The Science - autopsies from covid-19 vaccinations

Warrigal said:
No, the reason why booster shots are necessary (or will be in Australia because we got off to a slow start with vaccinating en masse) is that the human immune system is strongest immediately after vaccination or recovery from infection. Over time it diminishes and re-infection can occur. We have boosters for serious diseases like polio in children, for tetanus as adults and in our old age for influenza and pneumonia. Covid is a serious illness and boosters are a good idea. This is how community health programs work to protect the general community as well as protecting individuals. It is not a conspiracy by evil people.
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I am sure when people got the vaccine, they had NO idea they would be getting a booster shot. Just saying.
 

Brookswood said:
No. The booster is recommended because the Delta variant is far more contagious than the previous versions of the disease. But, even without the 'booster, the vaccine still is powerful protection. See below:
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So why is the booster shot being pushed if the vaccine is so powerful? I don't look at charts, to me they don't tell the real story... that's just me.
 
Ladybj said:
So why is the booster shot being pushed if the vaccine is so powerful? I don't look at charts, to me they don't tell the real story... that's just me.
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Charts are visual representations of actual data. Charts can be misleading but most are honest representations. If data from all around the world is telling the same story then the story is very likely to be true.
 
Ladybj said:
I am sure when people got the vaccine, they had NO idea they would be getting a booster shot.
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I think most of us did know. Regular boosters or new vaccines are pretty much par for the course with a virus of this kind. It mutates and changes and the vaccines become less effective without some kind of booster. Like our annual flu shots.
 
After watching the news on how many were dying (globally) from this virus, it was a "no brainer" to get vaccinated. A booster will probably be available this fall for the Moderna vaccine...which we got....and we Will get it. A day or so of very minor arm pain is Far better than the alternatives. The way this virus is mutating and spreading....mostly among the unvaccinated....I expect that annual boosters will become a reality.
 
Warrigal said:
Because the same picture is appearing in other countries. Every day in Australia we are up dated with how many new cases have been detected, how many are hospitalised, how many in intensive care and how many have died. For the deaths we are also told the age range, vaccination status and whether there were underlying health issues.

Day by day, the picture is the same - vaccinated people are many times less likely to die from Covid and also less likely to end up on a ventilator.
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Yes, & those refrigerated meat trucks to store bodies in hospital parking lots also keep filling up & they've had to call in more meat trucks.
Don't try to find those trucks; they're all invisible.
And our former president was cured of Covid in 3 days with that miracle experimental drug that was immediately approved......and not given to anyone else.
 
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Warrigal said:
When the refrigerated trucks were lined up outside hospitals because the morgues were full, there was no vaccine available and no-one had any immunity to the novel corona virus. Now there are a number of different vaccines on offer and the major part of the population has been fully or partially immunised. Could that be why the refrigerated trucks are not necessary this time round?
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Uh.......no. If that was true, & the vaccines & boosters worked, why do they keep reporting hospitals overflowing with Covid patients?
You see, when something doesn't make sense, it isn't true.
 
win231 said:
Uh.......no. If that was true, & the vaccines & boosters worked, why do they keep reporting hospitals overflowing with Covid patients?
You see, when something doesn't make sense, it isn't true.
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97% Of People Entering Hospitals For COVID-19 Are Unvaccinated

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/16/1017...ering-hospitals-for-covid-19-are-unvaccinated

Kaiser Permanente says this latest COVID surge among the unvaccinated is sending more patients to its hospital.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...s-are-impacting-non-covid-patients/ar-AAOhshZ

Many more examples of unvaccinated available but no reason to put more than two.
Vaccinations are still a choice so whatever an individual feels is right for themselves go for it. What doesn't make sense is the denial that there is a difference in vaccinated & unvaccinated cases.
My choice was to be vaccinated.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I'm not shutting anyone up, but with the situation we are in with the hospitals overflowing and Americans dying, I appreciate when falsehoods and misinformation are called out for what they are.

We have nurses right here on this forum who are fighting constantly, physically, mentally and emotionally drained from taking care of Covid patients in their hospitals and many times being by their sides as they died from the virus. Their loved ones are suffering along with them.

People who exaggerate facts to oppose coronavirus vaccinations, masks, etc., are just promoting the spread of the virus. The Delta variant has made it all the more serious to get vaccinated and try to curb the spread. Over 600,000 dead, front line workers exhausted, hospitals full, it's just making a tragedy even worse, IMO. We'll never get a grip on this virus at the rate we're going. :(
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The vaccine is a toxin that has killed people. And the toxic vaccine will be debilitating and killing for many more years. Covid is not going away. Deciding to take the vaccine is damn if you do and damn if you don’t. I will never take the vaccine. Like playing Russian Roulette.
 
Knight said:
97% Of People Entering Hospitals For COVID-19 Are Unvaccinated

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/16/1017...ering-hospitals-for-covid-19-are-unvaccinated

Kaiser Permanente says this latest COVID surge among the unvaccinated is sending more patients to its hospital.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...s-are-impacting-non-covid-patients/ar-AAOhshZ

Many more examples of unvaccinated available but no reason to put more than two.
Vaccinations are still a choice so whatever an individual feels is right for themselves go for it. What doesn't make sense is the denial that there is a difference in vaccinated & unvaccinated cases.
My choice was to be vaccinated.
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No one is faulting you for your choice as long as you're not trying to convince others to make the same choice or ridiculing others who don't make the same choice you made.
Kaiser Permanente will report whatever they want to report or whatever they're told to report to sell vaccines. Same with any drug advertising.
 
