What are the reasons some do not wear masks or will not be vaccinated?

Becky1951 said:
Interesting. Now I'm the source of panic. :rolleyes:

"The horse died of Covid and panic." :ROFLMAO:🤪

Just because I didn't bend when you tried to break me. ;)

Sorry about your horse.
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Oh no, Becky 1951, I had no illusion that you were breakable. The horse wasn't fact. It was rhetorical. I call Straw Man here.
 

Becky1951 said:
Oh sorry. I didn't realize it was ok for you to nit pic my every word but not for me to do it.

Personally MY opinion only here is that you are hoping to this thread lock.
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Opinions are like butts. Everybody has one and it's not polite, in my opinion, to rub yours in everyone's face. Not you personally, maybe but people in general, maybe. You figure it out.
 

win231 said:
Every drug & product you mentioned (including tobacco) was endorsed & advertised by doctors who said what they were paid to say; just as with the Covid vaccine. And just as they do now with useless weight-loss and "Look & feel younger" supplements.
You'll find a doctor praising the effectiveness & safety of a product wherever the money is.
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Knight said:
Are you serious? Jay walking was a segment of the Jay Leno show that conducted interviews of everyday people that reflected on the intelligence or lack of by asking questions about current events & basic knowledge.

At the time I originally thought the responses were hilarious but soon realized how sad & lacking so many were about the world around them.
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Mr. Leno is a comedian and entertainer. I am sure that section of his show was well edited to show only the most outrageous idiots. It was entertaining. That's all it is - entertainment. My 2¢.
 
Chris P Bacon said:
Yes, I know that but a friend of mine, who isn't from Ohio takes most things very literally and I didn't feel that they'd accept any law from Ohio or any state not their own, as being a valid one. But I doo appreciate you taking the time to set me straight. You're kind to keep an eye on a fellow Buckeye! Grazie!
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Most states have similar codifications, inducing panic/disorderly conduct. Tell him to check his home state laws.
 
ohioboy said:
Most states have similar codifications, inducing panic/disorderly conduct. Tell him to check his home state laws.
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Him or her, their gender isn't important and I have no clue what pronouns they prefer. But I'm pretty certain that they'll see this. thanks again! I'm just trying tyo keep things vague at this point lest I ruffle or casue a kerfluffle of their feathers. I miss them so!
 
Do not wear mask, okay o_O
The governor or Texas has mandated that the citizens do not have to wear masks.
Many school districts are ignoring his mandate.

Today, the governor tested positive for Covid19, even though he has received the vaccine😖

Also, Texas is second in the nation with Covid 19 cases😞
 
Don M. said:
Older people, and especially those with other health issues are at increased risk from this virus....AND probably cannot tolerate the vaccines, or wearing of masks. Exceptions to the rules and recommendations Should be made for them.

The younger and healthier people have little, or no, reasons for refusing to accept vaccination and wearing masks, etc., IMO. Until the vast majority do so, this pandemic will continue to be a major problem.
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Yes, they coulda cured Covid in one day if everyone would just do the right thing, & not been so selfish, dammit! :ROFLMAO:
 
Becky1951 said:
Oh sorry. I didn't realize it was ok for you to nit pic my every word but not for me to do it.

Personally MY opinion only here is that you are hoping to this thread lock.
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So I don’t understand that “lock this thread” comment. I have been accused of that before, as well, and I consider it to be the desperate ploy of some one who is feeling Insecure about the position they have taken. But that’s is my OPINION. 😂. Someone mentions locking a thread, and, like flies on donuts, the thread gets locked. Cause who wants flies on donuts? 🤪

I do think things are getting a bit heated between certain members over a subject that really does not matter. There are plenty of Covid threads, too many. It will matter little if this thread is locked or kept open. Someone will open another one.
 
Aneeda72 said:
So I don’t understand that “lock this thread” comment. I have been accused of that before, as well, and I consider it to be the desperate ploy of some one who is feeling Insecure about the position they have taken. But that’s is my OPINION. 😂. Someone mentions locking a thread, and, like flies on donuts, the thread gets locked. Cause who wants flies on donuts? 🤪

I do think things are getting a bit heated between certain members over a subject that really does not matter. There are plenty of Covid threads, too many. It will matter little if this thread is locked or kept open. Someone will open another one.
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I have no clue how that works either but I agree, things went further than they should have. please forgive my bad judgement in expecting any semblance of a reasonable conclusion. I meant no harm but to me, a discussion means discussing ideas that are true or that can be verified and not just mudslinging or slandering with opinions and untruths. People read that the sky is falling, we' re doomed or similar things and they believe it. They in turn tell their friends and the rumors spread but not the truth. I apologize for any discomfort I may have caused you. Thanks for sharing your opinion. It's nice to be important but, speaking just for myself here now, it's more important to be NICE.
 
Becky1951 said:
My claim for the numbers are rising? Well if you start with a few and then every few days more are added then its rising numbers.

I already posted these articles in another Covid thread on Friday. The last article here is from today. These are just so far.

