Federal Indictments of George Floyd's killers

Wow, I messed up by saying, "I'm so tired of the incongruous push that Policemen bad, persons of color good." That thought came after reading that a black man was shot and killed while committing a criminal act, and some relative of his said he (the man shot) was such a wonderful, loving person, always ready to help whomever, and the cop was a horrible person for killing him. This was not true, as was known, but the cop was still the "bad" guy.
I don't remember if it was on this forum, or another when I wrote of a terrifying dream I once had. I and two young black men were running for our lives through woods from a racist group of white men set to hang us. It was horrifying. I woke before we were caught, but the dream gave me a taste of what it must have been like for black men ages back.
 

StarSong said:
What exactly are you questioning? That plenty of White people get away with violent behavior? Or that there's a difference between committing a crime and being charged/convicted for it.
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You're entire post ........ But in particular "White people not only get away with violent crimes - they don't even get arrested."
 
Oh, I definitely would include social services (welfare, foster care, etc.) and schools to be what they already are, meaning in the system, systemic @Murrmurr
 

Nathan said:
The mindset is prevalent among many many Whites, who have never given a moment's thought to what it would be like to be poor, especially as a result of 400+ years of racism.
My fishing partner/neighbor is a retired correctional officer- he recently made comment that Blacks commit more crime, that's why there's more of them in prison. I knew that nothing I could say would reach past his blinders.
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Tell your pal that it has been conclusively proven by numerous studies that blacks do not commit more crimes. That selective enforcement of the law by cops against blacks the problem. University of Minnesota pioneered studies on this.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
Tell your pal that it has been conclusively proven by numerous studies that blacks do not commit more crimes. That selective enforcement of the law by cops against blacks the problem. University of Minnesota pioneered studies on this.
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It's really not selective enforcement of the law, due to the fact harassment of blacks is the basis, not that any law was actually violated.
 
ohioboy said:
It's really not selective enforcement of the law, due to the fact harassment of blacks is the basis, not that any law was actually violated.
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This matter has been discussed on a daily basis here in Minnesota from every angle imaginable. One thing that has been overlooked, but widely discussed here, is the fact that Floyd should NOT have been arrested in the first place. That it was never established that he knowingly used a counterfeit bill. That on that basis, there was no valid reason for arresting him in the first place. That based on all this, the cashier who called the police openly admitted that he should NOT have called the police and have him arrested. Finally, that had Floyd been white he would never have been arrested.

Outside of the Twin Cities it is not generally well known that we have had problems with counterfeit bills in circulation since the early 1990s. Back then a group of highly clever organized criminals passed phony money that had the appearance of authenticity. Many people (including a white neighbor of mine, now deceased) got their hands on these bills. My neighbor got one and attempted to make a purchase. The cashier rejected the bill and gave it back. My neighbor paid the fare with another bill. He managed to get the fake bill exchanged (probably at a bank but I don't recall for certain). No one called the police on my neighbor. He was not arrested. There were no other consequences.

Had Floyd been white, this is precisely what would have happened. The cashier openly admitted that he should not have called the police as no one ever established that Floyd thought or knew he was using phony money or committing any type of crime. Floyd, like so many others, are targeted by cops because they are black. That remains a fact whether anyone chooses to believe it or not.




Google on selective enforcement of the law:

https://www.google.com/search?q=sel...rome..69i57.7947j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
 
I understand what you mean by SE, just as in SE of Prosecutions. I believe at one time Hustler boy Larry Flynt plead such when prosecuted.

The police had reason to conduct an investigatory stop on Floyd, then they found out he had a Warrant out on him, right?
 
I have reviewed the video numerous times and see no manifestation of a warrant. Please produce a photo to show that they attempted to execute a valid warrant on him.
 
ohioboy said:
They did not have it on them, but in the database.
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The following shows the last warrant for his arrest was in 2007 in Texas:

https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/06/12/george-floyd-criminal-record/


The record shows that he served his time and had a clean record since 2013. In fact the article shows,


We Don’t Know If MPD Officers Knew of Floyd’s Past Arrests and Incarcerations​


''MPD spokespeople did not respond to Snopes’ questions about the officers’ prior knowledge of Floyd before the call from the convenience store, nor did the department answer whether officers in general adjust their responses to 911 calls, or how they approach suspects, based on the criminal records of people involved.''


All references are to Harris County, Texas. None are regarding Hennepin County, Minnesota. Again, I see no reference to any crime or outstanding warrant in Hennepin or Ramsey County.
 
fmdog44 said:
George Floyd was a jobless drug pusher and user, a convicted criminal.
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His record was clean from 2013 onward.

