What Does Atheism Mean To You?

SifuPhil

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I'm on a socio-political forum that deals with some hot-button issues, but one of the hottest seems to be the war between religious and non-religious debaters.


Of course it's the 'Net, where anonymity almost guarantees rudeness and stupidity, but still - even gun control and right-to-life don't seem to become as heated as the religious discussions.

One of the worst (best?) debates I was witness to lately was the reciprocal trashing taking place between a devout Christian and a dyed-in-the-wool atheist. What I noticed, beside of course the colorful language, was the often totally wrong "facts" being spewed out by both sides. I put this down to, variously, stubbornness, misinformation and bear-baiting.

How about YOU folks? Whether you're a religious person, a non-religious person or something in-between, what does the term "atheist" mean to you?
 
Great topic, SP! I would say and atheist basically believes in the non-existence of any sort of higher power; God. An atheist believes only in here today gone tomorrow existence.
 
Great topic, SP! I would say and atheist basically believes in the non-existence of any sort of higher power; God. An atheist believes only in here today gone tomorrow existence.

I knew I could count on you to get the ball rolling - thanks, bro!

Your definition is pretty good. You might want to expand on the "non-existence" part, just to CYA, since that's the cause of a lot of the verbal sparring ... ;)
 
12-step programs say you must make someone/something your higher power, even if it just your refrigerator. But, whatever you choose that's your business and no one else's. Personally I think that's a good idea. This is probably another subject left for discussion at a later date, say 50 or 100 years from now.
 
I would say someone who believes more in science and/or evolution instead of a Creator?? I do believe in God and the creation, etc., but tho I like a debate, let others believe as they wish.

Agnostics?? I can see how one could come to that conclusion, as there is no tangible "proof" that any god exists.
 
12-step programs say you must make someone/something your higher power, even if it just your refrigerator. But, whatever you choose that's your business and no one else's. Personally I think that's a good idea. This is probably another subject left for discussion at a later date, say 50 or 100 years from now.

Interesting that the Twelve Steps uses "a power greater than ourselves", but the accompanying Twelve Traditions actually uses the word "God".

Also interesting are the ties between AA and The Oxford Group, a Fundamentalist Christian group founded 15 years before AA and used as a model for it.

Therefore, not surprising that a reference to a higher power is included in the Steps.



I don't really believe in putting off until tomorrow what can be discussed today. If there is no discussion today, there may BE no tomorrow. ;)


I would say someone who believes more in science and/or evolution instead of a Creator?? I do believe in God and the creation, etc., but tho I like a debate, let others believe as they wish.

Also a very good point.

Agnostics?? I can see how one could come to that conclusion, as there is no tangible "proof" that any god exists.

That brings up what I think is an important idea. Just as Christians come in all different flavors so too do atheists. Agnostic, from the Greek "without knowledge",
is technically not a belief system at all but a principle - "follow your reason as far as it takes you".

Yet you can be an agnostic atheist - one who believes there is no higher power but is not certain; a gnostic atheist, one who not only believes but knows there is no higher power; an implicit atheist, one who merely lacks belief, or an explicit atheist, who affirms there are no gods; broad and narrow atheists, who deny all or only the Western conception of God, and many, many more sub-categories of atheism.
 
I always thought that Atheists believed that no God or supreme being existed. And Agnostics believed there was a God or supreme being, not necessarily the Gods they describe in various religions. I never was a very religious person, but I always felt that everyone had the right to believe whatever they wanted or felt, that was their choice. What bugs me is the folks who do feel the need to argue, and talk people over to their side or religion.
 
... What bugs me is the folks who do feel the need to argue, and talk people over to their side or religion.

That's where I draw the line as well. What's the old saying - "Your rights end where mine begin"? If everyone followed that dictum I think we'd have a much easier time of it.

Unfortunately many do not.
 
An Atheist does not believe in the God of Abraham.

Most people argue that atheists believe in no gods, but I beg to differ.

When people in our society hear the word "God" they understand that to mean "the God of Abraham", the God of Jews, Christians, and Muslims. They do not think of Greek pantheon or Nordic gods.

Based on that common definition of "God", pagan practitioners of Wicca, ceremonial magicians, Buddhists, Hindus and others are also atheists.
 
An atheist simply does not believe in any gods.That's it. An atheist does not believe any physical being or beings did or could have created the universe.

MercyL you have misinterpreted the definition of god. You are basing you're definition according to your religious beliefs. Anyone who believes that there exists a being with higher power than humankind believes in a god or gods. Those with such beliefs are not atheists.
 
An atheist simply does not believe in any gods.That's it. An atheist does not believe any physical being or beings did or could have created the universe.

