Vaccine is amazingly effective!

[Jennina]

I just thing there will be terrible after affects in years to come, especially on the younger generation.........it takes years in development and approving vaccines , it’s a long process, normally about 10 to 15 years......
Just my opinion Alligatorob

I get what youre saying. I was vaccine hesitant for the very same reason you mentioned. But one day it dawned on me. Why was I more afraid of the UNKNOWN and UNFOUNDED long term negative side effects of the vaccine when I should be more afraid of the KNOWN immediate and long term side effects of Covid. It was like I was afraid of an imagined ghost in the future when there's a monster staring me in the eye in the present. So, I got vaccinated.

Do what you think is right for you. Keep searching for the info. But stay away from sources that declare war on everything else except Covid, the enemy that poses clear and present danger.

Stay healthy and safe.

 

[Devi]

I found this interesting:
Scientists: Fully vaccinated carry 251 times the Covid viral load as unvaccinated
https://www.worldtribune.com/scient...1-times-the-covid-viral-load-as-unvaccinated/

Quick snippet:
"The researchers, who detailed their findings in a paper by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, found that while the jab moderates symptoms of infection, it also allows vaccinated individuals to carry unusually high viral loads without becoming ill at first, potentially transforming them into pre-symptomatic superspreaders."

 

[ManjaroKDE]

Great reasoning, @Jennina. This is not the end of it. The residual effects of the virus will be with us for many years to come. It's been 66 years since the polio epidemic was arrested but me and others suffering from 'PPS' still have our problems . Wait till OSHA, the insurance companies and lawyers get their day in court.

 

[ManjaroKDE]

I found this interesting:
Scientists: Fully vaccinated carry 251 times the Covid viral load as unvaccinated
https://www.worldtribune.com/scient...1-times-the-covid-viral-load-as-unvaccinated/

Quick snippet:
"The researchers, who detailed their findings in a paper by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, found that while the jab moderates symptoms of infection, it also allows vaccinated individuals to carry unusually high viral loads without becoming ill at first, potentially transforming them into pre-symptomatic superspreaders."

You made the case for masking, social distancing and washing stronger, thanks.

 

[Jennina]

Maybe if we could get all of these reasons for people being hesitant or refusing to be vaccinated put on CNN as "true and factual" those people who seem to believe that whatever is reported on CNN to be lies, they'd stop believing as they currently do just because it's on CNN. Reverse psychology maybe?

That just might work.

 

[charry]

I get what youre saying. I was vaccine hesitant for the very same reason you mentioned. But one day it dawned on me. Why was I more afraid of the UNKNOWN and UNFOUNDED long term negative side effects of the vaccine when I should be more afraid of the KNOWN immediate and long term side effects of Covid. It was like I was afraid of an imagined ghost in the future when there's a monster staring me in the eye in the present. So, I got vaccinated.

Do what you think is right for you. Keep searching for the info. But stay away from sources that declare war on everything else except Covid, the enemy that poses clear and present danger.

Stay healthy and safe.

I know what is right for me jennina........ my one priority is looking/after my husband,
After that, I’m not sure....... there’s no light at the end of my tunnel I’m afraid

 

[RadishRose]

It was like I was afraid of an imagined ghost in the future when there's a monster staring me in the eye in the present.

Very well stated!

 

[Tom 86]

I just got back from my P.C. Dr. I couldn't breathe & could hardly move or do anything. My O2 was down to 84 on-finger thingie. So he immediately put me on pure O2 as he didn't want to put me in the hospital as it's full of Conav-19 people that got their shots he said. Also done a fast Conav-19 test in the office since I had Conav-19 back in May also done 4 X-rays of my lungs.

He left me with a nurse to watch that I didn't fall out of the chair. After about one hr. he came back in with a bottle of pills. ( His office is attached to the hospital & their pharmacy). He said your test came back negative again. But the way your O2 is low & not able to breathe & do anything or hardly walk, you're going back on portable O2 & these hydroxychloroquine & zinc tablets. Your X-rays show your lungs are full of junk again.

He said it looks like this Conav-19 after-effect will be with you the rest of your life. I said I want to do things, but my body won't let me. He said, well, it is what it is. So you might as well get your mindset that you are done doing anything. All because of the Conav-19 that's in your body. It will keep flaring up every so often & you will not know when.

 

[win231]

I just got back from my P.C. Dr. I couldn't breathe & could hardly move or do anything. My O2 was down to 84 on-finger thingie. So he immediately put me on pure O2 as he didn't want to put me in the hospital as it's full of Conav-19 people that got their shots he said. Also done a fast Conav-19 test in the office since I had Conav-19 back in May also done 4 X-rays of my lungs.

He left me with a nurse to watch that I didn't fall out of the chair. After about one hr. he came back in with a bottle of pills. ( His office is attached to the hospital & their pharmacy). He said your test came back negative again. But the way your O2 is low & not able to breathe & do anything or hardly walk, you're going back on portable O2 & these hydroxychloroquine & zinc tablets. Your X-rays show your lungs are full of junk again.

