The Science - autopsies from covid-19 vaccinations

John cycling said:
Ryan Cole, M.D. - "Covid-19 Vaccines and Autopsy" <--

Scientific Truth - as opposed to vaccination controlled media fear mongering propaganda.

Watch this, and decide for yourself.
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I normally don't click on links but felt the need to click on that one... sooooo glad I did. WOW!!!!!!!! GREAT INFO. We need more Doctors like him to speak up and speak out...WOW!!!! Bottom line "They don't know". Thank you John for sharing.
 
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Murrmurr said:
It amazes me that no one has been doing autopsies on patients dying post-vaccine. I just assumed that 10% of them (at the very least) were being autopsied. 25% would be reasonable.
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In OZ an autopsy is only required for a suspicious death, or if someone dies without having been seen by a doctor for 6 months prior to death. Otherwise all that is required is for a doctor to certify the cause of death. If the doctor is uncertain, then an autopsy is requested.

How many covid patients dying in hospital would be required to be autopsied? How many coroners would want to be dissecting covid infected cases unnecessarily ?
 
Don M. said:
Ryan Cole, M.D....another "expert" who is prolonging the spread of this virus, by preaching to the gullible....most likely for his personal financial gain.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/s...ess-claims-about-safety-of-covid-19-vaccines/

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/l...ouse/277-28e346f7-dd40-4dfc-9cbe-d8edbf576c34
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Thanks Don! So many people get sucked into believing this misinformation and conspiracy from online sources. Many of these 'doctors' who spread these lies are encouraging people not to act responsibly and take the vaccine.

Social media is a big reason that we're in the sad state with this pandemic that we are. If people could do some research on their own, they could tell what sources are reputable and which ones are just doing harm. Good that you posted that information, to remain silent makes the misinformation appear to be more truthful.
 
Warrigal said:
In OZ an autopsy is only required for a suspicious death, or if someone dies without having been seen by a doctor for 6 months prior to death. Otherwise all that is required is for a doctor to certify the cause of death. If the doctor is uncertain, then an autopsy is requested.

How many covid patients dying in hospital would be required to be autopsied? How many coroners would want to be dissecting covid infected cases unnecessarily ?
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Since the covid vaccine is new and technically experimental, I assumed doctors and scientists would want to investigate the cause of ALL post-vaccine deaths. I wouldn't consider any autopsies unnecessary, they would be a tool for understanding and improving the vaccine.
 
Don M. said:
Ryan Cole, M.D....another "expert" who is prolonging the spread of this virus, by preaching to the gullible....most likely for his personal financial gain.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/s...ess-claims-about-safety-of-covid-19-vaccines/

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/l...ouse/277-28e346f7-dd40-4dfc-9cbe-d8edbf576c34
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“no scientific evidence has confirmed that these concerns are real.”

Equally there is no scientific evidence to disprove that those concerns are are not real.
 
SeaBreeze said:
Thanks Don! So many people get sucked into believing this misinformation and conspiracy from online sources. Many of these 'doctors' who spread these lies are encouraging people not to act responsibly and take the vaccine.

Social media is a big reason that we're in the sad state with this pandemic that we are. If people could do some research on their own, they could tell what sources are reputable and which ones are just doing harm. Good that you posted that information, to remain silent makes the misinformation appear to be more truthful.
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And shutting people up or discouraging another point of view or whatever is equally harmful. But it's happening a lot lately.
 
Murrmurr said:
Since the covid vaccine is new and technically experimental, I assumed doctors and scientists would want to investigate the cause of ALL post-vaccine deaths. I wouldn't consider any autopsies unnecessary, they would be a tool for understanding and improving the vaccine.
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I think doctors and scientists are running flat out right now and people don't want to wait any longer than necessary to bury their dead. Besides, you need the permission to perform autopsies that are not mandated by law.