MercyL you have misinterpreted the definition of god. You are basing you're definition according to your religious beliefs. Anyone who believes that there exists a being with higher power than humankind believes in a god or gods. Those with such beliefs are not atheists.

The question asks for a personal definition:

"What Does Atheism Mean To You?"

It doesn't ask for a "standardized" definition. My answer is based on my own observations.

What other gods pop into mind when people hear the word "god"? How many other gods are active in the Western psyche? What days are set aside for Diana and Artemis? Is Diwali a public holiday celebrated in the USA?
 
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What other gods pop into mind when people hear the word "god"? How many other gods are active in the Western psyche? What days are set aside for Diana and Artemis? Is Diwali a public holiday celebrated in the USA?

What pops in mind when you hear the word god, I imagine, would depend on where in the world you are and what god or gods you may believe in. All I'm saying is that anyone who believes in a god, any god, is not by any definition an atheist
 
I don't think it's just God, a god or goddesses - I think it's any "supernatural being or force". That could cover the Abrahamic God, certainly, but also Greek, Roman, Chinese, Persian, Hindu, Japanese ... it covers the Flying Spaghetti Monster and the Alien Creation beliefs ... anything that attempts to explain creation, life and death outside of a humanistic perspective might reasonably be called "theistic" and therefore those who do NOT subscribe to such beliefs would be atheists.
 
It is like you said, Sifu, there is no EXACT definition of an atheist, just as there is no perfect description of one who believes in God, and Divine Creation. There are probably as many variables in beliefs as there are people, we all look at the information available, and come to our own conclusions.
To me, an atheist is one who simply looks to nature for explanations, does not believe in an afterlife, and thinks that this whole universe simply came into existence on its own, and that humans are just a different species of animal.

My personal thought is that most people from all over the world, believed in some kind of a deity, at least up until our modern age, when science started making big strides, and pretty much put forth the idea that God is just a myth, believed in by illiterate races, and that the world has been evolving for all these millions of years.

I don't know what is the actual reality of what we call "God", but I do believe that more exists than just the godless reality of the atheist. Having grown up as a Christian, it is hard to try to break out of the box, and really define what I believe as reality and truth, but I try to keep an open mind, and at least listen to what others have to say about God.
 
Happyflowlady made a good point, there are as many grades of atheists as their are religious believers. Some more zealous than others.

What atheism means to me? No more than what's for dinner tonight. My life doesn't revolve around it. I don't givva what others believe as long as they don't inflict their belief on me and complicate my life. That is the only thing that will trigger a reaction from me on the subject hotter than mild amusement.

I live a normal life with a clear conscience without the need of supervision from supernatural beings and can't really understand those who can't. But that's their problem, not mine.
I don't remember ever being anything other than an atheist, as a child I never managed to distinguish the difference between religious fables and fairy tales. They were all the same to me. I do remember being amazed to find that others actually believe that one or the other was real. My poor mother wasted many hours reading me Bible tales etc but her time was wasted other than for entertainment value.

I don't need to either believe in gods or not to live quite successfully, and kindly, and can well do without the hassle and stress some seem to burden themselves with by worrying about what their future will be after death. Why care? We can't control that, those who think that a ticket to paradise can be bought by prayer or any other means are forgetting the creatures that haven't the means to do that, so where do they think all the good dogs go? :(

I've been good too. Will I go to whatever notion they have of Hell because I didn't waste precious hours grovelling for special treatment? Nope, don't think so. I'll just degrade back into the atoms that formed me, and that will eventually recombine in different form to 'be' something else . I won't care what happens after I die because the neurons that allow me to think anything at all will be dead too. Many can't cope with the thought that the Universe can't get along without them being around in some supernatural form. News flash, the Universe got along very will before we were born and will do so long after we're gone and won't even notice that we ever existed at all.

The more scientifc stuff I read the more confused I get that people choose to believe in legends passed down from millenia ago when nothing was known of how things really work and refuse, or neglect, to understand the Universal processes that explain life (and the whole damned thing.)

I skim the skeptics forums sometimes for the entertainment of watching people fight over their religion with the atheists who have also turned their atheism into a kind of religion. C'mon. What you believe is your personal choice, depending on how you are wired. If anyone knows someone who was made to see God, or left religion entirely because they were convinced by an argument they read on a forum could you please post a link? It must have been one hell of a post. ;)

I can understand the religiously inclined defending their faith, that's how religion gears them to react, but I will never understand why atheists get heated about the subject. What are they defending exactly? Their choice to remain free of supernatural influence? Do these people realise that the results revealing who was right and wrong will never be posted? If the Religious are right then none of them have come back to tell us the score. Atheists don't believe there's anything after death and if they're right then... pfft. No scoreboard there either.:cool:

I find atheism perfectly normal and scientific explanations satisfying, but I wouldn't try to coax a believer into abandoning a belief that is important to their well being even though I don't understand it. They obviously need to believe that someone is in charge, and who am I to attempt to deprive them of that comforting thought?

