The Science - autopsies from covid-19 vaccinations

SeaBreeze said:
Thanks Don! So many people get sucked into believing this misinformation and conspiracy from online sources. Many of these 'doctors' who spread these lies are encouraging people not to act responsibly and take the vaccine.
Social media is a big reason that we're in the sad state with this pandemic that we are. If people could do some research on their own, they could tell what sources are reputable and which ones are just doing harm. Good that you posted that information, to remain silent makes the misinformation appear to be more truthful.
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This forum is the Best for Seniors, IMO. Most who visit here are responsible individuals, often looking for advise from others who have experienced some issues. As such, it is important that we keep this forum free from misleading misinformation posted from extremist web sites, IMO. Besides, when such misinformation IS posted, it is usually fairly easy to find honest "rebuttal".
 

win231 said:
Speaking of exaggeration, where are them meat trucks to store excess bodies? 😊
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You cannot seem to understand that only a very few places in the US got to that extreme. You have said your local news said your hospital was at that point (no links ever provided to substantiate that assertion), but the only places I remember seeing needing makeshift morgues were at the beginning of the pandemic in NYC, NOLA and later in the year during El Paso's worst peak.

It's a thing you really, really like to talk about though which is odd.
 
Don M. said:
This forum is the Best for Seniors, IMO. Most who visit here are responsible individuals, often looking for advise from others who have experienced some issues. As such, it is important that we keep this forum free from misleading misinformation posted from extremist web sites, IMO. Besides, when such misinformation IS posted, it is usually fairly easy to find honest "rebuttal".
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It's up to the individual to decide what information is misleading or not. It's not up to you or others who want to sensor information.
 
Becky1951 said:
The CDC is losing its reputation of reputable information.
I used to trust that site, not now.
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That's the thing information is changing sometimes literally on the CDC and other sites.

Just have to look at things like who is speaking/writing(are they a doctor or scientist because they are different things). If a study scan study for misc variables. If multiple sources start picking up the same story there might be something to it. Most information will have to gathered in bits and pieces there is no one source or article. Example article titled 'All you need to know'-no, yes there might be something there. Information is a work in progress now a days
 
AnnieA said:
You cannot seem to understand that only a very few places in the US got to that extreme. You have said your local news said your hospital was at that point (no links ever provided to substantiate that assertion), but the only places I remember seeing needing makeshift morgues were at the beginning of the pandemic in NYC, NOLA and later in the year during El Paso's worst peak.

It's a thing you really, really like to talk about though which is odd.
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You really, really like to keep your head in the sand, which is odd.
 
Devi said:
Yes. If we're going to start censoring here at the Senior Forums, that wouldn't work for me.
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Exposing the lies and misinformation surround this virus and the vaccines is NOT censorship. Instead, it is a attempt to limit this Internet BS that seems to be influencing so many and allowing this virus to continue to spread.

We, and the entire global population, are in a crisis that will only continue to get worse if the vast majority don't take full advantage of the measures already proven to aid in the control of this disease.

If exposing these lies makes me a "censor", I plead guilty....however, I have concerns for my family and friends, and I Will Not sit idly by, and do nothing.
 
From what I have read, developing a vaccine for the Coronavirus didn't just begin in 2019, but more than ten years ago. A group of doctors formed a consortium to put their money together to do the groundwork, experiments and testing, which according to them, the vaccine was able to be delivered in under a year. Most of us, if not all, thought the scientists started from scratch developing the vaccine, but now it appears that maybe it was already in the making over ten years ago.

According to one of the doctors in the consortium, if more people knew or were made aware that the vaccine for coronaviruses has been an ongoing venture for over a decade now, maybe vaccine hesitancy would be less than what it is. Take a look:

Coronaviruses Vaccine
 
Don M. said:
Exposing the lies and misinformation surround this virus and the vaccines is NOT censorship. Instead, it is a attempt to limit this Internet BS that seems to be influencing so many and allowing this virus to continue to spread.

We, and the entire global population, are in a crisis that will only continue to get worse if the vast majority don't take full advantage of the measures already proven to aid in the control of this disease.

If exposing these lies makes me a "censor", I plead guilty....however, I have concerns for my family and friends, and I Will Not sit idly by, and do nothing.
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Well said!
 
Murrmurr said:
It amazes me that no one has been doing autopsies on patients dying post-vaccine. I just assumed that 10% of them (at the very least) were being autopsied. 25% would be reasonable.
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An Autopsy might remove some of the uncertainties surrounding this virus. However, to perform a full autopsy requires 6 to 8 hours, and the results can take anywhere from 2 days to 6 weeks.

Given the small number of vaccinated, who have died, I suspect that an autopsy would show that most of those already had some underlying condition that aggravated their contracting the virus.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/cov...n-hospitalized-or-died-after-vaccination.html
 
win231 said:
You really, really like to keep your head in the sand, which is odd.
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Prove me wrong with sources that there were widespread, national reports of "meat trucks." As I've said, only a few places needed makeshift morgues. I know NOLA did because of medical personnel friends there. I can easily find out about El Paso from a LEO friend there if you'd like.

