Motorcyclist pulls gun in road rage incident. His target had better aim

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WoW, I'm amazed no charges have been brought to the killer...

I realise it was self defence by all accounts, and the man had a right to defend himself and his children, and I agree on the face of it no charges should be brought .. but in the UK.. if that had happened the defender, would be immediately arrested and jailed until he faced a long drawn out court case to decide his innocence or guilt..
 
hollydolly said:
WoW, I'm amazed no charges have been brought to the killer...

I realise it was self defence by all accounts, and the man had a right to defend himself and his children, and I agree on the face of it no charges should be brought .. but in the UK.. if that had happened the defender, would be immediately arrested and jailed until he faced a long drawn out court case to decide his innocence or guilt..
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Quite so Holly, I remember a case in London, back in the early seventies, when five young thugs sought to have, "a bit of fun," with a couple of fellows, dressed as females, in a comic way. The two were off to a fancy dress party. About two minutes later, five thugs lay senseless on the ground. Moral of the tale, check to make sure that your intended victim(s) are not trained to an Olympic standard in martial arts.

What the two fellows did that was to their detriment, was to call the emergency services and stay at the scene. They were charged with causing grievous bodily harm, it went to trial and eventually the two were cleared of all charges. It made the headlines for days.
 
Buckeye said:
We need to pass stricter motorcycle laws to avoid this type of tragedy in the future..
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I agree!

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The motorcyclist was not exactly "Killed during a road rage incident." He was killed because he threatened the lives of an innocent man & his family. When the idiot biker stopped, blocked traffic & walked toward the driver with a gun in his hand, he left the driver no choice but to save his family & he did what he had to do.
There is NO law that says you have to be at the mercy of any criminal.
 
Warrigal said:
Motorcycle laws? Aren't you avoiding the bigger problem?
Both men were armed and dangerous.
How would changing the road rules overcome that problem?
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Too many motorcyclist ignore all laws especially traffic laws frequently thinking as long as they fit in a space not a passing lane they'll do it along with the speeding and aggressive in and out manuevers. There is also an issue now in many US cities anyway with scooters, dirt bikes and off road vehicle participating or being used in crime.
 
hollydolly said:
WoW, I'm amazed no charges have been brought to the killer...

I realise it was self defence by all accounts, and the man had a right to defend himself and his children, and I agree on the face of it no charges should be brought .. but in the UK.. if that had happened the defender, would be immediately arrested and jailed until he faced a long drawn out court case to decide his innocence or guilt..
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You mean on the spot? No questions asked of the defender, no field interrogation/investigation. Sounds like an unjust system to me.
 
ohioboy said:
You mean on the spot? No questions asked of the defender, no field interrogation/investigation. Sounds like an unjust system to me.
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We have the same system in place here in Canada.

I don't see it as unjust, I instead see it as a no nonsense system.

I approve of it 100%.
 
ohioboy said:
Self defense resulting in death and arrested on the spot? Why defend yourself?
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Well now, that's the difference between crime rates in certain countries when compared to others.

In our counties you are welcome to defend yourself, but you'll be staring at four walls with no windows when the law catches up to you.

As I say, I'm 100% for it.

I believe this system in our countries makes people pause and think before they act.

Having a system in place with no consequences isn't a system, and we all see how and where that goes and how it works, or maybe I should say, how it doesn't work.
 
Aunt Marg said:
Well now, that's the difference between crimes rates in certain countries when compared to others.

In our counties you are welcome to defend yourself, but you'll be staring at four walls with no windows when the law catches up to you.

As I say, I'm 100% for it.
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Scenario: Man is shooting at a cop, citizen shoots at shooter and kills him, the cop arrests the killer?
 
Warrigal said:
Because someone died and an investigation should be carried out to see whether or not the action was justified. You know, witness testimony, camera footage, and that sort of thing. Charges may not result but then again, things aren't always what they seem.
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I understand that, and commented on that legality. I was just addressing Holly's comment about being arrested "on the spot".
 
ohioboy said:
Scenario: Man is shooting at a cop, citizen shoots at shooter and kills him, the cop arrests the killer?
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Take him or her in, question them, and once the investigation is signed off on, if all points in the direction you outlined, then release them.
 
If everyone had a gun there would be no shootings, so they say. Oh. Wait a minute. Everyone did have a gun. When I was in the States a gun was "pulled on me" at a traffic red light by the driver of the car next to me. I didn't need a gun. I released the clutch and stepped on the excelerator.
 
hollydolly said:
WoW, I'm amazed no charges have been brought to the killer...

I realise it was self defence by all accounts, and the man had a right to defend himself and his children, and I agree on the face of it no charges should be brought .. but in the UK.. if that had happened the defender, would be immediately arrested and jailed until he faced a long drawn out court case to decide his innocence or guilt..
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Since it's a case of self defense with witnesses, the investigation comes before charges. The victim of the initial gun threat who had no choice but self defense is cooperating with authorities. If, at any point, investigators think it was anything more that self defense such as a staged, set-up to entrap the gun-slinging motorcycle traffic violator, it'll be taken before a grand jury. As it stands, the person who defended self and family will be free to deal with the trauma instead of a legal battle in which they're guilty until proven innocent.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/202...yclists-death-in-road-rage-shooting-on-i-35w/


Fort Worth police are continuing to investigate the fatal shooting of a motorcyclist during a road-rage incident last week.​
Police were called Friday to the 9800 block of Interstate 35W, near Basswood Boulevard, where they found the victim wounded on the road. The man, identified as 19-year-old JaDerek Gray of Bedford, was taken to a hospital, where he died from multiple gunshot wounds.​
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Gray had been splitting lanes as he drove north on the interstate, police said Tuesday, and an SUV’s driver didn’t see him while changing lanes. Gray swerved to avoid being hit, police said, then drove ahead of the SUV and parked his motorcycle — stopping traffic on the highway. Gray then walked back toward the SUV and pointed a handgun at the driver, police said.​
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The SUV’s driver told Gray to put his gun down and that he had children in his vehicle, police said, but then he pulled out his own handgun and shot Gray as he continued to approach the SUV with his gun drawn.​
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Police said the SUV’s driver, whom they did not identify, is cooperating with the investigation and has not been arrested.​
 
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ohioboy said:
I understand that, and commented on that legality. I was just addressing Holly's comment about being arrested "on the spot".
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Definitely the shooter would be arrested on the spot, and taken to the police station to undergo questioning about how and why he killed someone..

Did you expect the police to just tell him to go home and put his feet up for a while ?
 
ohioboy said:
Scenario: Man is shooting at a cop, citizen shoots at shooter and kills him, the cop arrests the killer?
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Here is a scenario of my own, Ohio.

This is an actual scenario my husband used in conversation with me just last week.

You're in a corner store, you're shopping down one of the isles when you hear, bam, bam, bam.

You draw your sidearm, make your way to the front of the store and see a man standing at the checkout with a gun in his hand, and at his feet is a dead man on the floor.

Are you going to ask the man with the gun, excuse me, Sir, did you just shoot that man? Then proceed to take the time to ask the man, why did you shoot him?

My husband said if it were him in the store, the shooter would be laying on the floor next to the dead man.

Reality tells me my husband isn't the only one that thinks the way he does.

So when the police happen upon this scene, my husband just walks off, no questions asked?
 

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