He said it looks like this Conav-19 after-effect will be with you the rest of your life. I said I want to do things, but my body won't let me. He said, well, it is what it is. So you might as well get your mindset that you are done doing anything. All because of the Conav-19 that's in your body. It will keep flaring up every so often & you will not know when.

^^^ A dose of reality for vaccine pushers. Especially the "Older people or those with pre-existing conditions must get the vaccine" crowd.
And the controllers who seek validation for their decision............"I got the vaccine; you should too." (to prove I made the right decision)
And the "Blame Game" fools.......... "If you don't get the vaccine, you're causing the spread."

 

[Jennina]

I found this interesting:
Scientists: Fully vaccinated carry 251 times the Covid viral load as unvaccinated
https://www.worldtribune.com/scient...1-times-the-covid-viral-load-as-unvaccinated/

Quick snippet:
"The researchers, who detailed their findings in a paper by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, found that while the jab moderates symptoms of infection, it also allows vaccinated individuals to carry unusually high viral loads without becoming ill at first, potentially transforming them into pre-symptomatic superspreaders."

I tried to check out the article in the August 10 issue of the Lancet but I can't seem to find it.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/issue/vol394no10197/PIIS0140-6736(19)X0033-1

Then I checked the political bias of World Tribune. Media Bias/Fact Check classifies World Tribune as a Questionable Source. Just thought I'd let you know.

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE

A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency, and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact-checked on a per-article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-tribune/?amp=1

I might have just missed the article in the Lancet. If anybody finds it, then I will stand corrected.

 

[Irwin]

I tried to check out the article in the August 10 issue of the Lancet but I can't seem to find it.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/issue/vol394no10197/PIIS0140-6736(19)X0033-1

Then I checked the political bias of World Tribune. Media Bias/Fact Check classifies World Tribune as a Questionable Source. Just thought I'd let you know.

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE

A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency, and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact-checked on a per-article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-tribune/?amp=1

I might have just missed the article in the Lancet. If anybody finds it, then I will stand corrected.

I posted this in another thread, but it needs to go here, too.

Fact Check-Study did not find vaccinated healthcare workers carry 251 times the viral load of those who were unvaccinated

The paper does not conclude that fully vaccinated healthcare workers carry 251 times the viral load of the virus compared to unvaccinated healthcare workers. Rather, it concludes that “viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...-of-those-who-were-unvaccinated-idUSL1N2PX1HH

 

[Jennina]

After that, I’m not sure....... there’s no light at the end of my tunnel I’m afraid

No, no, no. Don't say that. You're gonna make me cry. I know what it's like to care for a loved one who's housebound. Stay strong. And don't forget to look after yourself too. Hope you and your husband have a great weekend. Keep safe.

 

[Butterfly]

Here's a story about an antivaxxer who killed her 15 month old child, to save it, I guess. She also stabbed her teenage daughter and her husband.

A Northwest Miami-Dade woman accused of stabbing her husband and teenage child also submerged her infant daughter in a bathtub during a bizarre baptism while screaming about Jesus and worrying that COVID-19 was coming to kill her family, according to multiple law enforcement sources.​

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article253698788.html​

Lots of crazies out there

 

[Shero]

I did try to avoid this thread, but feel I must make one point. To those who think the covid vaccines were manufactured too fast, you must not be aware that the blueprint of many vaccines especially the sars virus is already available.

 

[mellowyellow]

The number of daily new cases in Sydney reached 1,000 on Thursday for the first time since the pandemic began and tents have been set up outside Westmead and Blacktown hospitals to cope with screening and swabbing patients. Westmead hospital will stop taking covid patients arriving in ambulances for 24 hours. It’s a total mess. Majority of patients on ventilators are not vaccinated.

 

[Ladybj]

I agree!

It's still being argued that 20-30 years ago doctors started over-prescribing antibiotics, ruining kids' immune systems. I never filled those Rx's for my kids. If they'd ever gotten sick enough to need antibiotics, I took them to the hospital. My youngest son got an infection in his knee when he was 5....inside, in the joint. Spent 4 days in hospital. But otherwise, for colds and stuff, they rested at home, got fluids and ate gramma's chicken soup, and were outside playing in a day or two.

I remember my mom use to fix us hot lemonade when we had colds. Rubbed us down with Vicks vapor rub when we had chest colds, fever. Those old remedies worked wonders. I am still pro old remedies. Chicken broth, Chicken noodle soup, Ginger ale when feeling sick, Hot toddy for colds - does wonders, etc. All these pharmaceutical meds are not the greatest cure. However, everyone do what is best for them. Hubby reach for Pepto Bismol, I reach for Ginger for upset tummy. Hubby reach for Dayquil for sniffles/cold - I reach for Hot toddy. Everyone do what is best for them.

 

[Ladybj]

I heard that one of the side effects that may not show up until years after being vaccinated is living not only a longer life but also living a life with fewer aches and pains in it. I wish I could share the article link with you but I can't remember where I saw it.

I guess that we might just have to wait years and years to find out for sure but for right now it seems to be working pretty well at preventing the spread of infection than before there was a vaccine. I, for one, think that that presently is remarkable.