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Ladybj said:
I truly do not believe all those people died of Covid. I have heard sooo many case where people died and it was listed as Covid which it was not... A nurse even admitted the hospitals were doing that. SOOOOOO SAD.
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so they are fudging the numbers .that borders on criminal .we've been in a make believe health crisis for 1 1/2 years
 
suds00 said:
so they are fudging the numbers .that borders on criminal .we've been in a make believe health crisis for 1 1/2 years
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It's not quite that simple. You're probably not aware that with science/medicine, there is quite a bit of leeway when diagnosing & reporting illness & cause of death. I noted that when I read my father's death certificate after he died of a fall at age 88. According to Kaiser's explanation, "A fatty embolism probably traveled from his hip that was cracked in the fall & traveled to his heart, lung, or brain causing his death."
His death certificate listed Heart Disease & Prostate Cancer as the cause of death. He had no heart issues & his Prostate Cancer had been dormant with no treatment needed for 25 years (verified by his doctor during several visits I drove him to).
 
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suds00 said:
so they are fudging the numbers .that borders on criminal .we've been in a make believe health crisis for 1 1/2 years
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Your problem is that you have an "All or nothing" mindset. Either we believe everything we're told 100%, without question, or we believe nothing we're told.
I doubt anyone would believe there is no such thing as Covid.
 
My husband is a Fire Commissioner and trust me there is a covid epidemic. The boys have been transporting covid patients 45 minutes out toward neighboring towns in an effort to free up ICU space closer to the Houston area. Ask anyone on this forum that has had it. It is here and its real.

Of course mistakes are made and screw ups happen. That doesn't mean there isn't a serious situation in this country. Be careful though, the lie you tell yourself is the most important one.
 
Liberty said:
My husband is a Fire Commissioner and trust me there is a covid epidemic. The boys have been transporting covid patients 45 minutes out toward neighboring towns in an effort to free up ICU space closer to the Houston area. Ask anyone on this forum that has had it. It is here and its real.

Of course mistakes are made and screw ups happen. That doesn't mean there isn't a serious situation in this country. Be careful though, the lie you tell yourself is the most important one.
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Big difference between a mistake/screw up & a lie.
 
Liberty said:
My husband is a Fire Commissioner and trust me there is a covid epidemic.
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How amazing it is that the top international scientists have never been able to isolate and prove
that a virus exists, and yet a fire commissioner can verify to his wife that there's a virus epidemic. :rolleyes:

What's really amazing though is that unvaccinated people who never go to doctors nor hospitals
have been filling up hospitals and dying there. So they're dying in a place where they never go. 🤣
And yet they're still alive, 😃 because I keep seeing and interacting with them every day. 😃 😍 😍
 
John cycling said:
How amazing it is that the top international scientists have never been able to isolate and prove
that a virus exists, and yet a fire commissioner can verify to his wife that there's a virus epidemic. :rolleyes:

What's really amazing though is that unvaccinated people who never go to doctors nor hospitals
have been filling up hospitals and dying there. So they're dying in a place where they never go. 🤣
And yet they're still alive, 😃 because I keep seeing and interacting with them every day. 😃 😍 😍
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John, you are living in an alternate universe.
 
Ladybj said:
So that's why vaccinated people have to get a booster shot now????
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Where I live, mostly among sane people, we are really anxious to get the booster shot, as soon as possible. Unless we are immunocompromised, we have to wait 8 months after our second shot of Pfizer. I don't think the Moderna booster is out yet.

The booster shots for any disease do exactly what the name says, they boost our immune response to a disease. What is so bad about that? Ladybj, you sound like you are terrified about receiving a shot. Even one that could save your life!

At the risk of restating the obvious, they didn't mention a booster at the beginning because nobody knew anything yet about the disease, the vaccine, whether a booster would be available or advisable, or much else about it. It was all brand new. It is ridiculous to use the newness and the amazing speed with which this life-saving vaccine was developed, as an argument against it! We should be praising the researchers to the heavens!

What are the anti-vaxxers so afraid of? Enough to take horse de-worming medicine instead? Truly mind-boggling.
 
Sunny said:
Where I live, mostly among sane people, we are really anxious to get the booster shot, as soon as possible. Unless we are immunocompromised, we have to wait 8 months after our second shot of Pfizer. I don't think the Moderna booster is out yet.

The booster shots for any disease do exactly what the name says, they boost our immune response to a disease. What is so bad about that? Ladybj, you sound like you are terrified about receiving a shot. Even one that could save your life!

At the risk of restating the obvious, they didn't mention a booster at the beginning because nobody knew anything yet about the disease, the vaccine, whether a booster would be available or advisable, or much else about it. It was all brand new. It is ridiculous to use the newness and the amazing speed with which this life-saving vaccine was developed, as an argument against it! We should be praising the researchers to the heavens!

What are the anti-vaxxers so afraid of? Enough to take horse de-worming medicine instead? Truly mind-boggling.
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I'm not vaccinated, but I'll never take horse medicine again. It tastes terrible. And I've been neighing & snorting ever since.
 
win231 said:
Your problem is that you have an "All or nothing" mindset. Either we believe everything we're told 100%, without question, or we believe nothing we're told.
I doubt anyone would believe there is no such thing as Covid.
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doesn't make much sense to me. how do you know what my 'mindset" is ?thanks for the input.
 
win231 said:
It's not quite that simple. You're probably not aware that with science/medicine, there is quite a bit of leeway when diagnosing & reporting illness & cause of death. I noted that when I read my father's death certificate after he died of a fall at age 88. According to Kaiser's explanation, "A fatty embolism probably traveled from his hip that was cracked in the fall & traveled to his heart, lung, or brain causing his death."
His death certificate listed Heart Disease & Prostate Cancer as the cause of death. He had no heart issues & his Prostate Cancer had been dormant with no treatment needed for 25 years (verified by his doctor during several visits I drove him to).
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my condolences for your loss. i know about comorbidities and the causes of death having experienced loss of family members.be well.
 

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