5-year-old Utah boy accidentally shoots and kills himself

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My greatest fear from gun ownership. I keep mine under lock and key, and don't have any ammo in the house. I still get nervous sometimes when the grandkids go into the basement where the guns are kept... I knew a guy in high school who accidently shot and killed his brother, it ruined several lives...
 

The parents "Did not unpack their belongings after a camping trip."
Maybe that's what happened; maybe not. Often times, idiotic parents leave guns lying around or "hidden so well, my kid will never find it." Other parents brag about how "Responsible & Mature" their kids are & they'll prove it by leaving guns in drawers. Then, when a tragedy happens, they tell the police a different story to avoid prosecution or criticism.
I've discussed this with such parents; there is no getting through to them; they have cement where their brain should be.
 

A very dear dance friend; wonderful caring person,,very responsible gun owner, accidentally discharged the shotgun he thought was unloaded,,punching through the wall and shooting his preschool grandson in the head. The boy lived for several weeks I’m a vegetative state.

My friend, many years after the event, still hasn’t gorrwm past it.
 
Ronni said:
A very dear dance friend; wonderful caring person,,very responsible gun owner, accidentally discharged the shotgun he thought was unloaded,,punching through the wall and shooting his preschool grandson in the head. The boy lived for several weeks I’m a vegetative state.

My friend, many years after the event, still hasn’t gorrwm past it.
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You are sadly mistaken - and in denial.
Your friend may be wonderful & caring, but no way on the planet earth is he a "Responsible gun owner." I'm sure you know better than that.
The first thing a responsible gun owner does when he touches a gun is check it for ammo. Not pull the trigger - which is the only way for a gun to discharge.
 
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win231 said:
The first thing a responsible gun owner does when he touches a gun is check it for ammo. Not pull the trigger - which is the only for a gun to discharge.
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You are right, of course, and that is what I always do. What worries me is that the world is full of irresponsible and stupid people, and even responsible people make mistakes on occasion.

I have known a few people who had died from gun shot, some accidently, some by their own hands, to my knowledge none at the intentional hands of others, but as you pointed out earlier we can never be sure.

I have owned guns since I was a teenager, and believe I am a responsible person, but it still makes me nervous. I am on occasion forgetful or do things impulsively... I think we all do.
 
Warrigal said:
Win, what in your opinion are the responsibilities of a civilian gun owner?
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Common sense - which isn't very common.
1. Responsible storage - which means a gun not being accessible to unauthorized persons. Much like not leaving matches where children can get to them, not allowing toddlers access to furniture polish, bleach or other chemicals they sometimes will drink, & not having an unfenced pool, which causes more tragedies than firearms.

2. I already addressed the other issue. Re-read post #5.
 
win231 said:
You are sadly mistaken - and in denial.
Your friend may be wonderful & caring, but no way on the planet earth is he a "Responsible gun owner." I'm sure you know better than that.
The first thing a responsible gun owner does when he touches a gun is check it for ammo. Not pull the trigger - which is the only for a gun to discharge.
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Sorry but some will discharge by dropping them trust me I know that first hand. My ignorance as I forgot to put the safety on a .38 cal. derringer. Missed my head by about three inches.
 
fmdog44 said:
Sorry but some will discharge by dropping them trust me I know that first hand. My ignorance as I forgot to put the safety on a .38 cal. derringer. Missed my head by about three inches.
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I don't know when your derringer was made. Some very old guns don't have firing pin safeties or drop safeties - just as old cars don't have seat belts or airbags. They are relics & should never be loaded.
No modern gun (made after the 50's) will fire when dropped.
The original single-action Colt revolvers had no firing pin block & they were supposed to be loaded with only 5 rounds with the hammer resting on an empty chamber; otherwise the firing pin would be resting on a live round & would fire if the hammer was impacted by anything.
 
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For a long time, I used to argue against the NRA's slogan. " Guns don't kill people. People kill people". That makes it sound like guns are these innocuous hunks of metal, while denying that they are deadly weapons. But I've come to accept that people kill people. I honestly don't believe humans are capable of having those deadly weapons at their disposal. People can't always control their emotions, passions, and in furthering their wanton schemes, having a deadly weapon in their possession leads to the inevitable. Yeah, I know, getting rid of guns won't solve all crime problems, but how many times have you read about a "drive by knifing".
 
The problem with gun ownership is (IMO) that the people who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun are those most passionate about owning guns and their gun "rights." They tend to be completely irrational and overly emotional, which make them likely to have an accident or shoot someone in a fit of rage.

A rational person might have a handgun for personal protection, but will keep it locked and out of reach of children.
 
Irwin said:
The problem with gun ownership is (IMO) that the people who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun are those most passionate about owning guns and their gun "rights." They tend to be completely irrational and overly emotional, which make them likely to have an accident or shoot someone in a fit of rage.

A rational person might have a handgun for personal protection, but will keep it locked and out of reach of children.
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Well, thank you. I've always considered myself rational. When my gun is not on me, it's here:
Fort Knox handgun safe
 
fuzzybuddy said:
For a long time, I used to argue against the NRA's slogan. " Guns don't kill people. People kill people". That makes it sound like guns are these innocuous hunks of metal, while denying that they are deadly weapons. But I've come to accept that people kill people. I honestly don't believe humans are capable of having those deadly weapons at their disposal. People can't always control their emotions, passions, and in furthering their wanton schemes, having a deadly weapon in their possession leads to the inevitable. Yeah, I know, getting rid of guns won't solve all crime problems, but how many times have you read about a "drive by knifing".
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A gun does nothing unless a human makes it do something. There are people who can't control their emotions & there are evil people in this world & they will always have access to guns; just as people who want illegal drugs will always have access to them. That is precisely why I'm a gun owner. I have no intention of being at the mercy of an evil person.
To each his own.
 