Compare that to Saul of Tarsus who was a convicted mass murderer. History does not record how many people he killed or whose lives he destroyed. None the less, he was forgiven for his errors. Today he is known as St Paul.
 
Butterfly said:
So therefore it is OK for cops to kill him in the street? Exactly where in the Constitution does it say that alleged "bad" people lose all their constitutional protections?
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Even school students have in house Constitutional rights, e.g. the TLO case.
 
StarSong said:
I don't have evidence because it's almost impossible to prove a negative. I admit to only knowing this anecdotally.
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Show me {Us}. ........... I can & will argue it based merely on the evening news . But there are, stats that argue/prove it listed in this thread.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
Tell your pal that it has been conclusively proven by numerous studies that blacks do not commit more crimes. That selective enforcement of the law by cops against blacks the problem. University of Minnesota pioneered studies on this.
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That's absolute BS.

The FBI Uniform Crime Report, which is much more reliable than any academic study, shows that blacks commit crimes overall at about twice the rate of the white population.

For violent crimes, it's nearly FOUR TIMES the rate. That's 13 percent of the population committing over 50 percent of the homicides and robberies.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43

Any good liberal academic (and there are no academics any more who are not liberal) can distort or ignore statistics to reach a desired conclusion. But look at the nightly news. There are thousands of murders committed each year in big cities. These aren't white folks killing each other.

One of the most insane outcomes of the whole debate about police violence is that we are ignoring these crimes. There is a lot of concern about the thousand or so people killed by police each year (usually in armed encounters btw) but silence about the thousands of murders perpetrated (mostly by young black and Hispanic males) upon their own communities.

Perhaps you can explain to me how "selective enforcement" leads to such a high murder rate in so many American cities.
 
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Calling Floyd's record "clean" is a bit of a stretch as well. He was full of drugs at the time of his arrest. And he had been arrested the year before in remarkably similar circumstances.
 
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oldiebutgoody said:
His record was clean from 2013 onward.

Compare that to Saul of Tarsus who was a convicted mass murderer. History does not record how many people he killed or whose lives he destroyed. None the less, he was forgiven for his errors. Today he is known as St Paul.
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Comparing George Floyd to St. Paul might be a bit of a stretch.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
This matter has been discussed on a daily basis here in Minnesota from every angle imaginable. One thing that has been overlooked, but widely discussed here, is the fact that Floyd should NOT have been arrested in the first place. That it was never established that he knowingly used a counterfeit bill. That on that basis, there was no valid reason for arresting him in the first place. That based on all this, the cashier who called the police openly admitted that he should NOT have called the police and have him arrested. Finally, that had Floyd been white he would never have been arrested.

Outside of the Twin Cities it is not generally well known that we have had problems with counterfeit bills in circulation since the early 1990s. Back then a group of highly clever organized criminals passed phony money that had the appearance of authenticity. Many people (including a white neighbor of mine, now deceased) got their hands on these bills. My neighbor got one and attempted to make a purchase. The cashier rejected the bill and gave it back. My neighbor paid the fare with another bill. He managed to get the fake bill exchanged (probably at a bank but I don't recall for certain). No one called the police on my neighbor. He was not arrested. There were no other consequences.

Had Floyd been white, this is precisely what would have happened. The cashier openly admitted that he should not have called the police as no one ever established that Floyd thought or knew he was using phony money or committing any type of crime. Floyd, like so many others, are targeted by cops because they are black. That remains a fact whether anyone chooses to believe it or not.




Google on selective enforcement of the law:

https://www.google.com/search?q=sel...rome..69i57.7947j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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Thank you for the links and for providing a great deal more context about the circumstances leading up to George Floyd's encounter with the police.

Your words rang true - the many times I worked in jobs that involved handling money - including my own small business, suspicious bills were handed back, just as you said. We didn't involve the police.
 
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JimBob1952 said:
Comparing George Floyd to St. Paul might be a bit of a stretch.
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True, Floyd wasn't the mass murderer Paul was, that's for sure.

The apostle certainly wouldn't approve of confining people into the ghettoes, imposing racialist policies that keep people poor and that promote drugs or other hazards which kill. Redlining has a tendency to do such things such as promoting gangs. "The War on Drugs is the root cause of the significant increase in violent crime ... Princeton Sociology Professor Douglas Massey argues that the perpetual cycle of inner-city black violence is unlikely to end as long as high levels of black segregation continue to exist in central metropolitan areas. He "links high rates of black crime to two features of U.S. urban society: high rates of black poverty and high levels of black segregation."

A. The Disproportionate Rate of Violent Black Offenders is Caused By Systemic Racism - Page 2 - Page #1



It's the old story of injustice leading to disorder or, as it says in the Bible, no justice, no peace ~ Isaiah 59:8.
 

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