Mass Murderers. Mental Health Care Needs Help Without the Gov't. Stop Wasting Time Talking Guns. Fix These People Before it Happens

Lara

Lara

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What do these murderers all have in common? Mental health.
This thread is not about guns but about preventative treatment and care.

So let's use creative thinking and figure out a way to make a change
without the government.
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From left to right: Manson, recent Road Rage, Colorado Theater Mass Murder, Sandy Hook Elementary Mass Murder

Attention all you people with assets in the multi-billions.....
The Government isn't going to do anything...most of our mental facilities were closed a decade ago

1. What can we do to fix our Mental Healthcare Facilities that are seriously understaffed, underpaid, overworked, unfunded...total failures?

2. How can we start to make good use of Mainstream Media for a change? For educating our country on what is really going on, what we're lacking, and what we can all do together without the government's help...because they aren't


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Lara said:
What do these murderers all have in common? Crazy eyes. Mental health issues.
If they didn't have a gun do you think that would stop them?
No, they'd get a knife, an ax, a rope, a pillow, poison, a match...
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From left to right: Manson, recent Road Rage, Colorado Theater Mass Murder, Sandy Hook Elementary Mass Murder

Attention all you people with assets in the multi-billions.....
The Government is going to do anything...most of our mental facilities were closed a decade ago

Fix our Mental Healthcare Facilities that are seriously understaffed, underpaid, overworked, unfunded...total failures
Start making Good Use of Mainstream Media for a change to Educate our country on what is really going on.

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This would probably become a political thread so no comment
 
Aneeda72 said:
This would probably become a political thread so no comment
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Only if you make it that. Thank you for "not commenting".

This thread is about Mental illness and what to do about it.
How can we help so many struggling?
Forget the government. They're not helping.


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Lara said:
What do these murderers all have in common? Crazy eyes. Mental health issues.
If they didn't have a gun do you think that would stop them?
No, they'd get a knife, an ax, a rope, a pillow, poison, a match...
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From left to right: Manson, recent Road Rage, Colorado Theater Mass Murder, Sandy Hook Elementary Mass Murder

Attention all you people with assets in the multi-billions.....
The Government is going to do anything...most of our mental facilities were closed a decade ago

Fix our Mental Healthcare Facilities that are seriously understaffed, underpaid, overworked, unfunded...total failures
Start making Good Use of Mainstream Media for a change to Educate our country on what is really going on.

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''Care in the community''...that's what it's called here. No more mental institutions ( as they were called) for these types as there was when I was a kid ..
 
Be careful...

Be sure to check out reviews of the facilities in your area...it may not be as good as you think. Use Yelp, Google Reviews, or other reputable sites for reviews. And make sure you are reading the real reviews and not the sponsors reviews.

There is a mental health facility in NC that has an impressive website but if you check out the reviews you would be appalled.

Website: https://hollyhillhospital.com/ .....looks really professional and helpful doesn't it...Not. See reviews:

Reviews: https://www.yelp.com/biz/holly-hill-hospital-raleigh-3
(Not the top 3 reviews!!...they are from sponsors of the place. Scroll down to the real reviews where it gets REAL)
 
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Then they need to be kept away from society on a deserted island with like kind.
Treated humanely on the island because they can't help their illness...but far away from, say, the 27 child victims of Sandy Hook Elementary.

Let them sun themselves on the beach, food and books dropped in. Build a basketball court, golf course, tennis courts. Whatever it takes to keep them away from society. Prison won't help them. Each morning they are somehow given their meds so they don't kill each other.

I know. That would be a real shot in the dark but we sure have a lot of deserted islands around the globe.
 
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There are four pictures of murders, and you know they have mental issues, because they have "crazy eyes". I don't want to make snap judgements, but you have to admit, "crazy eyes" is not exactly a 100% indicator of one's mental status. And people, who commit wanton murder, whether sane or not, should not be allowed on the street. So how are we supposed to know who get shipped off to "Phantasy Island", if they won't open their eyes?
 
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I just saw a Court Cam episode where a guy sadistically murdered a person and got life in a mental institution not prison. I don't know what state it was in but I never knew life in a mental institution was ever given out as a sentence for a crime.
 
win231 said:
The reality: these people can't be fixed. The only fix for this situation is to keep them confined permanently to protect everyone else from them.
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This is a loaded reply but the truth is, for some it is the truth.

That said, mental health care in the United States is horrible. If it's not making some corporation money. No one seems to care.
 
Too many people, friends, relatives, businesses, employers, etc., don't pay much attention to mental health issues. Up until maybe 15 years ago, many employer sponsored healthcare plans hardly paid towards people needing professional psychiatric help. It had to get better.

The other issue is getting the people that need help to go get it. Usually we don't know who the sick people are until after they commit these terrible offenses. Usually, there are signs of a mental imbalance, but unless someone has been trained to recognize the signs, the sick person goes untreated, until he/she snaps.
 
a) We need better treatment of the mentally ill. But no one knows how to do it or how to pay for it. Or what that better treatment really is.

b) We need better-written, better-enforced laws that prevent mentally ill people (among others) from buying or owning firearms.

c) If we want to cut down on the incidence and lethality of mass shootings, however, the only thing that might work would be a national ban
on semi-automatic weapons, both rifles and pistols.

Of course c) will never happen, so it's not worth discussing.
 
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...The other issue is getting the people that need help to go get it. Usually we don't know who the sick people are until after they commit these terrible offenses. Usually, there are signs of a mental imbalance, but unless someone has been trained to recognize the signs, the sick person goes untreated, until he/she snaps.
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Yes, there is a facility in Cary NC called Monarch. There have ridiculously strict privacy policies in place where only the mentally sick individual can fill out the questionnaire given...but since mentally ill people don't know their mentally ill, then the answers given appear to not be a mental health issue and are turned away.

For instance, if the question is "Do you think you are a threat to yourself or anyone around you" they will answer no. They may blame others and fabricate truth. And of course no information is shared with anyone who knows the person is mentally ill.
 
Sorry @JimBob1952 and @Ruthanne ....again, this thread is not about "gun laws" nor "owning firearms" nor banning them.
You can find that discussed ad-nauseam in other threads. Forget the govenrment. They aren't helping.

This thread is strictly about mental illness that leads up to mass murder. How to stop it before it gets to that. There are some ideas being discussed above starting with Holly's post #5
 
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Ok. So how do you propose to solve the problem of mental illness that leads up to mass murder? Especially without getting the government involved.
 
Ruthanne said:
But if gun laws were better they wouldn't be able to get them.
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I think you mean that if purchasing guns was harder, i.e., if background checks were more comprehensive. One drawback with background checks is that mental illness can show up later in life and/or go un-diagnosed. And people who were diagnosed with mental health disorders and then considered "cured" (particularly young people) can request their mental health records be expunged for reasons of social stigma.

That aside, people can steal guns and buy stolen guns. Too many law-abiding gun owners don't know or don't keep a record of their firearm's serial numbers, so they don't have it when they report their gun stolen to police. And some don't properly secure their firearms at home to prevent theft.
 
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Ok. So how do you propose to solve the problem of mental illness that leads up to mass murder? Especially without getting the government involved.
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IMO, the government is grossly ill-equipped to tackle problems of mental illness. One thing we can do is insist they become equipped, but effectively rather than in their usual cavalier fashion.
 


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