I don't know the law in US but my dad did have to have an autopsy when he died suddenly from a heart attack. He died at home, there was no doctor present to sign the death certificate and he hadn't seen his doctor for more than six months. Our permission was not required. Coroners are mostly concerned to establish whether there is anything suspicious about the death. If there is, they may call for a coronial enquiry. Then the police may become involved looking for someone to charge with murder, homicide or any other appropriate charge.
 
Warrigal said:
I think doctors and scientists are running flat out right now and people don't want to wait any longer than necessary to bury their dead. Besides, you need the permission to perform autopsies that are not mandated by law.

I don't know the law in US but my dad did have to have an autopsy when he died suddenly from a heart attack. He died at home, there was no doctor present to sign the death certificate and he hadn't seen his doctor for more than six months. Our permission was not required. Coroners are mostly concerned to establish whether there is anything suspicious about the death. If there is, they may call for a coronial enquiry. Then the police may become involved looking for someone to charge with murder, homicide or any other appropriate charge.
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We had to wait a month to bury my mother, whose death was attributed to covid. Doctors and coroners can request special permission to perform investigative autopsies, particularly during a national health emergency.
 
Murrmurr said:
And shutting people up or discouraging another point of view or whatever is equally harmful. But it's happening a lot lately.
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I'm not shutting anyone up, but with the situation we are in with the hospitals overflowing and Americans dying, I appreciate when falsehoods and misinformation are called out for what they are.

We have nurses right here on this forum who are fighting constantly, physically, mentally and emotionally drained from taking care of Covid patients in their hospitals and many times being by their sides as they died from the virus. Their loved ones are suffering along with them.

People who exaggerate facts to oppose coronavirus vaccinations, masks, etc., are just promoting the spread of the virus. The Delta variant has made it all the more serious to get vaccinated and try to curb the spread. Over 600,000 dead, front line workers exhausted, hospitals full, it's just making a tragedy even worse, IMO. We'll never get a grip on this virus at the rate we're going. :(
 
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SeaBreeze said:
I'm not shutting anyone up, but with the situation we are in with the hospitals overflowing and Americans dying, I appreciate when falsehoods and misinformation are called out for what they are.

We have nurses right here on this forum who are fighting constantly, physically, mentally and emotionally drained from taking care of Covid patients in their hospitals and many times being by their sides as they died from the virus. Their loved ones are suffering along with them.

People who exaggerate facts to oppose coronavirus vaccinations, masks, etc., and just promoting the spread of the virus. The Delta variant has made it all the more serious to get vaccinated and try to curb the spread. Over 600,000 dead, front line workers exhausted, hospitals full, it's just making a tragedy even worse, IMO. We'll never get a grip on this virus at the rate we're going. :(
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Speaking of exaggeration, where are them meat trucks to store excess bodies? 😊
 
When the refrigerated trucks were lined up outside hospitals because the morgues were full, there was no vaccine available and no-one had any immunity to the novel corona virus. Now there are a number of different vaccines on offer and the major part of the population has been fully or partially immunised. Could that be why the refrigerated trucks are not necessary this time round?
 
SeaBreeze said:
I'm not shutting anyone up, but with the situation we are in with the hospitals overflowing and Americans dying, I appreciate when falsehoods and misinformation are called out for what they are.

We have nurses right here on this forum who are fighting constantly, physically, mentally and emotionally drained from taking care of Covid patients in their hospitals and many times being by their sides as they died from the virus. Their loved ones are suffering along with them.

People who exaggerate facts to oppose coronavirus vaccinations, masks, etc., are just promoting the spread of the virus. The Delta variant has made it all the more serious to get vaccinated and try to curb the spread. Over 600,000 dead, front line workers exhausted, hospitals full, it's just making a tragedy even worse, IMO. We'll never get a grip on this virus at the rate we're going. :(
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What did Dr. Cory, the guy in the video, exaggerate? What falsehoods did you catch?
 