Warrigal said:
Win, what in your opinion are the responsibilities of a civilian gun owner?
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There is no real good answer. You can lock up all your guns but In big cities around here, kids 12 to 14 are getting guns off the street from friends & then go shoot another 12 to 16 year old they are mad at. We use to have the good old fistfights to settle things. Not anymore. I feel sorry for the kids nowadays.
 
Tom 86 said:
There is no real good answer. You can lock up all your guns but In big cities around here, kids 12 to 14 are getting guns off the street from friends & then go shoot another 12 to 16 year old they are mad at. We use to have the good old fistfights to settle things. Not anymore. I feel sorry for the kids nowadays.
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Yes, that's the reality of the world we live in. No one can fix everything that is wrong with the world; we can only be responsible individually.
That includes being responsible for our own safety; which I intend to be.
 
Irwin said:
The problem with gun ownership is (IMO) that the people who shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a gun are those most passionate about owning guns and their gun "rights." They tend to be completely irrational and overly emotional, which make them likely to have an accident or shoot someone in a fit of rage.

A rational person might have a handgun for personal protection, but will keep it locked and out of reach of children.
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I've always owned firearms, I consider them to be tools. Like any tool a person can be injured of handled improperly. I unload the weapons before the g-kids come to visit.
 
While at the cabin, I had my loaded .357 very handy
Too many renegades
Not counting bear/cougars and the like

Cops don't come rushing up to the mountains whenever there's a disturbance
Matter of fact, they strongly advised to have a loaded firearm at the ready at all times
Had my 12 gauge loaded too

But, that was at the cabin
No children around
When they DID visit, every gun empty/locked down

Now that we're in town
I have no real need to have anything loaded
However, I do still have my .357 loaded, but in my gun safe, in my bed stand
Keys in the adjacent drawer
No intruder is gonna get in.....and get back out
 
Guns are here and they're a man-made problem. People being irresponsible is also a man-made problem. I think that in time nature will solve all man-made problems because man-made "solutions"don't seem to solve much of anything.

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win231 said:
The parents "Did not unpack their belongings after a camping trip."
Maybe that's what happened; maybe not. Often times, idiotic parents leave guns lying around or "hidden so well, my kid will never find it." Other parents brag about how "Responsible & Mature" their kids are & they'll prove it by leaving guns in drawers. Then, when a tragedy happens, they tell the police a different story to avoid prosecution or criticism.
I've discussed this with such parents; there is no getting through to them; they have cement where their brain should be.
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When we were kids most kids in households with guns, would not dream of violating the no touch rule. My parents actually made sure we knew the kind of damage that could be done. (i watched the head of a water moccasin that was barely 18 inches from me 'explode' when my Mom shot it, i was maybe 2 1/2---really made me cautious of the things.) The rules in our house: Kids don't touch guns unless adult asks them to bring it then gun in one hand, ammo in other AND more importantly treat any/every gun as if loaded even if you unloaded it yourself--just safer. It's similar in homes of my rural neighbors today.
Oh, yeah they have lots of excuses, and often local police and prosecutors are prone to not charging them when the damage is confined to the immediate family saying 'Oh, they've suffered enough.' Personally, i think the only that might get thru to such parents is if more of them faced some kind of responsibility (negligent homicide or manslaughter charges) no matter who shot whom.
 
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I suspect y'all replying to this are responsible gun owners, not the kind I would worry about. The problem is there are others, who do worry me.

I grew up in Florida and we got a lot of people we called hobos wintering in the area, today I guess we'd call them homeless. When I was about 12 years old there was a lady who lived in the woods in a makeshift lean-to. She had a 22 rifle that she let us play with and use. My friends and I did a lot of stupid things, like firing it underwater and with sticks in the barrel. And we did not know or think about gun safety. We were lucky and no one got hurt, but we were just lucky. My father was a very responsible gun owner, and would have been horrified knowing what we were doing, but he never found out. He did teach me gun safety, but that came later, he believed I was too young to handle a gun... He was probably right, but he could not control things like this.

I don't know how in a free society you can keep guns away from people like this lady, but they do exist.
 
Alligatorob said:
I suspect y'all replying to this are responsible gun owners, not the kind I would worry about. The problem is there are others, who do worry me.

I grew up in Florida and we got a lot of people we called hobos wintering in the area, today I guess we'd call them homeless. When I was about 12 years old there was a lady who lived in the woods in a makeshift lean-to. She had a 22 rifle that she let us play with and use. My friends and I did a lot of stupid things, like firing it underwater and with sticks in the barrel. And we did not know or think about gun safety. We were lucky and no one got hurt, but we were just lucky. My father was a very responsible gun owner, and would have been horrified knowing what we were doing, but he never found out. He did teach me gun safety, but that came later, he believed I was too young to handle a gun... He was probably right, but he could not control things like this.

I don't know how in a free society you can keep guns away from people like this lady, but they do exist.
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There is really no activity where there are no people to worry about. This happened yesterday: (3 young people killed when 2 other cars street race.) Crash was so violent, one car was torn in half. And one young victim's body was found in a tree.

https://abc7.com/burbank-crash-fatal-hospitalized/10929257/
 

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