsafe. And everywhere you look you see homeless encampments, garbage, and trash.
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My growing up years were spent (sequentially) in two small towns on the east coast. They were a hundred miles apart, but both within commuting distance of Manhattan. Neither has any resemblance to the no-traffic-lights towns I remember. They've mushroomed in population and development, as have many areas of this country that lie within 75 miles of a large city.

My grandparents often bemoaned the loss of a "country feel" of the Brooklyn, NY they grew up in.
 
digifoss said:
If someone is happy where they are, like you are in CA, they should stay and enjoy. If anyone is unhappy where they are, they should consider how moving would affect their lives. If they believe they would be better of elsewhere, they should look around.
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I'm miserable where I live now and am prepared to look elsewhere because I no longer even see a future here.
 
To get back to the subject.....we must bear in mind that this situation has never happened before, so politicians were not sure how to deal with it.
It was obvious that with global travel and different viruses, it would happen at some point and so we should have been prepared. Another case of....we'll deal with it when it happens.
One thing that has become clear....there are an alarming number of people who are unable to take responsibility for themselves. They can't even blow their own noses without instructions.
 
Rosemarie said:
To get back to the subject.....we must bear in mind that this situation has never happened before, so politicians were not sure how to deal with it.
It was obvious that with global travel and different viruses, it would happen at some point and so we should have been prepared. Another case of....we'll deal with it when it happens.
One thing that has become clear....there are an alarming number of people who are unable to take responsibility for themselves. They can't even blow their own noses without instructions.
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True we never had a lock down before, but we've seen coronavirus before...with SARS and MERS, for example. And there was HIV a decade or 2 before that.
 
I rode past a busy playground today, noting that nobody was wearing masks - not the kids, not the adults. Personally, I think it's good thing, as the jeopardy has been overblown and it's time to get back to normal. We now know, with some certainty, that covid deaths were grossly overcounted.
 
JonDouglas said:
I rode past a busy playground today, noting that nobody was wearing masks - not the kids, not the adults. Personally, I think it's good thing, as the jeopardy has been overblown and it's time to get back to normal. We now know, with some certainty, that covid deaths were grossly overcounted.
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I saw the opposite mostly and it makes life so sad in my state to see everyone masked and that terrified of this virus. I live in one of those states where the restrictions are so severe a person is barely alive, but it's nothing compared to what they are trying to set up for us via a vaccine passport. That would mean the end of freedom in America forever. This is such a terrifying time. I thought I was enlightened. I thought I was educated.

But the conspiracy theorists I used to laugh at were right. I stand with them now.
 
chic said:
I saw the opposite mostly and it makes life so sad in my state to see everyone masked and that terrified of this virus. I live in one of those states where the restrictions are so severe a person is barely alive, but it's nothing compared to what they are trying to set up for us via a vaccine passport. That would mean the end of freedom in America forever. This is such a terrifying time. I thought I was enlightened. I thought I was educated.

But the conspiracy theorists I used to laugh at were right. I stand with them now.
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As you know, one of the greatest tools available to politicians to control people is fear.
 
JonDouglas said:
As you know, one of the greatest tools available to politicians to control people is fear.
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That's exactly what they have been doing for 13 months. But what's coming is even worse because it's collusion between them and major corporations/big tech. New York already has a vaccine passport app. Yes, I'm scared but still defiant for what that is worth.
 
I am taking my grandkids to the park playground tomorrow and we won't be wearing face muzzles. Technically the mask rule is still on here but there are only a few places that enforce it like Walmart, the bank and dr office. There are some die-hard maskers here like everywhere else but their numbers are dwindling. Like the vaccine, they can stick their masks as far as I am concerned.
 
JonDouglas said:
I rode past a busy playground today, noting that nobody was wearing masks - not the kids, not the adults. Personally, I think it's good thing, as the jeopardy has been overblown and it's time to get back to normal. We now know, with some certainty, that covid deaths were grossly overcounted.
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We "know" this?
 
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