The Inevitable Take Over Of Taiwan By China.

fmdog44 said:
I just read an article of the coming threat of China's pledge/destiny to rule all of the Asian continent with eyes set on Taiwan and how difficult the odds are of an American victory over China in their backyard. I have to agree we have no chance of a shooting war with China and this country would never support such an effort. WWI & II & Viet Nam and Iraq were not in favor of American involvement with the exception of the attack on Pearl Harbor and even after 911 the Iraq War was viewed as a hopeless blunder. The only solution to stopping China is a united effort by all Asian countries to stop their concept of expansion.
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The Chinese do not view this as expansion since Taiwan's population is Chinese. It's the equivalent of South Carolina claiming the right of secession in 1860 while the government refused to recognize that declaration.
 
oldiebutgoody said:
The Chinese do not view this as expansion since Taiwan's population is Chinese. It's the equivalent of South Carolina claiming the right of secession in 1860 while the government refused to recognize that declaration.
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I believe fmdog44 meant expansion into all of Asia, not Taiwan specifically.

We and most of our allies have already vowed military support and protection to all Asian countries that the CCP has its eyes on. I don't think China will do much more than make threatening gestures. I think they believe their military threats are a brilliant distraction while they work on reunifying and expanding through less obvious means.
 
Murrmurr said:
I believe fmdog44 meant expansion into all of Asia, not Taiwan specifically.

We and most of our allies have already vowed military support and protection to all Asian countries that the CCP has its eyes on. I don't think China will do much more than make threatening gestures. I think they believe their military threats are a brilliant distraction while they work on reunifying and expanding through less obvious means.
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Poor forgotten Tibet which isn't even Tibetan anymore as the Chinese basically colonized it & deported and/or outnumbered native Tibetans.
 
Murrmurr said:
I believe fmdog44 meant expansion into all of Asia, not Taiwan specifically.

We and most of our allies have already vowed military support and protection to all Asian countries that the CCP has its eyes on. I don't think China will do much more than make threatening gestures. I think they believe their military threats are a brilliant distraction while they work on reunifying and expanding through less obvious means.
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For decades we have been hearing rumors that China was about to conquer Asia but such myths only serve to guarantee government contracts for the military industrial complex. Beijing has many allies all over the continent including Cambodia, Iraq, Kuwait, North Korea, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and much of Eastern Europe including Turkey. It has other allies world wide. The only country in the world that has launched foreign invasions, deposed democratically elected governments, killed hundreds of thousands of innocents, and ruthlessly exploited conquered lands is the USA.
 
Clearly, China is planning to take over the entire area. Hong Kong is now, in effect, a part of the Chinese mainland. The South China Sea is being inundated with Chinese man-made islands. It’s only a matter of time until they go after Taiwan. I figure they’ll finish what they’re doing in the South China Sea and then set their sights on Taiwan.

I don’t see that any coalition in that area will do much of anything; if they were going to stand up to China, they’d already have done so over the South China Sea. Russia seems to be looking for confrontation involving the West, not China; so, there’s probably going to be no help there. And the U.S. and Europe certainly are not going to get into a shooting war with China over Taiwan; I believe that would be the only way we might possibly make a difference as China seems to be pretty much oblivious to diplomatic and economic dealings from the West.
 
Hong Kong always was a part of China until the British imperialists decided to impose a mandatory loan of that land mass via a lease that expired a few years ago. Hong Kong like Taiwan are, always have been, and always will be part of China.
The government is only claiming what is rightfully theirs just like the USA did with South Carolina and the rest of the secessionists in the 1860s.
 
True, Oldie, Hong Kong was always a part of China. However, there's a treaty that's supposed to have lasted much longer than it did. So, in my opinion, China has taken over what it wasn't their legal right to take over at this time.
 
I think an important question needs to be asked - is the US prepared to go to war with China over Taiwan? I sincerely hope not.
 
And the opium wars and the whole bit, Oldie. However, we're not talking here about how Britain got control of Hong Kong, but rather about how it's relinquished that control.

"In 1984, the U.K. and China signed the Sino-British Joint Declaration outlining their plan for Hong Kong.

"This declaration stipulated that Hong Kong would become a part of China on July 1, 1997, but that the 'current social and economic systems' and 'life-style' in Hong Kong would remain the same for 50 years. In this 'one country, two systems' arrangement, Hong Kong would continue operating in a capitalist economy, and residents would continue to have rights to speech, press, assembly and religious belief, among others—at least until 2047."

https://www.history.com/news/hong-kong-china-great-britain
 
I've replied to you, Oldie. However, for some reason, my reply is awaiting moderator approval. Hopefully, you'll get to see my quotations and citation.
 
Dancing_Queen said:
True, Oldie, Hong Kong was always a part of China. However, there's a treaty that's supposed to have lasted much longer than it did. So, in my opinion, China has taken over what it wasn't their legal right to take over at this time.
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Hong Kong didn't want a CCP takeover. There's horrible things happening to the people of Hong Kong now.
 
mellowyellow said:
I think an important question needs to be asked - is the US prepared to go to war with China over Taiwan? I sincerely hope not.
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Exactly. The USA has no special interest there at all so there is no reason to be involved. We have enough problems in the USA with the police created holocaust in our streets. Let's solve problems like those here at home first before we become involved internationally.
 
I don't believe the U.S. is prepared to go to war with anyone at this point. We're getting out of Afghanistan and haven't gone into places like the eastern part of Ukraine even though we were signatories to the Budapest Memorandum:

"In the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, the United States, Russia, and Britain committed 'to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine' and 'to refrain from the threat or use of force' against the country. Those assurances played a key role in persuading the Ukrainian government in Kyiv to give up what amounted to the world’s third largest nuclear arsenal, consisting of some 1,900 strategic nuclear warheads."

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/orde...re-about-ukraine-and-the-budapest-memorandum/
 
Dancing_Queen said:
Could you please explain your statement about South Carolina and Washington, D.C., Oldie?
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The people of the state of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the federal government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the states, fully justified this state in then withdrawing from the federal Union
 
Dancing_Queen said:
I don't believe the U.S. is prepared to go to war with anyone at this point. We're getting out of Afghanistan and haven't gone into places like the eastern part of Ukraine even though we were signatories to the Budapest Memorandum:

"In the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, the United States, Russia, and Britain committed 'to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine' and 'to refrain from the threat or use of force' against the country. Those assurances played a key role in persuading the Ukrainian government in Kyiv to give up what amounted to the world’s third largest nuclear arsenal, consisting of some 1,900 strategic nuclear warheads."

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/orde...re-about-ukraine-and-the-budapest-memorandum/
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We are prepared, but we'd rather not. We will if we have to; if Taiwan requests military support. The US and Britain already have ships there and more en route. We've sent diplomats and a military advisor to Taiwan and plan to send a higher ranking military advisor very soon.
 
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