Warrigal said:
When the refrigerated trucks were lined up outside hospitals because the morgues were full, there was no vaccine available and no-one had any immunity to the novel corona virus. Now there are a number of different vaccines on offer and the major part of the population has been fully or partially immunised. Could that be why the refrigerated trucks are not necessary this time round?
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Nice try, but desperate. "cuz, you see......(as I posted previously), a day or two after that B.S. report, I took 2 elderly friends to the ER. No meat trucks, no crowded ER & no patients on gurneys in hallways. Just several bored doctors standing around chatting.
A few days later, my sister went to the ER for a UTI. I asked her how long she had to wait to be seen. She said, "I was expecting a crowded hospital, but there were 2 people in the waiting room & nothing but empty rooms."
I said, "Well, with all those meat trucks in the parking lot, it musta been difficult to find parking." :ROFLMAO:

But hey......it was that miracle vaccine that didn't exist yet. The virus knew it was coming & was frightened.
 
I've heard about this Dr. Cole a long time ago, I did not watch that video. This is from one of Don's links about things he says. I have no interest in hearing this nonsense, there are many others out there just like him.

In the March 4 video, Cole makes claims suggesting that federal agencies have acted nefariously, as well as claims that undermine vaccines and promise miracle treatments.


We’ll address his four main claims.


  • Although there is no evidence to support this, Cole suggested that some of the COVID-19 vaccines could cause cancer or autoimmune diseases.
  • Again, without evidence, Cole suggested that the federal government withheld a treatment for COVID-19 in order to “vend” a vaccine.
  • Studies haven’t proved that ivermectin is effective in treating COVID-19, but Cole claimed that federal agencies “have suppressed this life-saving medication.”
  • Cole said public health officials should encourage people to take vitamin D supplements rather than wear masks or stay physically distant from others.
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John cycling said:
Ryan Cole, M.D. - "Covid-19 Vaccines and Autopsy" <--

Scientific Truth - as opposed to vaccination controlled media fear mongering propaganda.

Watch this, and decide for yourself.
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Lack of autopsies has been a running issue in the US. Especially when one dies in a hospital

https://www.propublica.org/article/without-autopsies-hospitals-bury-their-mistakes

Not being used to or equiped for autopsies on a large scale or regular basis I can see covid autopsies lagging. Researchers or for research are probably the only reason many are being done.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I've heard about this Dr. Cole a long time ago, I did not watch that video. This is from one of Don's links about things he says. I have no interest in hearing this nonsense, there are many others out there just like him.
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There isn't one iota of nonsense in that video, SeaBreeze. In essence he is saying we could learn about and improve upon the current vaccine if we did investigative autopsies on those who have died after receiving it. I agree.

I'm quite aware of the smear campaign against Dr. Cole, an anatomic and clinical pathologist trained at the Mayo Clinic, whose personal experiences and fact-based, professional opinions could effect Pfiezer's bottom-line.
 
Murrmurr said:
There isn't one iota of nonsense in that video, SeaBreeze. In essence he is saying we could learn about and improve upon the current vaccine if we did investigative autopsies on those who have died after receiving it. I agree.

I'm quite aware of the smear campaign against Dr. Cole, an anatomic and clinical pathologist trained at the Mayo Clinic, whose personal experiences and fact-based, professional opinions could effect Pfiezer's bottom-line.
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Actually, any medical professional who says anything negative about the Covid vaccine will affect the manufacturer's bottom line. And would also likely affect theirs as well.
 
WhatInThe said:
Lack of autopsies has been a running issue in the US. Especially when one dies in a hospital

https://www.propublica.org/article/without-autopsies-hospitals-bury-their-mistakes

Not being used to or equiped for autopsies on a large scale or regular basis I can see covid autopsies lagging. Researchers or for research are probably the only reason many are being done.
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Crime and corpse identity, of course, would be other reasons.

There's no excuse for any lag, imo. It's simply not being done....laziness? Cost vs profit? Just not caring? idk. As far as I know, all medical universities are equipped to perform autopsies, and many states have at least one.
 

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