79 fully vaccinated died.

https://www-bostonglobe-com.cdn.amp...id-cases-vaccinated-people-is-incredibly-low/

31 fully vaccinated have died

https://fox17-com.cdn.ampproject.or...ent-says-breakthrough-case-virus-coronavirus-

CDC says roughly 4,100 people have been hospitalized or died with Covid breakthrough infections after vaccinationOr died? Can't they tell the difference?

https://www-bostonglobe-com.cdn.amp...3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

Nearly 400 people have been hospitalized and 100 have now died in Massachusetts

https://www-nbcboston-com.cdn.amppr...-cases-in-massachusetts-what-we-know/2457920/

I had already posted these in the thread "Vaccinated Cruise Ship Passengers Test Positive For Covid" on friday. #12
Health officials say 10 fully vaccinated Oregonians died of COVID-19 in July, correcting previously reported data

https://www-oregonlive-com.cdn.ampp...july-correcting-previously-reported-data.htm

159 Dead, 593 Hospitalized in Illinois Breakthrough COVID Cases

https://www-nbcchicago-com.cdn.ampp...in-illinois-breakthrough-covid-cases/2560611/

Minnesota has seen at least 5,599 breakthrough cases of COVID-19 and at least 57 deaths among fully vaccinated people

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...s-5-600-breakthrough-covid-19-cases-57-deaths
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Thank you for sharing your sources. I think its good that you read both left and right leaning media outlets

I have skimmed through your back and forth with @Chris P Bacon

To be honest, like Chris, I also panicked when I read your claim that deaths of vaccinated people are rising that's why I asked for your sources. After reading the full article, I calmed down.

FOX NEWS
The fox news (right leaning) article's story angle focused on the number of deaths among the vaccinated.

Headline: 31 FULLY UNVACCINATED PEOPLE HAVE DIED ...

But buried in the article (6th paragraph) is the more relevant news because it helps us decide whether or not to get vaccinated:

IN TENNESSEE, 96% OF ALL NEW CASES AND 96.9% OF ALL COVID DEATHS WERE UNVACCINATED.


BOSTON GLOBE
The Boston Globe (left leaning) provided a more relevant story angle.

This is their lead paragraph.

"The Department of Public Health says 0.1 percent of people in Massachusetts who have been vaccinated against the coronavirus have contracted COVID-19, a finding that highlights how important it is for people to get their shot"

If you read further down, it says THE 79 PEOPLE WHO DIED REPRESENT .0019% OF THE VACCINATED PEOPLE.

The media will skew their stories based on their political leanings. And sadly, people.tend to get their news from sources that reflect their beliefs. We have to be smarter than them. Your data are correct. But they became alarming because there was no context. And the context is, while there are vaccinated people who died, more unvaccinated people died from covid.

So i guess, what Im saying is --- Be careful. The stories you believe become your reality.
 
Jennina said:
Thank you for sharing your sources. I think its good that you read both left and right leaning media outlets

I have skimmed through your back and forth with @Chris P Bacon

To be honest, like Chris, I also panicked when I read your claim that deaths of vaccinated people are rising that's why I asked for your sources. After reading the full article, I calmed down.

FOX NEWS
The fox news (right leaning) article's story angle focused on the number of deaths among the vaccinated.

Headline: 31 FULLY UNVACCINATED PEOPLE HAVE DIED ...

But buried in the article (6th paragraph) is the more relevant news because it helps us decide whether or not to get vaccinated:

IN TENNESSEE, 96% OF ALL NEW CASES AND 96.9% OF ALL COVID DEATHS WERE UNVACCINATED.


BOSTON GLOBE
The Boston Globe (left leaning) provided a more relevant story angle.

This is their lead paragraph.

"The Department of Public Health says 0.1 percent of people in Massachusetts who have been vaccinated against the coronavirus have contracted COVID-19, a finding that highlights how important it is for people to get their shot"

If you read further down, it says THE 79 PEOPLE WHO DIED REPRESENT .0019% OF THE VACCINATED PEOPLE.

The media will skew their stories based on their political leanings. And sadly, people.tend to get their news from sources that reflect their beliefs. We have to be smarter than them. Your data are correct. But they became alarming because there was no context. And the context is, while there are vaccinated people who died, more unvaccinated people died from covid.

So i guess, what Im saying is --- Be careful. The stories you believe become your reality.
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"But they became alarming because there was no context."

That's why I always post the link to any article I post. Its up to the individual to read the article. As you will see if you take the time to look at articles I have posted in other threads, I always copy the entire article, some of the ones I posted here without the entire content is due to my already having posted them in other threads. I would have to had to search those out here back and forth and copy and paste each one. I simply did a google search instead and then copied the link with little information.

Not hiding information, not posting "I heard" and then tell what ever it is and not having a link to back it up as I have seen before. :rolleyes:

Be careful. The stories you disbelieve may become your reality.
 
Becky1951 said:
"But they became alarming because there was no context."

That's why I always post the link to any article I post. Its up to the individual to read the article. As you will see if you take the time to look at articles I have posted in other threads, I always copy the entire article, some of the ones I posted here without the entire content is due to my already having posted them in other threads. I would have to had to search those out here back and forth and copy and paste each one. I simply did a google search instead and then copied the link with little information.

Not hiding information, not posting "I heard" and then tell what ever it is and not having a link to back it up as I have seen before. :rolleyes:

Be careful. The stories you disbelieve may become your reality.
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1) You misinterpreted what I wrote.

I never accused you of hiding information. I said the article was written in such a way that the more relevant info was buried in the 6th paragraph. That was not an attack on you.

In fact your willingness to show your sources means youre not deliberately misleading people.

2) You missed the point of my message.

You highlighted accurate data (no of deaths among the vaccinated) without context. And I never interpreted it as malicious because, again. you shared your sources.

However, I did think it was either

a) You read the news haphazardly which I do a lot, just reading the headline and lead.

b) You read the whole.thing but missed the salient points and misinterpreted the whole story. That happens to me too.

And that's why I made my point on story angles using the 2 articles.

3) "Be careful. The stories you disbelieve may become your reality."

Of course! That's a corollary. If I believe the first statement, I agree with that too.

But the question is...
Having established the fact that more unvaccinated people die, between anti and pro, who's reality will get them in trouble?
 

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