As is evident, I am more than slightly contemptuous of organized religions, but more toward those who are orchestrating the rituals, than of the individual followers. I would be, and am, equally contemptuous of those who treat atheism as a religion to be fought for. It isn't.
It's, to me anyway, merely an acceptance of things how they really are, just part of an unimaginably huge Universe doing what it does. Stars live and die, do they go to heaven? It just doesn't work that way. Living at all is a lottery winning experience, on the Universal scale. That's enough for me. Sad that many aren't satifisified with that amount of luck and want more. Or worse, believe that they deserve more.
 
Just came across the best (wry) solution I've seen in a while on a religion/atheism dilemna. Wasn't a stoush, just skeptics discussing the finer points of some article about morality that they'd found... this bit cracked me up.

Philosophical differences about morality, among different kinds of theologians, are minimal, as far as I know. But attempts to impose morality are not very successful. Why is it so? What can be done to improve the situation, to bring our reality a little closer to "utopia" dreams?

answer:

Better drugs.
 
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people". -- Karl Marx
 
I am weary of the endless arguments between atheists and Christians. I have been both in my time and I regard such arguments as being very immature and simplistic, on both sides. They represent two faces of fundamentalism as far as I am concerned. Diwundrin speaks a more sophisticated point of view.

When I was a vociferous atheist I was more than a little bit in awe of science in general and the physical sciences in particular. I also thought that the greatest attribute a human can possess is intelligence and this idea was very pleasing to me because I was told, and believed, that I was rather bright. I see myself reflected in a lot of younger professed atheists in my own family.

The question was, "what does atheism mean to you ?", and I will answer thus -

On a simple level it meant a rejection of any notion of a higher power anywhere in the universe although there was a window that would allow for a more intelligent species somewhere in space or the future. But no god or gods.

The consequence of this rejection was that I stood alone with regard to my personal morality. I was my own judge and I found myself to be a very harsh and unforgiving one. I could forgive others for not being perfect, but not myself. My transgressions against my own moral code weighed very heavily on my conscience and the weight never lifted. The end result is a deep feeling of inner unworthiness, no matter how much others might bestow praises.

I'm not going to explain why I became a follower of Christ but it was not because I was seeking absolution. I was much too proud and stiff necked to ever humble myself in return for a salved conscience. However, with the understanding that forgiveness is there for the asking came the capacity to forgive myself for being human.

What does atheism mean to me again? I answer for me alone and for no-one else. I answer that it means emptiness. It means a hole in the psyche that cannot be filled with intelligence, or knowledge or self esteem. The hole is yearning for love and acceptance, both of which are necessary for growth and renewal of the deepest part of myself.
 
I think it was Richard Dawkins that said "Everyone is an atheist, I just believe in one god less than you do'

To me the freedom of not having to carry the burden of guilt for being human is what atheism means to me, I share no blame for what was eaten in some garden in the past, for instance. Lofty promises or threats aren't necessary for me to try to live in harmony with the people and the World around me, the desire to be socially acceptable guides me.
 
Nobody can prove either way if there is or is not
a God.

A couple of years ago in London there were ads
on the buses, put there by a non-believed I think.

Mike

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What does atheism mean to me again? I answer for me alone and for no-one else. I answer that it means emptiness. It means a hole in the psyche that cannot be filled with intelligence, or knowledge or self esteem. The hole is yearning for love and acceptance, both of which are necessary for growth and renewal of the deepest part of myself.

That really is the point,Warri, it's a purely personal thing, viewed differently by each individual. Those who need the support of others of like mind to validate their belief or lack of it are not sure what they are, or essentially what to make of it all. I've long since cared about being judged or felt the need to defend my stance on it. I really don't care enough to bother.

Unlike you I don't feel any hole in the psyche, nor the need to fill it. I don't need to settle for an imaginary (to me) friend to bestow 'love and acceptance' upon me if I don't find the 'real' thing.
I may appear to some to have something missing because I'm a somewhat pragmatic cynic who doesn't take life's quirks quite as seriously as some, nor attribute them to anything but chance, but that would have been the case regardless of my philosophical musings. I'm just wired that way. Some are wired to think I need what they need. Nup.
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