As for it being widespread across the nation or falsely reported at the specific hospitals the week you said you visited, the burden of proof is on you. Or you can reply with another of your meaningless, intellectually lazy insults that serve only to make you look a myopic fool. There's no easy position on this subject...no one side. You can neither blanket believe nor discount things you hear from bureaucrats or news sources. It takes digging, comparative analysis and it's very helpful to know those on the frontlines in real life.
 
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AnnieA said:
You cannot seem to understand that only a very few places in the US got to that extreme. You have said your local news said your hospital was at that point (no links ever provided to substantiate that assertion), but the only places I remember seeing needing makeshift morgues were at the beginning of the pandemic in NYC, NOLA and later in the year during El Paso's worst peak.

It's a thing you really, really like to talk about though which is odd.
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I remember reading the various news outlets, seemingly all news outlets reporting the refrigerated trucks/trailers brought in to be used as temporary morgues. First NY then N/O then Texas. Pictures of them, pictures of workers putting body bags in them. I never doubted it to be true. Still don't.

But still believe in the right to choose and freedom of posting articles without censorship.
 
AnnieA said:
Prove me wrong with sources that there were widespread, national reports of "meat trucks." As I've said, only a few places needed makeshift morgues. I know NOLA did because of medical personnel friends there. I can easily find out about El Paso from a LEO friend there if you'd like.

As for it being widespread across the nation or falsely reported at the specific hospitals the week you said you visited, the burden of proof is on you. Or you can reply with another of your meaningless, intellectually lazy insults that serve only to make you look a myopic fool. There's no easy position on this subject...no one side. You can neither blanket believe nor discount things you hear from bureaucrats or news sources. It takes digging, comparative analysis and it's very helpful to know those on the frontlines in real life.
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Annie, there were. The parking lot morgues and so-called meat trucks were happening in eastern states, but they were headline news here in Sacramento, Calif for weeks. And while the reports did name the hospitals where it was happening, it caused people here to stop going to our local hospital ER with emergencies and to cancel doctor appointments, elective surgeries and therapies and stuff. People panicked, and during the panic our hospital parking lots looked deserted. A free-lance journalist here finally did a story about it and people calmed down.

I can't prove this because these were mostly televised reports. The newspapers didn't sensationalize it as much as television news did.
 
Murrmurr said:
Annie, there were. The parking lot morgues and so-called meat trucks were happening in eastern states, but they were headline news here in Sacramento, Calif for weeks. And while the reports did name the hospitals were it was happening, it caused people here to stop going to our local hospital ER with emergencies and to cancel doctor appointments, elective surgeries and therapies and stuff. People panicked, and during the panic our hospital parking lots looked deserted. A free-lance journalist here finally did a story about it and people calmed down.

I can't prove this because these were mostly televised reports. The newspapers didn't sensationalize it as much as television news did.
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Not surprised that other places with peaks did, but the big three I remember making national news were NOLA, NYC and El Paso. In addition to people people staying away from hospitals out of panic, in many places last year, elective procedures were postponed for months. Our local hospital actually laid off a lot of staff who weren't ER, respiratory therapy or critical care trained for several months. ICU staff were overwhelmed, but there wasn't much else for regular floor and support staff to do. Parking lots were near empty during that time.
 
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AnnieA said:
Prove me wrong with sources that there were widespread, national reports of "meat trucks." As I've said, only a few places needed makeshift morgues. I know NOLA did because of medical personnel friends there. I can easily find out about El Paso from a LEO friend there if you'd like.

As for it being widespread across the nation or falsely reported at the specific hospitals the week you said you visited, the burden of proof is on you. Or you can reply with another of your meaningless, intellectually lazy insults that serve only to make you look a myopic fool. There's no easy position on this subject...no one side. You can neither blanket believe nor discount things you hear from bureaucrats or news sources. It takes digging, comparative analysis and it's very helpful to know those on the frontlines in real life.
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Yeah.......I must have made it all up. But give me a break, 'cuz I'm not as intellectually developed as you. :ROFLMAO:
 
Don M. said:
An Autopsy might remove some of the uncertainties surrounding this virus. However, to perform a full autopsy requires 6 to 8 hours, and the results can take anywhere from 2 days to 6 weeks.

Given the small number of vaccinated, who have died, I suspect that an autopsy would show that most of those already had some underlying condition that aggravated their contracting the virus.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/cov...n-hospitalized-or-died-after-vaccination.html
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What you suspect vs what doctors and scientists could discover. ...
 
oldman said:
From what I have read, developing a vaccine for the Coronavirus didn't just begin in 2019, but more than ten years ago. A group of doctors formed a consortium to put their money together to do the groundwork, experiments and testing, which according to them, the vaccine was able to be delivered in under a year. Most of us, if not all, thought the scientists started from scratch developing the vaccine, but now it appears that maybe it was already in the making over ten years ago.

According to one of the doctors in the consortium, if more people knew or were made aware that the vaccine for coronaviruses has been an ongoing venture for over a decade now, maybe vaccine hesitancy would be less than what it is. Take a look:

Coronaviruses Vaccine
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That's true. They started working on a vaccine during the spread of SARS/MERS coronaviruses. The controversy at the time was the use of a synthetic RNA. Scientists were concerned about its the long-term effects and they were trying to figure out how to test that when they were only allowed to use rats at the time. I don't know if they ever got the go-ahead to use pigs. They wanted to. (I might look that up)
 

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