Since my hubby took the vaccine - months later he is starting to lose weight. Not blaming it on the vaccine but nothing else in his life changed. He is a bit concerned because he is not trying to lose weight. When he went to his last dr appt he thought he gained a few pounds - so did I due to his eating habits...but he is losing weight. Again, not blaming it on the vaccine but there has not been any other changes.

 

[Ladybj]

I feel there will be huge problems with the after affects of the vaccines in years to come
It started with just vaccinating the over 80s , well fair enough, but vaccinating under 18s now....this is joke.........it was too quick to get a vaccination ready for use , How long ? 2 months .....!!........we won’t be having it here.........

Now pregnant women and possibly babies. Everyone do what is best for them and their family. Thank goodness my children are grown and can make their own decisions.

 

[Warrigal]

I found this interesting:
Scientists: Fully vaccinated carry 251 times the Covid viral load as unvaccinated
https://www.worldtribune.com/scient...1-times-the-covid-viral-load-as-unvaccinated/

Quick snippet:
"The researchers, who detailed their findings in a paper by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, found that while the jab moderates symptoms of infection, it also allows vaccinated individuals to carry unusually high viral loads without becoming ill at first, potentially transforming them into pre-symptomatic superspreaders."

I see that I am not the only fact checker on this forum. Although this is now a duplication I will post it anyway because this is something that deserves emphatic debunking.

I saw this claim on another forum and followed the link to the study. The extract at the beginning of the paper made it very clear to me that this characterisation of the findings is false. The study compares break though infections after vaccination for the Delta variant and a previous strain of SARS-CoV-2. It did not involve unvaccinated people who caught the disease.

Reuters fact check also looked at the study

Fact Check-Study did not find vaccinated healthcare workers carry 251 times the viral load of those who were unvaccinated

By Reuters Fact Check
5 MIN READ

Social media users are sharing articles that discuss a study examining the transmission of the Delta variant of COVID-19 and falsely claiming the study found that fully vaccinated healthcare workers carry 251 times the viral load compared of those who are unvaccinated.

Many of the posts share an article (archive.ph/ltWYz) posted by the anti-vaccine campaign group Children’s Health Defense on Aug. 23, 2021 with the headline: “Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load, Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients, Co-Workers.” The subheading says the study found that “vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated.”

This, however, was not the premise of the study. Rather, it sought to compare viral loads among workers with Delta variant vs previous variants of SARS-CoV-2.

The study discussed in the article is visible here as a preprint, which is an early-stage research paper that has not yet been peer-reviewed.

The paper examines breakthrough infections in healthcare workers in Vietnam, all of whom contracted the Delta variant after receiving the Oxford-AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine.
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The paper does not conclude that fully vaccinated healthcare workers carry 251 times the viral load of the virus compared to unvaccinated healthcare workers. Rather, it concludes that “viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020.”

There is more for those interested here - Fact Check-Study did not find vaccinated healthcare workers carry 251 times the viral load of those who were unvaccinated | Reuters

 

[Ladybj]

I NEVER believe anything on CNN. Interestingly, the Conav-19 cases in hospitals have gone up to over 4,000 a week in our State. The interesting & what Dr's are trying to figure out. People that GOT both shots after 4 months or so they end up in the hospitals. They have beds in the halls. Not real bad cases of Conav-19 but they have breathing problems enough to put them in the hospitals.

I can attest to this as I got my shot in January. 4 months later I was in the hospital with Conav-19. They are trying to find out what's in the shots that are making people sick after 4 months.

So sorry to hear you got sick. After 4 months of getting the vaccine my hubby is losing weight and is not trying to. We both are a bit concerned. I am not blaming it on the vaccine but not ruling it out.

 

[Warrigal]

So sorry to hear you got sick. After 4 months of getting the vaccine my hubby is losing weight and is not trying to. We both are a bit concerned. I am not blaming it on the vaccine but not ruling it out.

See a doctor ASAP. Unexplained weight loss is a worry.

 

[Ladybj]

See a doctor ASAP. Unexplained weight loss is a worry.

He is seeing a doctor. Not going into details. Thank you.

 

[Murrmurr]

Since my hubby took the vaccine - months later he is starting to lose weight. Not blaming it on the vaccine but nothing else in his life changed. He is a bit concerned because he is not trying to lose weight. When he went to his last dr appt he thought he gained a few pounds - so did I due to his eating habits...but he is losing weight. Again, not blaming it on the vaccine but there has not been any other changes.

Me too! I've just had no appetite for several months, and your post made me realize that started soon after I was vaccinated. I lost almost 15 pounds. I've gained back almost 10 pounds, but only because my wife makes sure I eat. My weight still goes up and down 5 to 8 pounds a month. I just hardly ever feel hungry....maybe a few times a month I do.

 

[Irwin]

I too have lost weight, but I think that's more because for the past two months, I've been doing all the cooking.

 

[win231]

He is seeing a doctor. Not going into details. Thank you.

They'll likely check his FG (fasting glucose) on several days.